Re: Jonathan Cheechoo Depreciation Thread

[SpezDispenser]

We're his 3rd NHL team, can't help but question his usefulness to any team at this point.

Bet at some points last year Vancouver looked over and did a facepalm. Hmmm...speedy forward or Lawrence Nycholat? Slam dunk you say? Agreed.

[SeawaySensFan]

Shannon is like a Mike Fisher, only not as big. They're the same player but Shannon doesn't have the size it takes to get the same results as Fisher is getting this year. Or to at least be a physical presence, which I'm told is plenty to make you a 6-million dollar star in this town.

[SpezDispenser]

Shannon is like a Mike Fisher, only not as big. They're the same player but Shannon doesn't have the size it takes to get the same results as Fisher is getting this year. Or to at least be a physical presence, which I'm told is plenty to make you a 6-million dollar star in this town.

I'll still take 600K though.

[SeawaySensFan]

Shannon is like a Mike Fisher, only not as big. They're the same player but Shannon doesn't have the size it takes to get the same results as Fisher is getting this year. Or to at least be a physical presence, which I'm told is plenty to make you a 6-million dollar star in this town.

I'll still take 600K though.

Source?

[Hoags]

Shannon has nowhere near the heart and determination that Fish has.

Fish is typically the hardest worker out on the ice every night. Shannon has to get benched to get a wake up call, he has nowhere near the drive and I sometimes wonder if he cares.

Ottawa may have won the Nycholat trade but the jury's still out whether he got a bonafida NHLer who can bring it every night.

It's frustrating to watch such a fast player coasting along most shifts and then someone like Fisher or Michalek steps on the ice ...

[SpezDispenser]

Shannon has nowhere near the heart and determination that Fish has.

Fish is typically the hardest worker out on the ice every night. Shannon has to get benched to get a wake up call, he has nowhere near the drive and I sometimes wonder if he cares.

Ottawa may have won the Nycholat trade but the jury's still out whether he got a bonafida NHLer who can bring it every night.

It's frustrating to watch such a fast player coasting along most shifts and then someone like Fisher or Michalek steps on the ice ...

I have never seem Ryan Shannon coast once since he got here. He plays every shift like it's his last. I think the lack of production is the issue here, I doubt it has anything to do with his work ethic. A guy who's 4 feet doesn't make the NHL without working his tiny arse off every night.

He got benched because he wasn't producing and Clouston wanted him to know that his NHL career was in jeopardy.

[Hoags]

I have never seem Ryan Shannon coast once since he got here. He plays every shift like it's his last. I think the lack of production is the issue here, I doubt it has anything to do with his work ethic. A guy who's 4 feet doesn't make the NHL without working his tiny arse off every night.

He got benched because he wasn't producing and Clouston wanted him to know that his NHL career was in jeopardy.

I haven't really noticed Shannon on the ice much until recently. Clouston seems to bench people for lack of effort not production, otherwise Cheech would have sat most of the season so far.

I'd put Shannon is in the same boat as Regin, someone who is not using their assets on a consistent basis and is just spinning their wheels out there most nights.

[SpezDispenser]

I haven't really noticed Shannon on the ice much until recently. Clouston seems to bench people for lack of effort not production, otherwise Cheech would have sat most of the season so far.

I'd put Shannon is in the same boat as Regin, someone who is not using their assets on a consistent basis and is just spinning their wheels out there most nights.

Maybe, yeah. Hard to say, I certainly wouldn't think he has an issue with effort, but his stats are crappy, so perhaps he does. Would be nice to have him and Regin get going though.

[Hoags]

I haven't really noticed Shannon on the ice much until recently. Clouston seems to bench people for lack of effort not production, otherwise Cheech would have sat most of the season so far.

I'd put Shannon is in the same boat as Regin, someone who is not using their assets on a consistent basis and is just spinning their wheels out there most nights.

Maybe, yeah. Hard to say, I certainly wouldn't think he has an issue with effort, but his stats are crappy, so perhaps he does. Would be nice to have him and Regin get going though.

Only 1 possible spot to grab in the top 6.

Fisher, Kovalev, Alfie, Michalek and Spezza have theirs.

It's between Foligno, Neil, Shannon, Cheechoo, Regin, Winchester for LW on the 2nd line unless they move someone to the other wing.

Ruutu-Kelly-Neil will probably be our 3rd unless he wants to keep Cheech there.

Fourth line is the leftovers line, prolly gets 6 minutes a game tops. Gonna be real hard to get going with such little time.

[SpezDispenser]

Only 1 possible spot to grab in the top 6.

