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Should the A-Train make a one way trip out of town?
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Should the A-Train make a one way trip out of town?
We all know the value of Volchenkov and what he brings to the table as Sens fans. What is that worth? Is it worth more to the Senators as a member of our Defense core or as a trade-able asset?
Lets be honest here. Based on the Senators performance so far this season it does not look like a playoff bound team. Sure we currently hold down a playoff spot with games in hand but, based on our winning percentage spread over the full season we can expect to miss the playoffs this year unless there is a bit of a turn around over then next month or two. Even if we make the playoffs does anyone really believe we'll make some noise this season?
I can't tell you what will happen and can only give you my opinion on the situation. I would personally hate to see Volchenkov go but he is a very valuable asset that could bring back pieces that are sorely missed in the prospect cupboard. There is very little in the way of true top end first line forward talent in the Senators system right now and I believe that a playoff team, looking for that last key piece, would be willing to give that up for a shot this year in a trade for Volchenkov.
Assuming we hold onto Volchenkov he will likely be signed for at least 4 years for somewhere around 4 Million per season. That cap hit plus his roster spot will handcuff the Senators somewhat. Our D with Volchenkov.
Phillips - Volchenkov
Kuba - Karlsson
Cowen - Carkner
What do we do with Lee, Campoli & Picard. You can make Lee or Carkner your 7th D but then you still have Campoli and Picard to deal with. Then in a couple years you'll also have Wiercioch looking for a roster spot. You could manage by not re-signing Kuba I suppose.
Now if you move Volchenkov and get that Blue chip forward you save a big chunk on the Cap and you've got a guy that could come in either next season or the season after and step right into the top 6 without missing a beat most likely. Then you have a D that looks more like this or some variation of this.
Kuba - Karlsson
Phillips - Campoli/Picard
Cowen - Lee
7th D - Carkner
In this scenario you only have one D man to decide on whether to trade or walk away from. Will it be Picard or Campoli? You also have a very good and very cheap D core for the next few years. Just enough time to make a real run at the Cup.
Lets be honest here. Based on the Senators performance so far this season it does not look like a playoff bound team. Sure we currently hold down a playoff spot with games in hand but, based on our winning percentage spread over the full season we can expect to miss the playoffs this year unless there is a bit of a turn around over then next month or two. Even if we make the playoffs does anyone really believe we'll make some noise this season?
I can't tell you what will happen and can only give you my opinion on the situation. I would personally hate to see Volchenkov go but he is a very valuable asset that could bring back pieces that are sorely missed in the prospect cupboard. There is very little in the way of true top end first line forward talent in the Senators system right now and I believe that a playoff team, looking for that last key piece, would be willing to give that up for a shot this year in a trade for Volchenkov.
Assuming we hold onto Volchenkov he will likely be signed for at least 4 years for somewhere around 4 Million per season. That cap hit plus his roster spot will handcuff the Senators somewhat. Our D with Volchenkov.
Phillips - Volchenkov
Kuba - Karlsson
Cowen - Carkner
What do we do with Lee, Campoli & Picard. You can make Lee or Carkner your 7th D but then you still have Campoli and Picard to deal with. Then in a couple years you'll also have Wiercioch looking for a roster spot. You could manage by not re-signing Kuba I suppose.
Now if you move Volchenkov and get that Blue chip forward you save a big chunk on the Cap and you've got a guy that could come in either next season or the season after and step right into the top 6 without missing a beat most likely. Then you have a D that looks more like this or some variation of this.
Kuba - Karlsson
Phillips - Campoli/Picard
Cowen - Lee
7th D - Carkner
In this scenario you only have one D man to decide on whether to trade or walk away from. Will it be Picard or Campoli? You also have a very good and very cheap D core for the next few years. Just enough time to make a real run at the Cup.
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Re: Should the A-Train make a one way trip out of town?
on Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:45 pm by hemlock
asq2 wrote:That talk seems perfectly ridiculous to me.
It's like we're hellbent on spending $50 million on our forwards, all else be damned.
