Bryan Murray Vs Dany Heatley: Who Blinks First?

davetherave wrote:

N4L wrote:So... sick... of this douche bag.

So N4L, who takes him off BM's hands? And what's the return? Realistically?

All I know is Murray will get what he wants, when and where he goes is anyones guess.

So as it stands La has no interest, The Wild have no interest and have made no connect with BM, The Sharks don't have what BM wants in return or won't give it up; The Rangers won't give up Dubinsky and Staal...concluding Heatley is not going anywhere.

Vancouver doesn't want him either.

Also on another note, any Kessel rumours are 150% false. Chiarelli will match any offer; meaning none will be made. The Bruins don't have to sign him until he's ready to go...thus saving a roster spot and can work the cap in their favor.

Lombardi's comments are pretty direct...

http://www.ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/2009/08/31/10682071.html

"baggage" "grows up" "risk" "it scares me"

Wow.

N4L wrote:

davetherave wrote:

N4L wrote:So... sick... of this douche bag.

So N4L, who takes him off BM's hands? And what's the return? Realistically?

All I know is Murray will get what he wants, when and where he goes is anyones guess.

Get ready for Cheechoo an Ottawa Senator, or else Dany Heatley will be back. Eventually the Heatley baggage will force Bryan Murray's hand, and he'll have to settle.

I dont mind Cheechoo as a salary dump, he is still a guy who can put up 30 goals. Michalek, Couture, and a 1st should be coming back as well though... maybe throw Picard to San Jose as well, they need a cheap contract on the point.

N4L wrote:I dont mind Cheechoo as a salary dump, he is still a guy who can put up 30 goals. Michalek, Couture, and a 1st should be coming back as well though... maybe throw Picard to San Jose as well, they need a cheap contract on the point.

I disagreed with the notion of Cheechoo coming back a few weeks ago, but now I'd have to say I would be fine with him taking the salary dump position in the deal structure that was worked out with Edmonton. Adding Michalek (or please, please, please let Wilson get drunk and agree to Setoguchi) and Couture OR a first is more likely, but welcome.

25-30 from Cheechoo, 25-30 from Kovalev and continued improved play from Foligno and Shannon and we're no longer struggling to score. All of a sudden the Sens are much deeper offensively.

beedub wrote:

N4L wrote:

davetherave wrote:

N4L wrote:So... sick... of this douche bag.

So N4L, who takes him off BM's hands? And what's the return? Realistically?

All I know is Murray will get what he wants, when and where he goes is anyones guess.

Get ready for Cheechoo an Ottawa Senator, or else Dany Heatley will be back. Eventually the Heatley baggage will force Bryan Murray's hand, and he'll have to settle.

Heately's baggage will not force BM's hand. If he does not have a better option Heatley will be a Sen on opening night. BM will not be pushed into a Dung deal, Melnyk will not let it happen.

don't think either of them are going to blink, they will be working together through this season as the training camp is creeping ever closer.

LOL

Hahahah. That youtube is awesome. Yeah, what the Diddle, locked doors, open doors?.."

Love the buuuuuuuuuuurp right at the start. Hilarious.

shabbs wrote:Love the buuuuuuuuuuurp right at the start. Hilarious.

Yeah, that was the thing that had me laughing. The rest is average, the burp is gold.

And the 'pardon me' right after as well.

This guy has made a whole bunch: http://www.youtube.com/user/OttawaGh0st#play/uploads/2/WsIQBHTwFY0

Pardon me if this has already been brought up, but:

http://www.ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/2009/08/29/10671086.html

1. San Jose Sharks

They’re still the top contender, although they could be ready to make an offer sheet to Bruins RW Phil Kessel. Sharks GM Doug Wilson is described by counterparts as “a terrible tire-kicker who sticks his nose in everything, but has a tough time getting anything done.” The Senators don’t want RW Jonathan Cheechoo and the deal changed after D Christian Ehrhoff was sent to Vancouver Friday. The Senators could take C Patrick Marleau, but would have to get draft picks built into the deal if he doesn’t re-sign after next season, when he’s set to become an unrestricted free agent. The player the Senators really covet: C Joe Thornton.

WTF?

ANd where does that come from?

marakh wrote:ANd where does that come from?

Sorry about that. From Booboo, who I kind of believe sometimes but I say again: "WTF?"

http://www.ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/2009/08/29/10671086.html

SeawaySensFan wrote:

marakh wrote:ANd where does that come from?

Sorry about that. From Booboo, who I kind of believe sometimes but I say again: "WTF?"

[url=http://www.ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/2009/08/29/10671086.html

Chiarelli]http://www.ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/2009/08/29/10671086.html[/quote]Chiarelli[/url] has already said any offer made to Kessel will be matched. Any Kessel rumours are totally untrue. They don't have to announce anything until he returns (in November).

