Dany Heatley quick hits

Zoolander wrote:
I would bet money he doesnt sit out. He has no leverage. He isn't an RFA with no contract. He has a valid contract. If he sits, he doesn't get paid, and lessens the opinion of him in potential suitors. It's one thing to sit out without a contract when a team holds your rights. In that case, it's basically your only move. But unless Heatley is prepared to basically ruin his reputation FOR FREE, he isn't sitting. It's just not happening.

How much more can his reputation handle after *his parents' neighbor* wrote to the newspaper to leave poor Dany alone? He's going to get a rough ride in pre-season from young guys trying to make it to the NHL just to play for the league minimum.

Just to change topic.....What could be the trade package for/from Edmonton to acquire Heatley? You have to figure in that if Calgary is upping the ante, Edmo cant be that far off from making their own waves.

Zoolander wrote:

I would bet money he doesnt sit out. He has no leverage. He isn't an RFA with no contract. He has a valid contract. If he sits, he doesn't get paid, and lessens the opinion of him in potential suitors. It's one thing to sit out without a contract when a team holds your rights. In that case, it's basically your only move. But unless Heatley is prepared to basically ruin his reputation FOR FREE, he isn't sitting. It's just not happening.

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There are reports that this deal with the Rangers will be done tonight.

Apparently, they were talking at the draft (as seen on tv) and moving one of Drury or Gomez was key and Montreal were waiting to see what other options they had.

I'm still being told it's nowhere near what we were expecting. Perhaps Dubinsky and zherdev

Dubinski, Zherdev and what? There better be a pick because they're not taking any salary back.

Maybe Montreal wants Smith and Schubert?

Zherdev and Kovy together?  Hmm...could be interesting and could be extremely frustrating to watch...Dubi replaces Vermette I guess but you would have to think they'd be throwing a 1st in there as well......either way, I don't think Murray considers this one for more than a few minutes.

wprager wrote:Dubinski, Zherdev and what? There better be a pick because they're not taking any salary back.

Maybe Montreal wants Smith and Schubert?

They better include more than that, I like Dubinsky yes, I absolutely despise a player like Zherdev, but then again, with Kovy here, who knows how russians will react? Kovy being here is good for Zubov, maybe he won't bolt to the KHL.

jamvan wrote:I'm still being told it's nowhere near what we were expecting. Perhaps Dubinsky and zherdev

Nowhere near what we were expecting???

Does that mean in terms of quality coming back? Or just differentet names than we were hearing earlier? Hopefully not a combination of both?????

notch4077 wrote:

jamvan wrote:I'm still being told it's nowhere near what we were expecting. Perhaps Dubinsky and zherdev

Nowhere near what we were expecting???

Does that mean in terms of quality coming back? Or just differentet names than we were hearing earlier? Hopefully not a combination of both?????

I guess if our expectations were a good, but unproven, forward and a piece of Dung Dubinsky and Zherdev would fit the bill for sure.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

notch4077 wrote:

jamvan wrote:I'm still being told it's nowhere near what we were expecting. Perhaps Dubinsky and zherdev

Nowhere near what we were expecting???

Does that mean in terms of quality coming back? Or just differentet names than we were hearing earlier? Hopefully not a combination of both?????

I guess if our expectations were a good, but unproven, forward and a piece of Dung Dubinsky and Zherdev would fit the bill for sure.

Just to note, this rumour was from June 30th. Rangers are not at all interested anymore.

Thank god.

TheAvatar wrote:Thank god.

we are in no rush when it comes to heatley, as long as he is dealt prior to the season starting, so Murray can sit back and let other GM's come to him.

Neely4Life wrote:
A trade would ma ma ma ma make me.... haaaaaappy.

Hahahaha. One of the funniest movies in years. Robert Downey Jr was the Dung in that movie. I almost pissed myself everytime Tom Cruise came on.