Down the line I'd much rather have a $7 million centreman (who we've already got), and a $5-6 million D-man and goaltender (who we could potentially have).
I don't like the idea of taking on a massive contract at any position right now, unless his name is Weber, Kopitar or someone of that stature. I'd much rather grow our own superstars. Every successful team has balance and to do that in todays NHL that means having value contracts. The best way to do that, is to grow your own.
I'm perfectly happy to wait for the 3 horses on D, and Lehner and whomever else. Sure, I'd love to see Alfie win one, but we just don't have the kind of great young players on value contracts to have a championship calibre team....yet.
on Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:59 pm by SpezDispenser
hemlock wrote:
Down the line I'd much rather have a $7 million centreman (who we've already got), and a $5-6 million D-man and goaltender (who we could potentially have).
I don't like the idea of taking on a massive contract at any position right now, unless his name is Weber, Kopitar or someone of that stature. I'd much rather grow our own superstars. Every successful team has balance and to do that in todays NHL that means having value contracts. The best way to do that, is to grow your own.
I'm perfectly happy to wait for the 3 horses on D, and Lehner and whomever else. Sure, I'd love to see Alfie win one, but we just don't have the kind of great young players on value contracts to have a championship calibre team....yet.
Yeah, that sums it up pretty well.
on Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:06 pm by asq2
I don't think we're close to being a contender either. But trying to be one (within reason) is IMO better than tanking when you've got a player who means as much to your franchise as Alfredsson playing out his last few years.
There are other benefits to keeping Volchenkov as well IMO. You can develop more of a culture of winning, and equip both Karlsson and Cowen with experienced partners.
There are other benefits to keeping Volchenkov as well IMO. You can develop more of a culture of winning, and equip both Karlsson and Cowen with experienced partners.
on Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:20 am by Cap'n Clutch
Chances are quite good that if A-Train stays he'll be paired with Phillips so in fact if he leaves there is a better chance of Karlsson and Cowen being paired with Kuba and Phillips giving you the experienced partners you want them with.
on Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:10 am by Kovalfie
Gohan wrote:Cap'n Clutch wrote:To be perfectly honest if we're not contenders I'd prefer to take the Pittsburgh Penguins route to success by sucking arse for 2 or 3 years and picking up players in the draft that are close to the calibre of Malkin, Crosby and J. Staal. I do realize that will never happen here in Ottawa so lets keep on tinkering and tweaking in hopes of the right mix.
People often overlook or disregard what Murray wants here. It's about the fan base and the owner, too, but the man building the roster is in his twilight and is undoubtedly looking for some immediate success. Asq mentioned doing what's right by Alfie, and that fits quite well with our GM, who is in a very similar situation as the Captain. The remaining timeline for Alfie's playing career likely mirrors the remaining timeline Murray's managerial career.
We all want what's best for the team in the long-term, but a full-scale rebuild will not happen so long as Murray is at the helm. Hopefully they do find that right mix at some point during that timeline.You'd get no objections from me.
In 2011-12 Kovalev, Cheechoo, Ruuttu, Phillips, and Leclaire all come off the books equalling $15.6 million of cap. Ottawa will likely keep Phillips and Leclaire for similar deals that they are making now. Remove those two from the list and we're left with $9.3 million of empty cap space with our top line and Fisher signed.
As for the RFAs for the 2010-11 season, I don't expect anyone to get a significant raise (Foligno, Winnie, Regin, Lee likely being the only ones who get re-signed), while Shannon, and Donovan will go to free agency, and Volcheknov a wildcard with the prospects coming through the system.
Factor that in with the fact that the cap will likely going up for the next two years, and Ottawa to make a few salary dumping moves because of their depth (Picard, Campoli, at the trade deadline, maybe Kelly) and they will most likely have $12-15 to spend on free agents.