SeawaySensFan wrote:Pardon me if this has already been brought up, but:

http://www.ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/2009/08/29/10671086.html

1. San Jose Sharks

They’re still the top contender, although they could be ready to make an offer sheet to Bruins RW Phil Kessel. Sharks GM Doug Wilson is described by counterparts as “a terrible tire-kicker who sticks his nose in everything, but has a tough time getting anything done.” The Senators don’t want RW Jonathan Cheechoo and the deal changed after D Christian Ehrhoff was sent to Vancouver Friday. The Senators could take C Patrick Marleau, but would have to get draft picks built into the deal if he doesn’t re-sign after next season, when he’s set to become an unrestricted free agent. The player the Senators really covet: C Joe Thornton.

WTF?

Who wouldn't covet Thornton?

jamvan wrote:
Who wouldn't covet Thornton?

Any team with Jason Spezza as their first-line center.

As a side note, anybody read Garrioch's Food column in the Sun today? He provides a great deal of insight into how Tim Horton's gets the blueberry filling into the centre of that new donut of theirs.

Sources say Brucie might leave the Sports department at SunMedia to write about food full time.

Well... another team is giving their 2 cents on the Heatley situation. Not too surprising for most of us but I wonder if Heatley is at all surprised?


LOMBARDI: KINGS DON'T WANT TO RISK ADDING HEATLEY
Disgruntled Ottawa Senators forward Dany Heatley
spoke to the media a week and a half ago about other teams being
interested in his services. If the Los Angeles Kings were on that list,
they can now be crossed off.
According to the Los Angeles Times, Kings General Manager Dean
Lombardi dismissed his club's interest in the high-scoring winger on
Sunday during the Kings' final day of their three-day fan fest.
"Do I want to bring in a Dany Heatley
with all that baggage?'' Lombardi told the Times. ‘'It might work, but
I don't think we're in a position where we can afford that. ... Maybe a
change of environment and he grows up but my point is; do we need to
take that risk right now? It scares me."
While Heatley's name has largely been associated with the San Jose
Sharks and Edmonton Oilers, the Kings have also been a team that has
been linked because of their need for a scorer and their favourable cap
space situation.
Heatley made his formal trade request to Senators management on June
10. The 28-year old signed a six-year, $45 million contract extension
with the team in October, 2007 in a deal that includes a no-movement
clause.
The veteran forward became unhappy with his role in Ottawa last
season, especially after the Senators fired head coach Craig Hartsburg
in February and replaced him with Cory Clouston. Heatley raised
concerns with Clouston at the Senators end-of-season meetings about
what he felt was the limiting of his ice time, and his shift from the
first to the second power-play unit.
If Heatley does get moved, it will have to be to a team that can
afford the remaining five years of his contract, with a salary cap hit
of $7.5 million per season.
Heatley notched 39 goals and 33 assists in 82 games last season. The
72 points marked his lowest total in his four seasons with the
Senators. He had back-to-back 50-goal campaigns in 2005-06 and 2006-07.

N4L wrote:I dont mind Cheechoo as a salary dump, he is still a guy who can put up 30 goals. Michalek, Couture, and a 1st should be coming back as well though... maybe throw Picard to San Jose as well, they need a cheap contract on the point.

Haha, that's pretty much exactly what I've been saying for a while now: Michalek + Cheechoo + Couture/1st. Even better if it's Couture + 1st.

Good to have you back, N4L!

davetherave wrote:As a side note, anybody read Garrioch's Food column in the Sun today? He provides a great deal of insight into how Tim Horton's gets the blueberry filling into the centre of that new donut of theirs.

Sources say Brucie might leave the Sports department at SunMedia to write about food full time.

Smart move if he does. They say its better to write about what you know... Maybe then Garrioche could actually do that.

Weren't the rumours all about Wilson not letting Michalek be a part of ANY deal?

cas wrote:

davetherave wrote:As a side note, anybody read Garrioch's Food column in the Sun today? He provides a great deal of insight into how Tim Horton's gets the blueberry filling into the centre of that new donut of theirs.

Sources say Brucie might leave the Sports department at SunMedia to write about food full time.

Smart move if he does. They say its better to write about what you know... Maybe then Garrioche could actually do that.

Cas>you may be onto something...'The Garrioche'--a cream-filled pastry that is very filling but has no nutritional value.
:n:

davetherave wrote:

cas wrote:

davetherave wrote:As a side note, anybody read Garrioch's Food column in the Sun today? He provides a great deal of insight into how Tim Horton's gets the blueberry filling into the centre of that new donut of theirs.

Sources say Brucie might leave the Sports department at SunMedia to write about food full time.

Smart move if he does. They say its better to write about what you know... Maybe then Garrioche could actually do that.

Cas>you may be onto something...'The Garrioche'--a cream-filled pastry that is very filling but has no nutritional value.
:n:

It could be the ultimate dieting solution. All you have to do is read the label and you not only lose your appetite, but it activates your gag reflex and

shabbs wrote:Weren't the rumours all about Wilson not letting Michalek be a part of ANY deal?