If you're a fan of Chris Farley's "Motivational Speaker" skits from SNL you'll find this amusing:
http://the6thsens.blogspot.com/2009/07/dany-heatley-meets-with-motivational.html

I find the lack of credible swirlings troubling.

SensBuzz has posted the following:

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Late midnight, I had been informed that the Minnesota Wild have put forth an offer that may be too good to pass. The Wild are the third team to offer a package for the servcies of Dany Heatley. The first two were the Oilers and the Sharks. Bryan Murray is trying to get a Top 4 Defenseman and a Second Line Centre out of it. Ther two positiosn are the Sens' most glaring needs currently. So, do you want know the offer? Drum roll pleaase! Ba dum ba!

Wild acquire: Dany Heatley
Senators acquire: Marek Zidlicky, Pierre-Marc Bouchard, 5th round pick in 2010

So, just to preview the previous two offers made for Heatley...

Oilers acquire: Dany Heatley, Jason Smith
Senators acquire: Andrew Cogliano, Dustin Penner, Denis Grebeshkov

Sharks acquire: Dany Heatley, Chris Kelly
Senators acquire: Joe Pavelski, Marc-Edouard Vlasic, 3rd round pick
"

Just for fun ( assuming thee are remotely true) what would YOU choose if you were Murray...err...Melynk (as he's probably making the call on this one)

my personal choice would be for the Edmonton deal.....but we all know how that went!

Thoughts?

BigRig77 wrote:SensBuzz has posted the following:

"
Late midnight, I had been informed that the Minnesota Wild have put forth an offer that may be too good to pass. The Wild are the third team to offer a package for the servcies of Dany Heatley. The first two were the Oilers and the Sharks. Bryan Murray is trying to get a Top 4 Defenseman and a Second Line Centre out of it. Ther two positiosn are the Sens' most glaring needs currently. So, do you want know the offer? Drum roll pleaase! Ba dum ba!

Wild acquire: Dany Heatley
Senators acquire: Marek Zidlicky, Pierre-Marc Bouchard, 5th round pick in 2010

So, just to preview the previous two offers made for Heatley...

Oilers acquire: Dany Heatley, Jason Smith
Senators acquire: Andrew Cogliano, Dustin Penner, Denis Grebeshkov

Sharks acquire: Dany Heatley, Chris Kelly
Senators acquire: Joe Pavelski, Marc-Edouard Vlasic, 3rd round pick
"

Just for fun ( assuming thee are remotely true) what would YOU choose if you were Murray...err...Melynk (as he's probably making the call on this one)

my personal choice would be for the Edmonton deal.....but we all know how that went!

Thoughts?

I don't want to be cynical, but after the Auld/Russell rumour, and after reading other comments on that site, I have a hard time putting much stock in the info put forth on SensBuzz.

Anyway, not a great return at all, especially since we get jack in terms of picks / prospects, but at least Zidlicky would come off the books next year if he doesn't figure in long term.

That means that this potential deal has at least the benefit of cap flexibility looking forward, which the EDM deal (with the Penner anchor) did not. Personally, tho', PMB is not a player I'm really interested in.

I'm not even sure why Murray would really press for another defenceman. We have far too many already and have three great players in the pipeline. I would much rather have a couple of forwards in the deal.

rooneypoo wrote:

BigRig77 wrote:SensBuzz has posted the following:

"
Late midnight, I had been informed that the Minnesota Wild have put forth an offer that may be too good to pass. The Wild are the third team to offer a package for the servcies of Dany Heatley. The first two were the Oilers and the Sharks. Bryan Murray is trying to get a Top 4 Defenseman and a Second Line Centre out of it. Ther two positiosn are the Sens' most glaring needs currently. So, do you want know the offer? Drum roll pleaase! Ba dum ba!

Wild acquire: Dany Heatley
Senators acquire: Marek Zidlicky, Pierre-Marc Bouchard, 5th round pick in 2010

So, just to preview the previous two offers made for Heatley...