I don't think Ottawa ever does a complete re-build but I think this would be their best chance to overhaul the team. The development of their young defencemen should go a long way with Kuba and Phillips mentoring Lee, Karlsson, Wiercioch, Cowen, and Carkner, guys like Smith and O'Brien will likely get their shots to stay up with the team, and Regin and Foligno hit their strides by then. Ottawa can sign two top-six forwards and/or a vet defenceman and I think we're back in contention. Unfortunately it's looking like it might be a bad year UFA-wise with Chara, and Thronton headlining the pack but not much else.
Michalek-Spezza-Alfredsson
Richards-Backes-Fisher
Foligno-Regin-Z.Smith
O'Brien-Winnie-Neil
Phillips-Karlsson
Cowen-Kuba
Wiercioch-Lee
Carkner
on Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:08 pm by Cap'n Clutch
Our record is looking pretty nice despite the absence of A-Train. Anyone re-thinking there stance?
on Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:09 pm by SpezDispenser
Not me personally. I think we need him as badly as ever. Nothing like having a team on a roll and adding one of the premiere heart and soul warriors to it. Re-sign him just so I can see him and Cowen take some shifts together. Or him and Wiercioch. 
on Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:17 pm by asq2
Kovalfie wrote:Phillips-Karlsson
Cowen-Kuba
Wiercioch-Lee
Carkner
OK, so here you've got:
3 rookies, two of whom will have just turned professional
A sophomore in Carkner
A player in Lee who has yet to stay the whole year on an NHL roster.
How on earth do you expect to do anything with a blue-line like that?
on Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:18 pm by Cap'n Clutch
asq2 wrote:Kovalfie wrote:Phillips-Karlsson
Cowen-Kuba
Wiercioch-Lee
Carkner
OK, so here you've got:
3 rookies, two of whom will have just turned professional
A sophomore in Carkner
A player in Lee who has yet to stay the whole year on an NHL roster.
How on earth do you expect to do anything with a blue-line like that?
In 2012/13 or 2013/14 it'll look quite nice though
on Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:22 pm by Guest
I am not sure we want to solve our problems with Campoli and Picard by losing Volchenkov. It doesn't make sense.
I would much rather hire Tonya Harding and Jeff Goofoolie to take out Picard and Campoli. LTIR and no cap hit. win - win!
I would much rather hire Tonya Harding and Jeff Goofoolie to take out Picard and Campoli. LTIR and no cap hit. win - win!
on Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:27 pm by Guest
I want A train resigned in a big way, but I can see it going the other way, that was my only point when this conversation was brought up. IMO the ideal blueline next year will look like this.
A Train/Phillips
Karlsson/Kuba
Carkner/Cowen
Lee
A Train/Phillips
Karlsson/Kuba
Carkner/Cowen
Lee
on Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:30 pm by asq2
Cap'n Clutch wrote:asq2 wrote:Kovalfie wrote:Phillips-Karlsson
Cowen-Kuba
Wiercioch-Lee
Carkner
OK, so here you've got:
3 rookies, two of whom will have just turned professional
A sophomore in Carkner
A player in Lee who has yet to stay the whole year on an NHL roster.
How on earth do you expect to do anything with a blue-line like that?
In 2012/13 or 2013/14 it'll look quite nice though
It'll look better, sure, but Karlsson and Wiercioch will only be 23 and Cowen 22. I think that's probably the absolute earliest we should hope for them to start comprising a top-3.
At that point, Phillips will be 35, Kuba 36 and probably long gone, whereas Volchenkov will only be 31.
on Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:32 pm by Guest
You need to insolate Karlsson and Cowen next year. I think you really have to keep those vets around but you also cant resgined A Train for 4 mil plus. Phillips money should be good enough for A Train.
on Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:38 pm by asq2
Absolutely, I'm not advocating re-signing Volchenkov for $6 million+.
But IMHO, the ideal situation for this team is that Volchie gets re-signed.
But IMHO, the ideal situation for this team is that Volchie gets re-signed.
on Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:43 pm by Guest
asq2 wrote:Absolutely, I'm not advocating re-signing Volchenkov for $6 million+.
But IMHO, the ideal situation for this team is that Volchie gets re-signed.