I've said this before, but it bears repeated:

If Wilson isn't willing to include at least one of Michalek or Clowe (I'm assuming Pavelski and Setoguchi are off limits), then there simply is no deal to be had with SJ. You have to give some to get some, and it's time for Wilson to step up if he wants to get anything done. He is barking up the wrong tree if he thinks we're going to give Heatley away for a handful of salary dumps.

Faced with the alternatives of possibly endangering the team's prospects for this season, or for-sure damaging the team's long-term outlook, I have no doubts about what direction BM will go. I'm guessing he would rather roll the dice, maintain Heatley, and take his chances in terms of whether the team will or will not perform and so cost him his job; rather than lose his job for sure because he gave Heatley away for nothing / burdens. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

rooneypoo wrote:

shabbs wrote:Weren't the rumours all about Wilson not letting Michalek be a part of ANY deal?

I've said this before, but it bears repeated:

If Wilson isn't willing to include at least one of Michalek or Clowe (I'm assuming Pavelski and Setoguchi are off limits), then there simply is no deal to be had with SJ. You have to give some to get some, and it's time for Wilson to step up if he wants to get anything done. He is barking up the wrong tree if he thinks we're going to give Heatley away for a handful of salary dumps.

Faced with the alternatives of possibly endangering the team's prospects for this season, or for-sure damaging the team's long-term outlook, I have no doubts about what direction BM will go. I'm guessing he would rather roll the dice, maintain Heatley, and take his chances in terms of whether the team will or will not perform and so cost him his job; rather than lose his job for sure because he gave Heatley away for nothing / burdens. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

I was listening to XM and they were discussing the possibility of Murray not making any moves other than what we've seen. THe Lukowich, Erhoff deal as well as changing the chemistry of the team around by switching the leadership.

This was Josh Brewster talking and he was saying something to the effect of all the pieces being there, and he questioned bringing in Heatley. He wondered if this team truly needs the right leadership and that's it. He also compared them to the Wings of the mid 90's when Yzerman's leadership was being questioned.

You're right rooneypoo, if one of Michalek, Clowe, Setoguchi, or Pavelski isn't involved, it won't happen. I don't care what question marks Heatley has, he's still a top player in this league and still worth way more than pieces of SJ's scrapheap.

Camp is less than TWO WEEKS away ( ) I think it's safe to say that Murray won't be blinking.

In an interview published this morning, Bryan Murray says if Heatley comes to camp, he won't be wearing the A.

From the Citizen article:

Murray says it's a given that Heatley will not be wearing the alternate captain's "A" any longer. That would indicate he was a team leader, which he isn't, Murray said.

"I would not want to answer that question for the captain, but to me, (leaders) are the people who wear the A," Murray said. "I would suggest that Cory (Clouston, the Senators' head coach) and Dany would mutually agree that this hasn't been the case so far."

Link to full text here:
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/sports/Heatley+deadline+pending/1949643/story.html

Congrats to the Dungizen for correctly stating that the "A" stands for "alternate".

davetherave wrote:In an interview published this morning, Bryan Murray says if Heatley comes to camp, he won't be wearing the A.

From the Citizen article:

Murray says it's a given that Heatley will not be wearing the alternate captain's "A" any longer. That would indicate he was a team leader, which he isn't, Murray said.

"I would not want to answer that question for the captain, but to me, (leaders) are the people who wear the A," Murray said. "I would suggest that Cory (Clouston, the Senators' head coach) and Dany would mutually agree that this hasn't been the case so far."

Link to full text here:
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/sports/Heatley+deadline+pending/1949643/story.html

Beauty. The way it should be. No "A" for you Dany boy.

How's that for a reduced role now?

BIATCH!!!!

Melnyk had some candid comments when asked what he'd say to Dany when he sees him for the first time since this all came out.

Melnyk replied that he really didn't know what he'd say other than "What were you thinking? Where were you getting your advice from?".

Should be interesting times in Ottawa for Dany boy.

Beauty!

shabbs wrote:Melnyk had some candid comments when asked what he'd say to Dany when he sees him for the first time since this all came out.

Melnyk replied that he really didn't know what he'd say other than "What were you thinking? Where were you getting your advice from?".

Should be interesting times in Ottawa for Dany boy.

insert Dany here as Sens new whipping boy. Spezza will be relieved.

No doubt about it. I'm sure the local radio stations will be all over him after every game...

shabbs wrote:No doubt about it. I'm sure the local radio stations will be all over him after every game...

any slump will be attributed to Dany Heatley as well, I hope he realizes that, if things don't go well, it's all Dany in the media/fans eyes.

shabbs wrote:No doubt about it. I'm sure the local radio stations will be all over him after every game...

No one will be there to back him with comments about being "good in the community" and having a great "breakout pass" either. :^^^^:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

shabbs wrote:No doubt about it. I'm sure the local radio stations will be all over him after every game...

No one will be there to back him with comments about being "good in the community" and having a great "breakout pass" either. :^^^^:

CLEARLY and performance issues by the team will be ALL HIS FAULT!



Get out your whips boys... it's gonna be a long season...