Fisher, Kovalev, Alfie, Michalek and Spezza have theirs.

It's between Foligno, Neil, Shannon, Cheechoo, Regin, Winchester for LW on the 2nd line unless they move someone to the other wing.

Ruutu-Kelly-Neil will probably be our 3rd unless he wants to keep Cheech there.

Fourth line is the leftovers line, prolly gets 6 minutes a game tops. Gonna be real hard to get going with such little time.

I think that's the issue with guys like Keller and even Shannon and Regin, they can't really exist in that role because they're not really grinders as you should be on that 4th line. That's designated for the Ruutus, Kellys etc.

[Hoags]

I think that's the issue with guys like Keller and even Shannon and Regin, they can't really exist in that role because they're not really grinders as you should be on that 4th line. That's designated for the Ruutus, Kellys etc.

Clouston has made Kelly's the 3rd line, I guess he feels they're more effective out there

[SeawaySensFan]

Only 1 possible spot to grab in the top 6.

Fisher, Kovalev, Alfie, Michalek and Spezza have theirs.

It's between Foligno, Neil, Shannon, Cheechoo, Regin, Winchester for LW on the 2nd line unless they move someone to the other wing.

Ruutu-Kelly-Neil will probably be our 3rd unless he wants to keep Cheech there.

Fourth line is the leftovers line, prolly gets 6 minutes a game tops. Gonna be real hard to get going with such little time.

I think that's the issue with guys like Keller and even Shannon and Regin, they can't really exist in that role because they're not really grinders as you should be on that 4th line. That's designated for the Ruutus, Kellys etc.

Winchester is a decent playmaker and wins a lot of faceoffs so those guys shouldn't lose out too much. It's just the icetime working against them.

[Guest]

http://www.ottawasun.com/sports/columnists/don_brennan/2010/02/08/12797156.html

[PKC]

http://www.ottawasun.com/sports/columnists/don_brennan/2010/02/08/12797156.html

Man, I'm so tired of that imbecile Don Brennan.

[Kovalfie]

http://www.ottawasun.com/sports/columnists/don_brennan/2010/02/08/12797156.html

Man, I'm so tired of that imbecile Don Brennan.

Someone should spearhead an email to Ottawa Sun...

[Michallica]

Yes cheechoo has struggled, and its already a foregone conclusion that he's a regular season bust in Ottawa (I only say that because I thought he could at least get 10-15 goals, which he won't). That being said, I don't think his career is over at all. The man still finds a way to get scoring chances, and he's had plenty. How many posts/cross bars has he hit? Ppl may say that doesn't matter...Diddle that, of course it matters. Brennan is just kicking cheechoo while he's down in this article.

If he's not traded, I'm hoping cheechoo can display some of his resolve in the playoffs where most of our players disappear. I'm also hoping Cheechoo can score to shove it down these SUN writers' throats.

Btw, if there ever is a drive to get one or both of Garrioch/Brennan fired, sign me up.

[SeawaySensFan]

Brennan is just kicking cheechoo while he's down in this article.

That's what CheapShots does. He ran Corvo out of town too, probably because he was making his boyfriend Wade Redden look bad.

By the way, the timing of the article is pretty sneaky because a few days ago, Del Shannon had the same amount of points and a worse +/- than Cheechoo.

[Hoags]

Ugh The Ottawa Sun guys disgust me. That's just a pathetic article.

[Cap'n Clutch]

Brennan is just kicking cheechoo while he's down in this article.

That's what CheapShots does. He ran Corvo out of town too, probably because he was making his boyfriend Wade Redden look bad.

By the way, the timing of the article is pretty sneaky because a few days ago, Del Shannon had the same amount of points and a worse +/- than Cheechoo.

Sneaky yes but Del Shannon hasn't played in all 59 games either

[Guest]

Brenan is an absolute hack. The guy probably cant even skate and he talks like he knows something about the game. Maybe we should bring in some guys that will get their 30 goals and rip the team apart eh... he's making 3 mil, deal with it. If he was making 1.5, even 2 people wouldnt say a word.

Guess people need something to complain about in Ottawa since their goaltending has been amazing. I hope Cheechoo scores a huge goal in the playoffs just to shut everyone up. The guy should have 10-15 goals right now if he had any luck what so ever. There is still a lot in his game that shows he can be productive.

[SeawaySensFan]

Brennan is just kicking cheechoo while he's down in this article.

That's what CheapShots does. He ran Corvo out of town too, probably because he was making his boyfriend Wade Redden look bad.