I do too but like I said before, a lot of circumstances and situations can arise. We'll see where The Sens are in a month or two because I think that will be the telling factor.
on Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:49 pm by Dash
Ottawa's making the playoffs this year, no way he is moved, at least not during the season. They will try to re-sign him, if not by the draft, he might get moved. But he might just walk.
on Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:53 pm by Guest
Dash wrote:Ottawa's making the playoffs this year, no way he is moved, at least not during the season. They will try to re-sign him, if not by the draft, he might get moved. But he might just walk.
Relax, we'll see how the road trip goes, then people can start to talk about the playoffs.
on Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:59 pm by Kovalfie
N4L wrote:Dash wrote:Ottawa's making the playoffs this year, no way he is moved, at least not during the season. They will try to re-sign him, if not by the draft, he might get moved. But he might just walk.
Relax, we'll see how the road trip goes, then people can start to talk about the playoffs.
Agreed. Please don't start speculating that we are going to make the playoffs this early in the season. Before assuming we are going to make the playoffs, consider things like: how many one goal games we've won, our PP is amongst the league's worst, our PK is slipping into mediocrity, our starting goalie is injured for a month, our star player has two goals, we've played 16 of 23 games at home, and we're in arguably the worst division in hockey . A couple of bounces the other way and we could easily be 7-13-3.
Wait until the end of this Western road trip and see where we sit. We win 3 of 5 (including a win against the Bruins) and then maybe we can conclude where the Sens fit in around the league.
on Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:06 pm by Guest
500 on that road trip and I would be extremely happy. They walk away with 5 of 10 points, then I will be way more optimistic.
on Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:18 pm by Cap'n Clutch
Kovalfie wrote:N4L wrote:Dash wrote:Ottawa's making the playoffs this year, no way he is moved, at least not during the season. They will try to re-sign him, if not by the draft, he might get moved. But he might just walk.
Relax, we'll see how the road trip goes, then people can start to talk about the playoffs.
Agreed. Please don't start speculating that we are going to make the playoffs this early in the season. Before assuming we are going to make the playoffs, consider things like: how many one goal games we've won, our PP is amongst the league's worst, our PK is slipping into mediocrity, our starting goalie is injured for a month, our star player has two goals, we've played 16 of 23 games at home, and we're in arguably the worst division in hockey . A couple of bounces the other way and we could easily be 7-13-3.
Wait until the end of this Western road trip and see where we sit. We win 3 of 5 (including a win against the Bruins) and then maybe we can conclude where the Sens fit in around the league.
Since you brought it up. How many 1 goal games have we won? I was under the impression we have done quite well in that area actually. I know why I thought we were doing well in one goal games:
8-1-3 Only one regulation loss in one goal games. 19 of a possible 24 points. Got that area covered at least. I'm definitely not saying we are making the playoffs but 1 goal games are not an issue at this stage of the season for sure.
Edit: Our PK is slipping into mediocrity??? Have you been following the Sens? They slipped to 15th and fixed that in short order to bounce all the way back to 5th overall.
on Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:47 pm by ddt
Sorry to be joining in so late in the discussion, but I saw a point being mentioned a few times that bears expanding on. A new contract for Volchenkov will mean a shift of what's expected from him. I think he'll be expected to be a leader and a mentor to younger players, kind of like what Phillips has been doing for a while. And that means no longer having the security blanket of playing with Phillips.
With that in mind, I think it would be valuable to split them up at some point this season, to see if that is something we can get from him, prior to signing any new deal.
With that in mind, I think it would be valuable to split them up at some point this season, to see if that is something we can get from him, prior to signing any new deal.
on Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:25 am by Kovalfie
Cap'n Clutch wrote:Kovalfie wrote:N4L wrote:Dash wrote:Ottawa's making the playoffs this year, no way he is moved, at least not during the season. They will try to re-sign him, if not by the draft, he might get moved. But he might just walk.
Relax, we'll see how the road trip goes, then people can start to talk about the playoffs.
