Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED)

I think it's a lateral trade at best. Kotalik gives them a PP specialist and Higgins has been good before but is playing in that mess in NY.

The Rangers pick up a center for Gaborik, although not much of one anymore judging his recent play. And Prust seems to be a throw in.

Weird Dung...

Jokinen seems to step it up every time he's dealt for some reason. He's an ideal rental, IMO.

Looks like Calgary has decided to emulate the Ottawa style ( ) of the mini rebuild by casting out the distractions and taking in an offence balanced across their lines.

McGrattan?

Nah, he's cleaned it up, very respectable.

The Rangers need to somehow move Drury and Redden and they would be in very good shape.

rooneypoo wrote:I don't mind trading Jokinen.... I just don't get taking Kotalik back in return.

CGY is panicking, big time. These are decisions that will hurt the franchise for years to come. When CGY goes out in round 1 or 2 this year, it will be Sutter's head.

How is that different from any other year?

What I just don't get is why Kotalik would block the trade? Who the hell would want to stay in NYR (the org, not the city)?

From DarrenDreger via Twitter:

no one seems to know why Calgary is stalling on the Jokinen trade. has a 3rd team surfaced?

PKC wrote:From DarrenDreger via Twitter:

no one seems to know why Calgary is stalling on the Jokinen trade. has a 3rd team surfaced?

Seems awfully swirly to me.

Is Sutter making a run at Kovalchuk ?

The deal is off for now. Jokinen will play tonight vs. Philly, possibly Prust as well, but it could be Grat's. Not sure if it is Calgary backing out, or Kotalik refusing to waive. Bob McK commented over on TSN via twitter.

SpezDispenser wrote:Does anyone think that because Kotalik was 'traded' (before it all went to Dung) - that there might actually be a market for Cheechoo?

I think there's a market for Cheechoo regardless.

SeawaySensFan wrote:
I think there's a market for Cheechoo regardless.

Perhaps in Europe ... where all washed NHLers go.

Either buying him out or getting rid of via re-entry waivers are the only 2 possibilities I see for us getting rid of him.

His effort and attitude aren't even in question ... he physically can't put up the numbers so there's no hope for a fresh start on another team. He is what he is now.

Hoags wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:
I think there's a market for Cheechoo regardless.

Perhaps in Europe ... where all washed NHLers go.

Either buying him out or getting rid of via re-entry waivers are the only 2 possibilities I see for us getting rid of him.

His effort and attitude aren't even in question ... he physically can't put up the numbers so there's no hope for a fresh start on another team. He is what he is now.

A playoff team that's looking for an extra physical presence and character would be foolish not to consider acquiring Cheechoo.

It's the following year after that has people not interested in him.

Rentals are normally pending free agents, because the team has no obligation to them after the season.

Cheechoo was a salary dump by SJ and is now Ottawa's problem.

SpezDispenser wrote:Word is Calgary is holding off on trade as long as Rangers are offering Gillroy. Calgary wants Hggins along w/ Kotalik for Jokinen/Prust
Strickland 1 minute ago from web

Gilroy over Higgins? Okay, that's great. Diddle man, Higgins is being flipped (with a ton of other things) for Kovalchuk for sure.

I'd make one of those "other things" Iggy, at this point. But I guess he has a no-move?

SpezDispenser wrote:Word is Calgary is holding off on trade as long as Rangers are offering Gillroy. Calgary wants Hggins along w/ Kotalik for Jokinen/Prust
Strickland 1 minute ago from web

Gilroy over Higgins? Okay, that's great. Diddle man, Higgins is being flipped (with a ton of other things) for Kovalchuk for sure.

What the hell is wrong with NY trying to trade a guy they just signed out of college? They just signed him April 17, not even a year ago.

I would never trade Iginla. Would Ottawa trade Alfredsson?

Maybe the guy that Calgary goes after is Vinny? Remember Higgins was a part of that trade, wasn't he?

Dash wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Word is Calgary is holding off on trade as long as Rangers are offering Gillroy. Calgary wants Hggins along w/ Kotalik for Jokinen/Prust
Strickland 1 minute ago from web

Gilroy over Higgins? Okay, that's great. Diddle man, Higgins is being flipped (with a ton of other things) for Kovalchuk for sure.

