Re: GAME DAY: Ottawa Senators @ Toronto Maple Leafs - 7:00pm ET - SAT. Feb 6, 2010

by **marakh** on Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:03 pm

Kovalfie wrote:
marakh wrote:
Kovalfie wrote:would you be all that upset if Cowen turns into a Philips?

Yes. His skating is already better than Philips', he can lead the rush from end to end, I don't know why we can't expect that when he's here.

With Karlsson and Wiercioch's offensive upsides I wouldn't be devastatingly upset if Cowen turned into more of a shutdown defenceman. That being said I hope he turns into a Chara and not a Gill.

devastatingly upset is 2 big words, I wouldn't go that far. But why settle for a Chris Philips when you can get a Tyler Myers?

by Michallica on Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:24 pm

marakh wrote:
Kovalfie wrote:
marakh wrote:
Kovalfie wrote:would you be all that upset if Cowen turns into a Philips?

Yes. His skating is already better than Philips', he can lead the rush from end to end, I don't know why we can't expect that when he's here.

With Karlsson and Wiercioch's offensive upsides I wouldn't be devastatingly upset if Cowen turned into more of a shutdown defenceman. That being said I hope he turns into a Chara and not a Gill.

devastatingly upset is 2 big words, I wouldn't go that far. But why settle for a Chris Philips when you can get a Tyler Myers?

That's why I feel another year in Junior or AHL before the NHL is what he needs to improve his offensive side even more.

by pegsensfan on Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:49 pm

i wouldnt consider philips as awful offensively. He just isnt a PP guy. He has a nice breakout pass and has a way of getting his wrister to the net, although i would agree that he doesnt have a good slapshot and wont score 10+ goals.

by **wprager** on Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:15 pm

Side-by-sides. Get your side-by-side here! (and in 1st post)

by **wprager** on Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:19 pm

Cap'n Clutch wrote:
Michallica wrote:I may have missed something here, but how come Shabbs doesn't do the GDT anymore?

shabbs informed us that he's taking a hiatus from the site. He didn't say for how long and I didn't ask. I figured if he wanted us to know he would have said something.

My guess is OFA (Online Forum Anonymous). Maybe he can recommend a good rehab place for some of us when he gets back.

by 111519 on Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:23 pm

Kovalfie wrote:would you be all that upset if Cowen turns into a Philips?

No

I'm actually worried when phillips retires we won't have that big vetran d-man that can calm things down and consistently shut the other teams best players down. I think we have all got used to Phillips and don't realize how important he is-pair that with his leadership and we have a big hole.

No one ever says anything about Phillips cause he just does his job-and that is a compliment to him.

It would be great if Cowen can help with that.

by asq2 on Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:40 pm

Hagman doesn't belong as the Leafs' top goal-scorer any more.

It's hard not to cringe at the 60 powerplay goals allowed by the Leafs, especially when they've registered fewer penalty minutes than the Sens.

Also, as far as Cowen being Phillips 2.0 goes, I think his defensive game will be similar (he's bigger, granted, and a little more physical), but I'll be surprised if he doesn't put up better numbers. His shot is already much better than Phillips', IMO. And if he and Karlsson end up playing together, he's going to get a lot of opportunities to shoot the puck.

by asq2 on Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:00 pm

beedub wrote:
PKC wrote:
111519 wrote:Is there anyone who would trade Karlsson for Schenn?

Not a chance in Hell for me.

I would...Mattias Karlsson for Luke Schenn sounds about even to me.

I bet people's opinion would be different if Schenn was having another season like he did last year. Sophomore slump, not unheard of, and Karlsson necessarily won't be exempt next year

It wouldn't, but that's because the issue is somewhat divorced from their respective calibres. Schenn is redundant in Ottawa because of the Cowen draft pick. Our experiences under Hartsburg have shown how vital puck-movement and a quick transition is both to offence and to defence, and Karlsson's skill-set is vastly beyond anything else we have in the organization, with the exception of Wiercioch (who is still not at the same calibre).