Agreed. Please don't start speculating that we are going to make the playoffs this early in the season. Before assuming we are going to make the playoffs, consider things like: how many one goal games we've won, our PP is amongst the league's worst, our PK is slipping into mediocrity, our starting goalie is injured for a month, our star player has two goals, we've played 16 of 23 games at home, and we're in arguably the worst division in hockey . A couple of bounces the other way and we could easily be 7-13-3.
Wait until the end of this Western road trip and see where we sit. We win 3 of 5 (including a win against the Bruins) and then maybe we can conclude where the Sens fit in around the league.
Since you brought it up. How many 1 goal games have we won? I was under the impression we have done quite well in that area actually. I know why I thought we were doing well in one goal games:
8-1-3 Only one regulation loss in one goal games. 19 of a possible 24 points. Got that area covered at least. I'm definitely not saying we are making the playoffs but 1 goal games are not an issue at this stage of the season for sure.
Edit: Our PK is slipping into mediocrity??? Have you been following the Sens? They slipped to 15th and fixed that in short order to bounce all the way back to 5th overall.
That's exactly my point.8-1-3 in one goal games. We're winning them now but a bounce here and there could easily have us losing those one-goal games. What I'm getting at is yes we're winning games, but we're not blowing anybody out. We're narrowly winning the games we're supposed to win (the majority of our one-goal games) like twice against the leafs for example. Once we start winning these games by 2+ goals i'll feel a lot more comfortable
on Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:42 am by wprager
I'd rather be 8-1-3 in 1-goal games than be 5-4-3 or worse. We used to blow teams away when we had the best 1st line in the league, but when that line was not going for whatever reason we were losing a lot of 1-goal games. I really, really like our scoring depth this year. Fisher, Michalek, Alfie and we haven't gotten significant production from Spezza or Kovalev (IMO). Neil, Foligno, Ruutu, Regin are all tertiary scorers and they are all on pace for 10+ goals. Phillips' 2-goal outburst aside, if we start getting productin from the back-end we could be lethal. Seriously. Karlsson to the rescue?
on Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:04 am by Cap'n Clutch
Exactly Prages. Having that record in 1 goal games is a good thing.
on Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:21 pm by marakh
Kovalfie wrote:N4L wrote:Dash wrote:Ottawa's making the playoffs this year, no way he is moved, at least not during the season. They will try to re-sign him, if not by the draft, he might get moved. But he might just walk.
Relax, we'll see how the road trip goes, then people can start to talk about the playoffs.
Agreed. Please don't start speculating that we are going to make the playoffs this early in the season. Before assuming we are going to make the playoffs, consider things like: how many one goal games we've won, our PP is amongst the league's worst, our PK is slipping into mediocrity, our starting goalie is injured for a month, our star player has two goals, we've played 16 of 23 games at home, and we're in arguably the worst division in hockey . A couple of bounces the other way and we could easily be 7-13-3.
Wait until the end of this Western road trip and see where we sit. We win 3 of 5 (including a win against the Bruins) and then maybe we can conclude where the Sens fit in around the league.
And how many one goal games did we lose? That works the other way too, you know
1st game against the Rangers, Pitts, Boston, NJ, those were all winnable games, that's 4 wins right there... Add the games with some horrendous referring too, and IMO it evens pretty well.
on Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:14 am by Kovalfie
Ottawa is not looking like a playoff team right now.
0-2-1 on current road trip. Should be 0-3 (lucky to get that point from Boston). Outscored 11-5 in the last two games. And you can't really use the Leclaire injury as an excuse. New Jersey and Vancouver both survived last year with their goalies being out a lot longer than Leclaire and management should have planned for this given Leclaire's laundry-list and history of injuries.
They need to win in Phoenix and Anaheim to save face. It's not the fact that they're 0-2-1, it's the fact that they've been blown out in both their regulation losses by faster skating, harder hitting teams, and harder working teams.
0-2-1 on current road trip. Should be 0-3 (lucky to get that point from Boston). Outscored 11-5 in the last two games. And you can't really use the Leclaire injury as an excuse. New Jersey and Vancouver both survived last year with their goalies being out a lot longer than Leclaire and management should have planned for this given Leclaire's laundry-list and history of injuries.