Oilers acquire: Dany Heatley, Jason Smith
Senators acquire: Andrew Cogliano, Dustin Penner, Denis Grebeshkov

Sharks acquire: Dany Heatley, Chris Kelly
Senators acquire: Joe Pavelski, Marc-Edouard Vlasic, 3rd round pick
"

Just for fun ( assuming thee are remotely true) what would YOU choose if you were Murray...err...Melynk (as he's probably making the call on this one)

my personal choice would be for the Edmonton deal.....but we all know how that went!

Thoughts?

I don't want to be cynical, but after the Auld/Russell rumour, and after reading other comments on that site, I have a hard time putting much stock in the info put forth on SensBuzz.

Anyway, not a great return at all, especially since we get jack in terms of picks / prospects, but at least Zidlicky would come off the books next year if he doesn't figure in long term.

That means that this potential deal has at least the benefit of cap flexibility looking forward, which the EDM deal (with the Penner anchor) did not. Personally, tho', PMB is not a player I'm really interested in.

totally agree....

"even though" it was mentioned on that site, I DO believe it makes sense for Colorado to be in on Heately as they've cleared some Cap space, missed on the Free agents, AND Sakic is retiring.....

at this point, I'm not hoping for a whole lot....that way I'm not going to be upset when don't get the moon for Dany....

something like...Wolski, 1st Rd 2010, 1st rd 2011

I'm more inclined to conisder Kovalev as part of the return so let's get some picks!
Especially the 1st RD for 2010 cause I think they're going to be in the bottom again next year with or wthout Heater.

I think the San Jose deal would be best for the Sens, although there is no chance it will ever happen with San Jose's current cap situation. This trade would push San Jose to just under $4M over the cap.

But for the Sens, we'd get a solid young 2 way defenceman, and an underrated 2 way top 6 forward. Both still very young. And on top of that, we'd have over $5M in cap space remaining.

But there is no way that the Sharks would do this trade.

Mojo wrote:I'm not even sure why Murray would really press for another defenceman. We have far too many already and have three great players in the pipeline. I would much rather have a couple of forwards in the deal.

DO we have enough that will start this year though and be good?

Bass Destruction wrote:I think the San Jose deal would be best for the Sens, although there is no chance it will ever happen with San Jose's current cap situation. This trade would push San Jose to just under $4M over the cap.

But for the Sens, we'd get a solid young 2 way defenceman, and an underrated 2 way top 6 forward. Both still very young. And on top of that, we'd have over $5M in cap space remaining.

But there is no way that the Sharks would do this trade.

That Sj deal was easily the best there. That Minn deal was close to awful. Another left handed, puck movin D man... how about nooooo.

I would call Sedigutchi a 2 way forward though, if anything he is very unreliable in his own end. But I agree, that SJ deal would be VERY tough to pass up if that was actually the deal... maybe a 2nd round pick though.

Neely4Life wrote:

Bass Destruction wrote:I think the San Jose deal would be best for the Sens, although there is no chance it will ever happen with San Jose's current cap situation. This trade would push San Jose to just under $4M over the cap.

But for the Sens, we'd get a solid young 2 way defenceman, and an underrated 2 way top 6 forward. Both still very young. And on top of that, we'd have over $5M in cap space remaining.

But there is no way that the Sharks would do this trade.

That Sj deal was easily the best there. That Minn deal was close to awful. Another left handed, puck movin D man... how about nooooo.

I would call Sedigutchi a 2 way forward though, if anything he is very unreliable in his own end. But I agree, that SJ deal would be VERY tough to pass up if that was actually the deal... maybe a 2nd round pick though.

The trade didn't mention Setoguchi, it mentioned Pavelski. But I agree about Seto. He has more offensive upside than Pavelski though. I would still prefer Pavelski of the two though, as he is a solid PKer, was 56.3% in the faceoff circle, and still has offensive upside, especially if he had Kovalev on his wing. He'd be a very good addition to this team, in my opinion.

Zidlicky, Bouchard and a 5th? How about no?