Anyway, Schenn's actually turned it around the last month or so. He's a good player and he'll almost certainly wear the C at some point.

by asq2 on Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:07 pm

111519 wrote:Kaberle is a great d-man but the clock is ticking on his carreer.

Not really. He's 31 - and only 7 days older than Phillips. Not every defenceman follows the same career trajectory as Redden. Obviously Lidstrom is a career example but he's still chugging along at 39.

The issue with Kaberle is he's been pretty soft and weak in his own zone. But he's certainly not over the hill.

by **Dash** on Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:35 pm

Leafs are up 3-1 on the New Look Devils

by **hemlock** on Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:38 pm

Dash wrote:Leafs are up 3-1 on the New Look Devils

It's Kovalchuk's fault I am sure.

Did he get the goal at least?

by **wprager** on Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:44 pm

marakh wrote:I think teams should not draft defensemen in the top 5 if they don't have that offensive potential that can turn them into N1 Dmen.
I like Schenn but I think he is more a Chris Philips type than a Pronger.

Big-Rig went first overall. Sarcasm

by **Dash** on Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:15 pm

Alright Ottawa, let's go for 12.

L'Ultima Sena:

by Bass Destruction on Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:24 pm

L'ultima sena!!! that's beautiful and clever! Great work Dash

by Hoags on Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:25 pm

Leafs lost 4-3

(they were up 3-1)

And someone was claiming they have better defense than us

by Bass Destruction on Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:26 pm

And what an Epic collapse by the leafs tonight. A collapse of cosmic proportions. Up 3-1 with 4 minutes to go and they lose in REGULATION!!!! McAmmond scores with 3:06 left. McAmmond assists on Zajac's game tying PP goal with 44 seconds left. And Pandolfo scores the game winner with 19 seconds to go.

An absolute Colossal collapse.

by rooneypoo on Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:28 pm

Hoags wrote:Leafs lost 4-3 (they were up 3-1)

And someone was claiming they have better defense than us

What a collapse. I saw only the final two minutes of that game -- TOR gives up a PP goal with less than a minute, and then gives up an even strength goal with less than 20 seconds.

That team finds ways to lose.

Also noteworthy: guess who was out on the point, with Kovalchuk, in the last minute of the game, on the PP, making the sweet pass to Zajac? Yep, Dean McAmmond. Go Deaner!

by **wprager** on Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:39 pm

Dash, that's great! I'm not sure I can make everyone out, though. Is that Ruutu moving in on Carrie? And that sure looks like Lee trying to get Bryan to give him one more chance. I especially love Brian holding up 10 -- he'll be going for his 10th straight tomorrow. Beautiful.

But I thought Heatley would be Judas.

by **Dash** on Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:59 pm

Thanks. Honestly, I don't even know which one Judas is, so I couldn't make Heatley as him if I wanted. But I also wanted to keep it the current team.

Left to right: Spezza, Kelly, Elliott, Fisher, Neil, Underwood, Alfie, Volchenkov, Phillips, Karlsson, Leclaire, Lee, Murray (Leclaire and Lee complaining about their "ice" time and Murray saying "what do you want from me, you lost you spots!")

Working title: L'Utlima Cena-tors? Sena-tors?

by **hemlock** on Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:43 pm

rooneypoo wrote:
Hoags wrote:Leafs lost 4-3 (they were up 3-1)

And someone was claiming they have better defense than us

What a collapse. I saw only the final two minutes of that game -- TOR gives up a PP goal with less than a minute, and then gives up an even strength goal with less than 20 seconds.

That team finds ways to lose.

Also noteworthy: guess who was out on the point, with Kovalchuk, in the last minute of the game, on the PP, making the sweet pass to Zajac? Yep, Dean McAmmond. Go Deaner!

He apparently made an even better play to hold up with puck just before the goal to give the extra man time to join the play. Good heads up veteran play.

by **SpezDispenser** on Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:53 pm

That should be our banner here. It's that Diddling clever.

by **SpezDispenser** on Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:54 pm

Oh, that's Volchenkov. That one is hard to make out.

by 111519 on Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:21 am

After reading the news about Burkes son, I lost interest in this game.