They need to win in Phoenix and Anaheim to save face. It's not the fact that they're 0-2-1, it's the fact that they've been blown out in both their regulation losses by faster skating, harder hitting teams, and harder working teams.
on Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:18 am by Kovalfie
Cap'n Clutch wrote:Exactly Prages. Having that record in 1 goal games is a good thing.
Oh I agree. Having an 8-1-3 record in one-goal games is a fantastic thing. I'm just saying I'd feel a lot more comfortable winning goals by 2+ goals, especially against teams like Toronto. All I'm saying is a bounce or post here and there the other way and we could easily be on the outside looking in.
on Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:02 am by Guest
Kovalfie wrote:Ottawa is not looking like a playoff team right now.
0-2-1 on current road trip. Should be 0-3 (lucky to get that point from Boston). Outscored 11-5 in the last two games. And you can't really use the Leclaire injury as an excuse. New Jersey and Vancouver both survived last year with their goalies being out a lot longer than Leclaire and management should have planned for this given Leclaire's laundry-list and history of injuries.
They need to win in Phoenix and Anaheim to save face. It's not the fact that they're 0-2-1, it's the fact that they've been blown out in both their regulation losses by faster skating, harder hitting teams, and harder working teams.
How didnt they? Elliott has been solid and IMO been the reason The Sens (on the road) are kept in most games, Florida and Boston jump right to mind.
on Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:20 am by Kovalfie
N4L wrote:Kovalfie wrote:Ottawa is not looking like a playoff team right now.
0-2-1 on current road trip. Should be 0-3 (lucky to get that point from Boston). Outscored 11-5 in the last two games. And you can't really use the Leclaire injury as an excuse. New Jersey and Vancouver both survived last year with their goalies being out a lot longer than Leclaire and management should have planned for this given Leclaire's laundry-list and history of injuries.
They need to win in Phoenix and Anaheim to save face. It's not the fact that they're 0-2-1, it's the fact that they've been blown out in both their regulation losses by faster skating, harder hitting teams, and harder working teams.
How didnt they? Elliott has been solid and IMO been the reason The Sens (on the road) are kept in most games, Florida and Boston jump right to mind.
That's just it. People on GM are jumping all over Elliott for stopping only 18 of 24 shots and calling for Mike Brodeur to play. It's ridiculous. Elliott has played well enought to keep his team in the games, especially considering he is probably still injured from taking that shot off of his shoulder in practice. None of the goals he let up last night were his fault. Ottawa has way too many holes and doing patch-work won't fix anything. Ottawa is where they should be in the standings; 7th place fighting for their playoff lives.
on Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:23 am by Guest
Yuuuup, if they lose one more in regulation it was a disater of a road trip getting MAX 3 of 10 points and the schedual only gets harder from here as well.
Like I said, The Sens season will be decided by Christmas (give or take) and right now it's looking like they better start selling off some pieces at some point. A Train in the short term and they better get Spezza out of town before next year because he has just been an epic failure since signing his big deal.
Like I said, The Sens season will be decided by Christmas (give or take) and right now it's looking like they better start selling off some pieces at some point. A Train in the short term and they better get Spezza out of town before next year because he has just been an epic failure since signing his big deal.
on Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:48 am by Kovalfie
I can only see three teams being legitimately interested in Spezza: Edmonton, Florida, Colorado, and Columbus, but neither has a legit #1 center coming back.
I would consider the following more than a lot for Spezza: Edmonton: Cogliano, O'Marra, Edm 1st
Columbus: Brassard, Columbus 1st
Florida: Horton, Frolik, Ellerby
I would consider the following more than a lot for Spezza: Edmonton: Cogliano, O'Marra, Edm 1st
Columbus: Brassard, Columbus 1st
Florida: Horton, Frolik, Ellerby
on Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:54 am by Guest
I dont think Columbus would have any intrest personally, no way does he fit in there. A Train? That's something I can see Columbus really wanting.
