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Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED)
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Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED)
Jokinen and Prust for Kotalik and Higgins.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=308527
There has to be more to this for the Flames than just these two deals. Are they going to be making a pitch for Lecavalier or Kovalchuk?
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=308527
There has to be more to this for the Flames than just these two deals. Are they going to be making a pitch for Lecavalier or Kovalchuk?
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Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED)
What the heck? That's a nice deal for the Rangers to be honest.
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Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED)
PS That should answer some more questions about Olli Jokinen and his character.
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Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED)
Yeah, I think the Rags win this, though Jokinen hasn't been much of a prize recently either.
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Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED)
This is a clear handsdown win for the Rangers. Dump some future cap for an upgrade at center, even if it is a slight upgrade
Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED)
What I don't understand is why the Flames would want Kotalik and his salary going forward when Jokinen's salary would be coming off the books. If he's that much of a disruption, put him on waivers and get rid of him, but to take on Kotalik's salary is a head scratcher. Also, Higgins has been a horrendous bust for the Rangers, why would the Flames be any different?
Odd, odd day for Sutter. He may have set himself up to be fired soon.
Odd, odd day for Sutter. He may have set himself up to be fired soon.
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Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED)
Time will tell...
For now I agree with you guys, this looks like a good deal for the Rags and Sutter may have just ended his own tenure as GM.
For now I agree with you guys, this looks like a good deal for the Rags and Sutter may have just ended his own tenure as GM.

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Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED)
To me it looks like Calgary is blaming their recent skid on the dirty laundry in the room. Well today they cleaned that laundry and got a bunch of mediocre players in return.
Let's see if this "team concept" will work. Personally, Calgary gave up a lot of talent and didn't get an abundance of it back.
Let's see if this "team concept" will work. Personally, Calgary gave up a lot of talent and didn't get an abundance of it back.

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Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED)
SDH89 wrote:To me it looks like Calgary is blaming their recent skid on the dirty laundry in the room. Well today they cleaned that laundry and got a bunch of mediocre players in return.
Let's see if this "team concept" will work. Personally, Calgary gave up a lot of talent and didn't get an abundance of it back.
That's an interesting theory to be honest. Jokinen is the black plague and Phaneuf was apparently they devil, so let's see what happens now. Everyone should remember this isn't knee-jerk, Sutter said he'd been working on the Phaneuf deal for 7-10 days, so Iginla knew all about it - and obviously gave it the thumbs up.
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Hold the phone, folks...rumour has it Kotalik won't waive his NTC.


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asq2 wrote:Hold the phone, folks...rumour has it Kotalik won't waive his NTC.![]()
OMG, that would be hilarious.
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asq2 wrote:Hold the phone, folks...rumour has it Kotalik won't waive his NTC.![]()
Sutter should be thankful that Kotalik isn't letting him shoot himself in the foot.
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asq2 wrote:Hold the phone, folks...rumour has it Kotalik won't waive his NTC.![]()


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RUNOUR (PER TSN): Jokinen + Prust (CGY) for Kotalik + Higgins (NYR)
This just in, kiddies...
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=308527
EK is also reporting it now, too:
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?blogger_id=1
I think Sutter has lost his mind a bit... holy desperation, Batman! Why would anyone trade for Kotalik's contract?
EDIT: Eep, I see asq2 got it already... my bad. Merge, mods!
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=308527
EK is also reporting it now, too:
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?blogger_id=1
I think Sutter has lost his mind a bit... holy desperation, Batman! Why would anyone trade for Kotalik's contract?
EDIT: Eep, I see asq2 got it already... my bad. Merge, mods!


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Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED)
I don't mind trading Jokinen.... I just don't get taking Kotalik back in return.
CGY is panicking, big time. These are decisions that will hurt the franchise for years to come. When CGY goes out in round 1 or 2 this year, it will be Sutter's head.
CGY is panicking, big time. These are decisions that will hurt the franchise for years to come. When CGY goes out in round 1 or 2 this year, it will be Sutter's head.

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Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED)
I think it's a lateral trade at best. Kotalik gives them a PP specialist and Higgins has been good before but is playing in that mess in NY.
The Rangers pick up a center for Gaborik, although not much of one anymore judging his recent play. And Prust seems to be a throw in.
Weird Dung...
The Rangers pick up a center for Gaborik, although not much of one anymore judging his recent play. And Prust seems to be a throw in.
Weird Dung...

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Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED)
Jokinen seems to step it up every time he's dealt for some reason. He's an ideal rental, IMO.

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Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED)
Looks like Calgary has decided to emulate the Ottawa style (
) of the mini rebuild by casting out the distractions and taking in an offence balanced across their lines.
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Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED)
McGrattan?
Nah, he's cleaned it up, very respectable.
The Rangers need to somehow move Drury and Redden and they would be in very good shape.
Nah, he's cleaned it up, very respectable.
The Rangers need to somehow move Drury and Redden and they would be in very good shape.
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Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED)
rooneypoo wrote:I don't mind trading Jokinen.... I just don't get taking Kotalik back in return.
CGY is panicking, big time. These are decisions that will hurt the franchise for years to come. When CGY goes out in round 1 or 2 this year, it will be Sutter's head.
How is that different from any other year?
What I just don't get is why Kotalik would block the trade? Who the hell would want to stay in NYR (the org, not the city)?

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Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED)
From DarrenDreger via Twitter:
no one seems to know why Calgary is stalling on the Jokinen trade. has a 3rd team surfaced?