Puts things in perspective very quickly

by **hemlock** on Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:25 am

Dash wrote:Thanks. Honestly, I don't even know which one Judas is, so I couldn't make Heatley as him if I wanted. But I also wanted to keep it the current team.

Left to right: Spezza, Kelly, Elliott, Fisher, Neil, Underwood, Alfie, Volchenkov, Phillips, Karlsson, Leclaire, Lee, Murray (Leclaire and Lee complaining about their "ice" time and Murray saying "what do you want from me, you lost you spots!")

Working title: L'Utlima Cena-tors? Sena-tors?

Ohhh, that's Kelly. I was wondering what Vin Diesel was doing there.

by **SpezDispenser** on Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:26 am

111519 wrote:After reading the news about Burkes son, I lost interest in this game.

Puts things in perspective very quickly

I'm still very interested in this game, but I feel truly terrible for the Burkes.

by Fish12 on Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:30 am

still very interested in the game. We have the opportunity to become the new NE leaders tomorrow! It should be a very emotional game tomorrow. I expect a close game, but still a Sens win. go Sens go!

by **SpezDispenser** on Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:31 am

Fish12 wrote:still very interested in the game. We have the opportunity to become the new NE leaders tomorrow! It should be a very emotional game tomorrow. I expect a close game, but still a Sens win. go Sens go!

You're kidding...did they lose tonight? I forgot to check and I'm scared to check... Ahhhhh!

by **marakh** on Sat Feb 06, 2010 1:10 am

I see Phaneuf played 28 minutes... and they are surprised they allowed that many goals in the last 5 minutes?

If there's anyone who have to be replaced on that team it's the coaching staff.

by **marakh** on Sat Feb 06, 2010 1:31 am

Ok so I just watched the highlights. Gustavsson was the biggest reason the Devils came back...

by Hoags on Sat Feb 06, 2010 1:32 am

marakh wrote:
If there's anyone who have to be replaced on that team it's the coaching staff.

Wilson has to be the worst coach out there who still has a job. They didn't even call a time out in the end.

by **marakh** on Sat Feb 06, 2010 1:41 am

hemlock wrote:
rooneypoo wrote:
Hoags wrote:Leafs lost 4-3 (they were up 3-1)

And someone was claiming they have better defense than us

What a collapse. I saw only the final two minutes of that game -- TOR gives up a PP goal with less than a minute, and then gives up an even strength goal with less than 20 seconds.

That team finds ways to lose.

Also noteworthy: guess who was out on the point, with Kovalchuk, in the last minute of the game, on the PP, making the sweet pass to Zajac? Yep, Dean McAmmond. Go Deaner!

He apparently made an even better play to hold up with puck just before the goal to give the extra man time to join the play. Good heads up veteran play.

Before that he scored the 2nd NJ goal at 3min left. Then right after we can see Lemaire talk to his assistant coach, probably saying, "we're givin him extra time"

by **marakh** on Sat Feb 06, 2010 1:42 am

SpezDispenser wrote:
Fish12 wrote:still very interested in the game. We have the opportunity to become the new NE leaders tomorrow! It should be a very emotional game tomorrow. I expect a close game, but still a Sens win. go Sens go!

You're kidding...did they lose tonight? I forgot to check and I'm scared to check...

They so lost.

by **wprager** on Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:48 am

Dash wrote:Thanks. Honestly, I don't even know which one Judas is, so I couldn't make Heatley as him if I wanted. But I also wanted to keep it the current team.

Left to right: Spezza, Kelly, Elliott, Fisher, Neil, Underwood, Alfie, Volchenkov, Phillips, Karlsson, Leclaire, Lee, Murray (Leclaire and Lee complaining about their "ice" time and Murray saying "what do you want from me, you lost you spots!")

Working title: L'Utlima Cena-tors? Sena-tors?