Then that is my fault isnt? hahaha. I like Seto playing beside Alfi and Spezza honestly, Alfi is GOD and he will make up for the defense woe's Seto might have, plus I think this year will be the year people take notice of Spezza besides in the offensive zone. All signs are pointing towards him ACTUALLY turning it around... this is his team and I think he knows that.

Anyways, fuc king trade the guy already.

SpezDispenser wrote:Zidlicky, Bouchard and a 5th? How about no?

Haha, seriously, if that's too good to turn down then BM must be a pimp.

Bass Destruction wrote:The trade didn't mention Setoguchi, it mentioned Pavelski. But I agree about Seto. He has more offensive upside than Pavelski though. I would still prefer Pavelski of the two though, as he is a solid PKer, was 56.3% in the faceoff circle, and still has offensive upside, especially if he had Kovalev on his wing. He'd be a very good addition to this team, in my opinion.

The only thing I would insist on is naming him "The Gooch" like the bully on Diff'rent Strokes.

SpezDispenser wrote:Zidlicky, Bouchard and a 5th? How about no?

seriously.....


whatever the deal turns out to be...I want at LEAST a 1st Rd pick involved and some good players?

Dont need a 1st, but at least a 2nd rounder, hopefully a 3rd or 4th with it, which I would prefere anyways. Sens are doing well with their mid round picks so...

Neely4Life wrote:Dont need a 1st, but at least a 2nd rounder, hopefully a 3rd or 4th with it, which I would prefere anyways. Sens are doing well with their mid round picks so...

yeah but the way COL is shaping up, their 2010 1st could be another lottery pick

Oh, Colorado I would want the 1st, no doubt. SJ not so much.

None of those deals look especially good and the San Jose deal isn't even plausible relative to the cap.

Ya, well if I have learned anything from the NHL since the lockout it's that teams worry about the cap during training camp and not before.

rooneypoo wrote:

BigRig77 wrote:SensBuzz has posted the following:

"
Late midnight, I had been informed that the Minnesota Wild have put forth an offer that may be too good to pass. The Wild are the third team to offer a package for the servcies of Dany Heatley. The first two were the Oilers and the Sharks. Bryan Murray is trying to get a Top 4 Defenseman and a Second Line Centre out of it. Ther two positiosn are the Sens' most glaring needs currently. So, do you want know the offer? Drum roll pleaase! Ba dum ba!

Wild acquire: Dany Heatley
Senators acquire: Marek Zidlicky, Pierre-Marc Bouchard, 5th round pick in 2010

So, just to preview the previous two offers made for Heatley...

Oilers acquire: Dany Heatley, Jason Smith
Senators acquire: Andrew Cogliano, Dustin Penner, Denis Grebeshkov

Sharks acquire: Dany Heatley, Chris Kelly
Senators acquire: Joe Pavelski, Marc-Edouard Vlasic, 3rd round pick
"

Just for fun ( assuming thee are remotely true) what would YOU choose if you were Murray...err...Melynk (as he's probably making the call on this one)

my personal choice would be for the Edmonton deal.....but we all know how that went!

Thoughts?

I don't want to be cynical, but after the Auld/Russell rumour, and after reading other comments on that site, I have a hard time putting much stock in the info put forth on SensBuzz.

Anyway, not a great return at all, especially since we get jack in terms of picks / prospects, but at least Zidlicky would come off the books next year if he doesn't figure in long term.

That means that this potential deal has at least the benefit of cap flexibility looking forward, which the EDM deal (with the Penner anchor) did not. Personally, tho', PMB is not a player I'm really interested in.

Nobody knows anything about the Sens organization. Its so abundantly clear that I'm shocked at my own willingness to read bs rumours of H-buzz or S-buzz or S-chirp or any other site that claims to have info they undoubtedly do not...

Since the Jason Williams saga of last summer, no one has predicted anything. Sure some random people on HF or here get a nugget occasionally a mere hour or two prior to it becoming public knowledge, but the reality is that the details of negotiations are not going to come spilling into the public.