What the hell is wrong with NY trying to trade a guy they just signed out of college? They just signed him April 17, not even a year ago.

Glen Sather.

'nuff said.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Dash wrote:It's the following year after that has people not interested in him.

Rentals are normally pending free agents, because the team has no obligation to them after the season.

Cheechoo was a salary dump by SJ and is now Ottawa's problem.

However...Kotalik was part of a trade to Calgary and he has TWO more years at 3 million and is every bit the bust that Cheechoo is (more actually IMO). That changed the landscape a lot IMO.

Maybe Calgary wants him around? Or maybe he is going somewhere else? Or maybe it is just because Kotalik hates NY and wants out and Calgary has to take him?

Dash wrote:I would never trade Iginla. Would Ottawa trade Alfredsson?

Maybe the guy that Calgary goes after is Vinny? Remember Higgins was a part of that trade, wasn't he?

I'm not you and you're not Ottawa.

You're right, though. It's tough to believe that CGY thinks Stajan is the Center of their dreams.

SpezzD already mentioned it but I just can't believe there's a trade market for Kotalik.

When he signed in the summer I orginally misread the report and thought he had signed for 3 years at 1 milllion per -- I thought that was too much.

For 3 million dollars this guy is wayyy to 1 dimensional.

Sutter has lost his mind.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Dash wrote:I would never trade Iginla. Would Ottawa trade Alfredsson?

Maybe the guy that Calgary goes after is Vinny? Remember Higgins was a part of that trade, wasn't he?

I'm not you and you're not Ottawa.

You're right, though. It's tough to believe that CGY thinks Stajan is the Center of their dreams.

Joke-inen has zero chemistry with Iginla though. They've tried all sorts of wingers with them and nothing is working. It's clearly a chemistry issue between the two of them. If they can move Olli and bring in the required pieces for Kovalchuk, then it doesn't matter who's at centre between those two. You could put Gordie Howe there (and he's 112 years old) he'd produce.

SDH89 wrote:SpezzD already mentioned it but I just can't believe there's a trade market for Kotalik.

When he signed in the summer I orginally misread the report and thought he had signed for 3 years at 1 milllion per -- I thought that was too much.

For 3 million dollars this guy is wayyy to 1 dimensional.

Sutter has lost his mind.

And that one dimension is playing the point on the PP. That's not saying much for a forward.

hemlock wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Dash wrote:I would never trade Iginla. Would Ottawa trade Alfredsson?

Maybe the guy that Calgary goes after is Vinny? Remember Higgins was a part of that trade, wasn't he?

I'm not you and you're not Ottawa.

You're right, though. It's tough to believe that CGY thinks Stajan is the Center of their dreams.

Joke-inen has zero chemistry with Iginla though. They've tried all sorts of wingers with them and nothing is working. It's clearly a chemistry issue between the two of them. If they can move Olli and bring in the required pieces for Kovalchuk, then it doesn't matter who's at centre between those two. You could put Gordie Howe there (and he's 112 years old) he'd produce.

And Stajan does fancy himself a playmaker. Maybe that's it then.

There may be a team that would take Cheechoo, maybe not. Likely if they do it is because they are getting something really important and again Cheechoo is just a throw in.

I suspect if there was interest, SJ wouldn't have had such a difficult time moving him.

Back to Kotalik, I recall being pretty surprised by the signing. I thought it was a bad deal, too expensive, and I remember many people (maybe not here cause I couldn't find posts) disagreeing with me saying it was a great deal. I thought the Rangers should have just kept Zherdev, or at least given Grachev a serious shot. Guess I was right afterall. Must have been those smart fans over at TSN.

SpezDispenser wrote:I don't even really care about trade Cheechoo any more, I think he might be of use the rest of this year...but Murray has to at least make some calls now that Kotalik was 'traded'. If we could plug Whitney in Cheechoo's spot...well, that's more than a slight upgrade to say the least.

Nor do I. I firmly believe that he's an asset on a playoff team.

Funny you mention that, cause that's exactly what I did in NHL 10 Cheechoo for Whitney straight up.