By the way, the timing of the article is pretty sneaky because a few days ago, Del Shannon had the same amount of points and a worse +/- than Cheechoo.

Sneaky yes but Del Shannon hasn't played in all 59 games either

Sure. I'm sure CheapShots also noted that Cheechoo has more even strength minutes than The Runaway and far less PP time. Thus making the Del a more prolific - player.

[Cap'n Clutch]

Brenan is an absolute hack. The guy probably cant even skate and he talks like he knows something about the game. Maybe we should bring in some guys that will get their 30 goals and rip the team apart eh... he's making 3 mil, deal with it. If he was making 1.5, even 2 people wouldnt say a word.

Guess people need something to complain about in Ottawa since their goaltending has been amazing. I hope Cheechoo scores a huge goal in the playoffs just to shut everyone up. The guy should have 10-15 goals right now if he had any luck what so ever. There is still a lot in his game that shows he can be productive.

Oleg Saprykin scored a pretty big playoff goal in 2007 and I don't think it helped shut people up about him. Just sayin'

[Cap'n Clutch]

Brennan is just kicking cheechoo while he's down in this article.

That's what CheapShots does. He ran Corvo out of town too, probably because he was making his boyfriend Wade Redden look bad.

By the way, the timing of the article is pretty sneaky because a few days ago, Del Shannon had the same amount of points and a worse +/- than Cheechoo.

Sneaky yes but Del Shannon hasn't played in all 59 games either

Sure. I'm sure CheapShots also noted that Cheechoo has more even strength minutes than The Runaway and far less PP time. Thus making the Del a more prolific - player.

I think he figured it was so obvious that he just didn't mention Del Shannon at all.

[Guest]

Brenan is an absolute hack. The guy probably cant even skate and he talks like he knows something about the game. Maybe we should bring in some guys that will get their 30 goals and rip the team apart eh... he's making 3 mil, deal with it. If he was making 1.5, even 2 people wouldnt say a word.

Guess people need something to complain about in Ottawa since their goaltending has been amazing. I hope Cheechoo scores a huge goal in the playoffs just to shut everyone up. The guy should have 10-15 goals right now if he had any luck what so ever. There is still a lot in his game that shows he can be productive.

Oleg Saprykin scored a pretty big playoff goal in 2007 and I don't think it helped shut people up about him. Just sayin'

Nope, it didnt. Some people will never be happy, this team could win a cup and Cheechoo score the OT winner in game 7, people would still cry about him making 3 million because of regular season production.

Again, it's gutless.

[Hoags]

Cheech sounded pretty frustrated when I heard a snippet from him on team 1200 this morning.

Feel bad for the guy, he should be doing better and obviously thinks he can.

Now on his 500th game, Brennan is taking a run at him.

Hope he scores against Calgary

Nope, it didnt. Some people will never be happy, this team could win a cup and Cheechoo score the OT winner in game 7, people would still cry about him making 3 million because of regular season production.

Again, it's gutless.

A side effect of the salary cap.

Fans and journalists are always targeting who isn't earning their salary. The higher the salary the more scrutiny, just ask Jason

Probably rooted in the general public's disdain for professional athletes and their large salaries in general.

[SeawaySensFan]

I think he figured it was so obvious that he just didn't mention Del Shannon at all.

You're right. Facts and comparables can sure get in the way of Dung on the particular player you're targeting.

[SpezDispenser]

C'mon Cheech...you can do it man. You can bulge the twine and get going.

The one thing I would heavily suggest is that he gets the left side of the PP with Spezza and Kovalev. Just stand there, don't ever move, not once, just stand there like Holmstrom - but the the left of the net and wait for an opportunity to put one top shelf. He obviously still has the shot, we've seen it, now it's time to get him onto PP1 where there's a ton of room for him. He can not longer fight for the room properly, so we need to get him in a position where it's a little easier for him.

[Hoags]

Clouston doesn't give much ice or PP time to Cheech anymore ... it's really an uphill battle for this guy to get on the board.

[hemlock]

Clouston doesn't give much ice or PP time to Cheech anymore ... it's really an uphill battle for this guy to get on the board.

This is what we Cheechoo defenders have been saying since about game 5 of the season. He's doomed to failure (scoring wise, because his effort is there), because he's not given an opportunity with guys who can help him to score with any regularity.

He was doomed to failure before he got here. That's pretty evident imo.

[SpezDispenser]

Clouston doesn't give much ice or PP time to Cheech anymore ... it's really an uphill battle for this guy to get on the board.