I can see Pheonix making a run at Spezza for Turris and Mueller say.
I can see Pheonix making a run at Spezza for Turris and Mueller say.
on Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:55 am by SeawaySensFan
N4L wrote:I dont think Columbus would have any intrest personally, no way does he fit in there. A Train? That's something I can see Columbus really wanting.
I can see Pheonix making a run at Spezza for Turris and Mueller say.
After losing so convincingly to the universally-hate Leafs, I think they would be more interest than ever.
on Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:57 am by Guest
Maybe, I def could be wrong here and about Columbus, I just dont see it personally.
on Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:59 am by Hoags
I'm weary of trading A-train, not sure we'll get someone back who will the big defensive hole we'll have with him gone.
I do not want to lose him as a FA, Redden, Chara ... it has to stop.
I do not want to lose him as a FA, Redden, Chara ... it has to stop.
on Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:02 pm by RobbyJ
Kovalfie wrote:I can only see three teams being legitimately interested in Spezza: Edmonton, Florida, Colorado, and Columbus, but neither has a legit #1 center coming back.
I would consider the following more than a lot for Spezza: Edmonton: Cogliano, O'Marra, Edm 1st
Columbus: Brassard, Columbus 1st
Florida: Horton, Frolik, Ellerby
Cogliano, O'Marra, Edm 1st - Cogs is average, O'Mara is garbage, 1st is good. Not enough salary coming back.
Brassard, Columbus 1st - I can't see Columbus as a fit.
Horton, Frolik, Ellerby - Way too much to give up for Florida. Salaries don't match.
A team no one has mentionned that looks like a good fit to me is Minnesota.
They have space and a need.
Forget about getting Brent Burns.
on Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:03 pm by Guest
Hoags wrote:I'm weary of trading A-train, not sure we'll get someone back who will the big defensive hole we'll have with him gone.
I do not want to lose him as a FA, Redden, Chara ... it has to stop.
Cowen will probably make his pitch in Ottawa next year and if that's the plan, on a current non playoff team, you might have to deal him.
on Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:28 pm by Kovalfie
Hitchcock was singing Spezza's praises in the WHC last summer and what better way to rejuvenate his career with Huselius and Nash on his wings, not to mention they have the cap space and tons of assets to trade.
on Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:31 pm by Hoags
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I'm weary of expecting Cowen to step in and be effective right away. He might but it's a bit much to expect him to replace A-train right away. We need to be ready for him to go through Karlsson/Schenn-like growing pains.
Hoags wrote:
Cowen will probably make his pitch in Ottawa next year and if that's the plan, on a current non playoff team, you might have to deal him.
I'm weary of expecting Cowen to step in and be effective right away. He might but it's a bit much to expect him to replace A-train right away. We need to be ready for him to go through Karlsson/Schenn-like growing pains.
on Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:31 pm by Guest
Maybe... I jsut dont see it though. I dont think I would screw with that teams core, just the coach. I cant stand Hitch and I think he's probably one of the worst HEAD coaches around. The guy knows the game, but IMO, he doesnt know how to run a team unless it's decked out with vets...
maybe you guys have a point but I still woulnt screw with it.
maybe you guys have a point but I still woulnt screw with it.
on Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:47 pm by Kovalfie
N4L wrote:Hoags wrote:I'm weary of trading A-train, not sure we'll get someone back who will the big defensive hole we'll have with him gone.
I do not want to lose him as a FA, Redden, Chara ... it has to stop.
Cowen will probably make his pitch in Ottawa next year and if that's the plan, on a current non playoff team, you might have to deal him.
We'll have to see how Cowen and Wiercioch play at the WJHC. Could be very indicative of what Ottawa plans to do. Cowen dominates, Volchenkov could be as good as gone at the trade deadline.
on Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:55 pm by Guest
If Ottawa is out of the playoffs and The Sens can get a guy like Kyle Beech, you do it. Talk about the PERFECT player to learn from a Mike Fisher.
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