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Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED)
PKC wrote:From DarrenDreger via Twitter:no one seems to know why Calgary is stalling on the Jokinen trade. has a 3rd team surfaced?
Seems awfully swirly to me.

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Bass Destruction wrote:Looks like Calgary has decided to emulate the Ottawa style () of the mini rebuild by casting out the distractions and taking in an offence balanced across their lines.
QFT.
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Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED)
PKC wrote:I think it's a lateral trade at best. Kotalik gives them a PP specialist and Higgins has been good before but is playing in that mess in NY.
The Rangers pick up a center for Gaborik, although not much of one anymore judging his recent play. And Prust seems to be a throw in.
Weird Dung...
Jokinen can't be a center for Gaborik though, he shoots all the time, never passes. At least that's the word from Calgary fans and the Phoenix fan. We'll see though, very, very weird Dung.
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If Kotalik blocked this trade...
With no word of a lie, he's Hartford's property.
With no word of a lie, he's Hartford's property.
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Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED)
Is Sutter making a run at Kovalchuk ?

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Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED)
The deal is off for now. Jokinen will play tonight vs. Philly, possibly Prust as well, but it could be Grat's. Not sure if it is Calgary backing out, or Kotalik refusing to waive. Bob McK commented over on TSN via twitter.
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Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED)
Hoags wrote:Is Sutter making a run at Kovalchuk ?
Until this happened I think he was. Waddell apparently like Higgins as one of the pieces. Whatever, just replace Kotalik with someone else and waive Kotalik.
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Dash wrote:The deal is off for now. Jokinen will play tonight vs. Philly, possibly Prust as well, but it could be Grat's. Not sure if it is Calgary backing out, or Kotalik refusing to waive. Bob McK commented over on TSN via twitter.
Unbelievable. Truly unreal, what happened there? The players were informed, everything looked like it was happening and they're playing tonight? Wow.
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Does anyone think that because Kotalik was 'traded' (before it all went to Dung) - that there might actually be a market for Cheechoo?
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SpezDispenser wrote:Does anyone think that because Kotalik was 'traded' (before it all went to Dung) - that there might actually be a market for Cheechoo?
I think there's a market for Cheechoo regardless.

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I think there's a market for Cheechoo regardless.
Then let's be fair. Cheechoo and Picard are probably gone. That's 4 million dollars, that's one fun pending-UFA winger. Not sure who, but let the speculation begin. As much as I
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I think there's a market for Cheechoo regardless.
Perhaps in Europe ... where all washed NHLers go.
Either buying him out or getting rid of via re-entry waivers are the only 2 possibilities I see for us getting rid of him.
His effort and attitude aren't even in question ... he physically can't put up the numbers so there's no hope for a fresh start on another team. He is what he is now.

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Hoags wrote:SeawaySensFan wrote:
I think there's a market for Cheechoo regardless.
Perhaps in Europe ... where all washed NHLers go.
Either buying him out or getting rid of via re-entry waivers are the only 2 possibilities I see for us getting rid of him.
His effort and attitude aren't even in question ... he physically can't put up the numbers so there's no hope for a fresh start on another team. He is what he is now.
A playoff team that's looking for an extra physical presence and character would be foolish not to consider acquiring Cheechoo.

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Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED)
Word is Calgary is holding off on trade as long as Rangers are offering Gillroy. Calgary wants Hggins along w/ Kotalik for Jokinen/Prust
Strickland 1 minute ago from web
Gilroy over Higgins? Okay, that's great. Diddle man, Higgins is being flipped (with a ton of other things) for Kovalchuk for sure.
Strickland 1 minute ago from web
Gilroy over Higgins? Okay, that's great. Diddle man, Higgins is being flipped (with a ton of other things) for Kovalchuk for sure.
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Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED)
It's the following year after that has people not interested in him.
Rentals are normally pending free agents, because the team has no obligation to them after the season.
Cheechoo was a salary dump by SJ and is now Ottawa's problem.
Rentals are normally pending free agents, because the team has no obligation to them after the season.
Cheechoo was a salary dump by SJ and is now Ottawa's problem.
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Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED)
SpezDispenser wrote:Word is Calgary is holding off on trade as long as Rangers are offering Gillroy. Calgary wants Hggins along w/ Kotalik for Jokinen/Prust
Strickland 1 minute ago from web
Gilroy over Higgins? Okay, that's great. Diddle man, Higgins is being flipped (with a ton of other things) for Kovalchuk for sure.
I'd make one of those "other things" Iggy, at this point. But I guess he has a no-move?

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SpezDispenser wrote:Word is Calgary is holding off on trade as long as Rangers are offering Gillroy. Calgary wants Hggins along w/ Kotalik for Jokinen/Prust
Strickland 1 minute ago from web
Gilroy over Higgins? Okay, that's great. Diddle man, Higgins is being flipped (with a ton of other things) for Kovalchuk for sure.
What the hell is wrong with NY trying to trade a guy they just signed out of college? They just signed him April 17, not even a year ago.
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Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED)
Dash wrote:It's the following year after that has people not interested in him.
Rentals are normally pending free agents, because the team has no obligation to them after the season.
Cheechoo was a salary dump by SJ and is now Ottawa's problem.
However...Kotalik was part of a trade to Calgary and he has TWO more years at 3 million and is every bit the bust that Cheechoo is (more actually IMO). That changed the landscape a lot IMO.
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I would never trade Iginla. Would Ottawa trade Alfredsson?
Maybe the guy that Calgary goes after is Vinny? Remember Higgins was a part of that trade, wasn't he?
Maybe the guy that Calgary goes after is Vinny? Remember Higgins was a part of that trade, wasn't he?
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