Judas is the one with his elbow on the table (Fisher). From Wikipedia:

The Last Supper specifically portrays the reaction given by each apostle when Jesus said one of them would betray him. All twelve apostles have different reactions to the news, with various degrees of anger and shock. From left to right:

* Bartholomew, James, son of Alphaeus and Andrew form a group of three, all are surprised.
* Judas Iscariot, Peter and John form another group of three. Judas is wearing green and blue and is in shadow, looking rather withdrawn and taken aback by the sudden revelation of his plan. He is clutching a small bag, perhaps signifying the silver given to him as payment to betray Jesus, or perhaps a reference to his role within the 12 disciples as treasurer. He is the only person to have his elbow on the table. Peter looks angry and is holding a knife pointed away from Christ, perhaps foreshadowing his violent reaction in Gethsemane during Jesus' arrest. The youngest apostle, John, appears to swoon.
* Jesus
* Apostle Thomas, James the Greater and Philip are the next group of three. Thomas is clearly upset; James the Greater looks stunned, with his arms in the air. Meanwhile, Philip appears to be requesting some explanation.
* Matthew, Jude Thaddeus and Simon the Zealot are the final group of three. Both Jude Thaddeus and Matthew are turned toward Simon, perhaps to find out if he has any answer to their initial questions.

by **wprager** on Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:49 am

Dash wrote:Thanks. Honestly, I don't even know which one Judas is, so I couldn't make Heatley as him if I wanted. But I also wanted to keep it the current team.

Left to right: Spezza, Kelly, Elliott, Fisher, Neil, Underwood, Alfie, Volchenkov, Phillips, Karlsson, Leclaire, Lee, Murray (Leclaire and Lee complaining about their "ice" time and Murray saying "what do you want from me, you lost you spots!")

Working title: L'Utlima Cena-tors? Sena-tors?

What position does Underwood play? Smile

by **wprager** on Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:51 am

SpezDispenser wrote:Oh, that's Volchenkov. That one is hard to make out.

The only one I wasn't sure about was Ruutu, although that's who I thought it was. Volchenkov was quite obvious to me.

by **Dash** on Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:03 am

Thanks, I did not know any of that.

I too think this is going to be a difficult game with the tragic news of the death of Brendan Burke, but we cannot let that interfere with our quest for 12.

by **Cap'n Clutch** on Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:10 am

A win tonight vaults the Sens into 1st in the division and 3rd in the Conference thanks to Carolina's win over the Sabres!!

by **marakh** on Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:31 am

Cap'n Clutch wrote:A win tonight vaults the Sens into 1st in the division and 3rd in the Conference thanks to Carolina's win over the Sabres!!

Unless BUF gets a point against CBJ.

by **wprager** on Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:50 am

Look what Mikey was up to when the Sens had a couple of days off last weekend:

He didn't walk the red carpet because Carrie said she didn't want to "feed him to the wolves" this early in their engagement. So he waited for her at the other end.

I think she seriously underestimates the amount of media attention hockey gets in Ottawa. Yes, yes, I know it's different because it's Hollywood and all, but Mike's been photographed, interviewed, mic'd up quite a bit.

by Bass Destruction on Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:31 pm

She probably didn't want him to face the inevitable embarrassing questions of "And you are??" or "What's it like being a nobody and being engaged to a somebody??" Because they don't know who Mike Fisher is.

by **marakh** on Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:35 pm

Yeah I saw that, I also saw him sitting there looking lost all alone while Carrie was backstage

by **wprager** on Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:56 pm

Remember when I said the Leafs could not lose more than 3 in order to have a chance at 90 points? Last night was that went down to no-more than 2 losses. If the Sens run their streak to12 then it will down to no-more than 1 win. Are they really that close to being (nearly mathematically) eliminated?

by Number Twenty Nine on Sat Feb 06, 2010 1:17 pm

wprager wrote:Look what Mikey was up to when the Sens had a couple of days off last weekend:

He didn't walk the red carpet because Carrie said she didn't want to "feed him to the wolves" this early in their engagement. So he waited for her at the other end.

I think she seriously underestimates the amount of media attention hockey gets in Ottawa. Yes, yes, I know it's different because it's Hollywood and all, but Mike's been photographed, interviewed, mic'd up quite a bit.

PBJ

Ottawa @ Toronto - Feb 6, 2010