He's fresh by the time a PP comes along because of his limited ice time. Once and for all, if you want this guy to succeed, you need to plunk him on the left side of Spezza on the PP (because he likes to dip to one knee to receive a pass).

Get him on PP1, keep him on PP1, maybe he gets hot, maybe not, but you can't find out without him being on PP1 for a long, long time.

You hear Sens coaches? You read this site I'm sure: put him on PP1.

[SeawaySensFan]

Yeah, but you don't want to upset PP1. It's soooooooo awesome.

Besides, there's only one player on the whole roster you move heaven and earth for to "get him going".

[Hoags]

Spez, Cheech gets 20 seconds of PP time (if any), which is time for one good rush. If Clouston had any intention of making him a cornerstone on our PP he'd have done so by now.

Clouston values speed in his system and it's obvious Cheech has no place here. He should be traded/waived/bought out. It's possible he could be successful on another team with another coach/system.

But he has no place here and Clouston hasn't shown the slightest intention of giving him a bigger role. We won 11 straight with Cheech on the 4th line, even more reason for CC to keep him there.

It doesn't matter if Cheech can be a succesful NHL player again, he will most certainly not do it here in Ottawa.

[SpezDispenser]

Yeah Hoags, I can believe that. He needs to play on PP1 to have any success.

[sens4win]

Spez, Cheech gets 20 seconds of PP time (if any), which is time for one good rush. If Clouston had any intention of making him a cornerstone on our PP he'd have done so by now.

Clouston values speed in his system and it's obvious Cheech has no place here. He should be traded/waived/bought out. It's possible he could be successful on another team with another coach/system.

But he has no place here and Clouston hasn't shown the slightest intention of giving him a bigger role. We won 11 straight with Cheech on the 4th line, even more reason for CC to keep him there.

It doesn't matter if Cheech can be a succesful NHL player again, he will most certainly not do it here in Ottawa.

you pretty much summed it up right there, i almost feel bad for him, he just shouldn't be here

[marakh]

Clouston is a pretty fair coach. If Cheechoo has a good game, you can be sure he's gonna get some minutes with one of the 2 first lines later in the game. If he hasn't , it means he didn't deserve one yet.

[Hoags]

Clouston is a pretty fair coach. If Cheechoo has a good game, you can be sure he's gonna get some minutes with one of the 2 first lines later in the game. If he hasn't , it means he didn't deserve one yet.

Cheech does play a good hard working game, which is why he hasn't been benched yet.

I think his lack of speed means Clouston doesn't want him on the top 6 or PP for any extended period of time.

Shannon has consistently gotten more chances at the top 6 over Cheech, even though they put up similar numbers. Clouston wants speed in the top 6.

Cheech has zero chance of success here, he can score a hat trick and I'll bet he'll still get 4th line minutes tops.

[sens4win]

Clouston is a pretty fair coach. If Cheechoo has a good game, you can be sure he's gonna get some minutes with one of the 2 first lines later in the game. If he hasn't , it means he didn't deserve one yet.

Cheech does play a good hard working game, which is why he hasn't been benched yet.

I think his lack of speed means Clouston doesn't want him on the top 6 or PP for any extended period of time.

Shannon has consistently gotten more chances at the top 6 over Cheech, even though they put up similar numbers. Clouston wants speed in the top 6.

Cheech has zero chance of success here, he can score a hat trick and I'll bet he'll still get 4th line minutes tops.

if he ever gets a hat trick with the minutes he plays i will give every person on this site +1

[Hoags]

if he ever gets a hat trick with the minutes he plays i will give every person on this site +1

Yeah fat chance he'll get a hat trick.

I don't think Clouston wants a speedy opposing forward blowing by Cheechoo for a goal which is why he limits his ice time.

[SeawaySensFan]

if he ever gets a hat trick with the minutes he plays i will give every person on this site +1

Yeah fat chance he'll get a hat trick.

I don't think Clouston wants a speedy opposing forward blowing by Cheechoo for a goal which is why he limits his ice time.

Cheechoo is too busy cycling the puck in the offensive zone with his linemates for that to happen.

[Cap'n Clutch]

What is is depreciation at? Please provide an update.

Thanks in advance.

[SeawaySensFan]

What is is depreciation at? Please provide an update.

Thanks in advance.

He's worth about as much as a late-model Toyota right now.

[Hoags]

He's worth about as much as a late-model Toyota right now.

Too bad he doesn't have a stuck accelerator

[sens4win]

What is is depreciation at? Please provide an update.

Thanks in advance.

He's worth about as much as a late-model Toyota right now.

when does he hit ferrari worthy ?