No one saw the Kovalev signing coming and no one predicted the Oilers deal. Its been the same since the gag order came down and somehow we all keep fooling ourselves into believing we're privy to anything other than simple speculation.

(ROFL @ the Auld for Russell rumour followed by Auld for 6th )

How would you guys like a Horton and Weiss for Heatley and Smith deal?

BigRig77 wrote:SensBuzz has posted the following:

"
Late midnight, I had been informed that the Minnesota Wild have put forth an offer that may be too good to pass. The Wild are the third team to offer a package for the servcies of Dany Heatley. The first two were the Oilers and the Sharks. Bryan Murray is trying to get a Top 4 Defenseman and a Second Line Centre out of it. Ther two positiosn are the Sens' most glaring needs currently. So, do you want know the offer? Drum roll pleaase! Ba dum ba!

Wild acquire: Dany Heatley
Senators acquire: Marek Zidlicky, Pierre-Marc Bouchard, 5th round pick in 2010

So, just to preview the previous two offers made for Heatley...

Oilers acquire: Dany Heatley, Jason Smith
Senators acquire: Andrew Cogliano, Dustin Penner, Denis Grebeshkov

Sharks acquire: Dany Heatley, Chris Kelly
Senators acquire: Joe Pavelski, Marc-Edouard Vlasic, 3rd round pick
"

Just for fun ( assuming thee are remotely true) what would YOU choose if you were Murray...err...Melynk (as he's probably making the call on this one)

my personal choice would be for the Edmonton deal.....but we all know how that went!

Thoughts?

Bouchard doesn't even play center so if Murray was looking for a 2nd line center then that wouldn't work.

The Oilers deal would be okay but we would be taking back a lot of cap when you consider Grebeshkov still needs to be signed.

The Sharks deal is probably the best one for us but I can't see the Sharks pulling the trigger on that one considering their cap situation.

jamvan wrote:How would you guys like a Horton and Weiss for Heatley and Smith deal?

Can we throw in a draft pick Seriously though I'd love Horton in a Sens Uni for sure.

jamvan wrote:How would you guys like a Horton and Weiss for Heatley and Smith deal?

I'd like it but would Heatley waive his NMC to go to Florida?

I don't think the Panthers would do that anyway.

jamvan wrote:How would you guys like a Horton and Weiss for Heatley and Smith deal?

Could work for both sides. I bet we'd have to add Kelly and take a pick back or something.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

jamvan wrote:How would you guys like a Horton and Weiss for Heatley and Smith deal?

Can we throw in a draft pick Seriously though I'd love Horton in a Sens Uni for sure.

Can we throw in a little no way he waives to go to FLA?

jamvan wrote:How would you guys like a Horton and Weiss for Heatley and Smith deal?

That trade = championship season in Ottawa.

And I'm not even sure that's a joke to be honest. That trade could easily put the Sens over the top.

Kovalev - Spezza - Horton (~250 points)(~110 goals)
Alfredsson - Weiss - Foligno (~175 points)(~70 goals)
Fisher - Kelly - Shannon/Regin (~120 points)(~50 goals)
Neil - Winchester - Ruutu (~50 points)(~20 goals)

Extras: Donovan, Bass, Shannon/Regin

That's something close to 250 goals from just your forwards. And I don't think it's a stretch to imagine Kuba, Lee, Campoli, Phillips, Picard, Volchenkov and possibly Karlsson pitching in another 40 goals and 150 points.

jamvan wrote:

Mojo wrote:I'm not even sure why Murray would really press for another defenceman. We have far too many already and have three great players in the pipeline. I would much rather have a couple of forwards in the deal.

DO we have enough that will start this year though and be good?

Personally I am content with our current blueline. I am not expecting the team to compete for the Cup next year. We do have a few guys that need to gain some experience back there. If we bring in another guy, he will only impede the development of someone else.

jamvan wrote:How would you guys like a Horton and Weiss for Heatley and Smith deal?

I'd be all over this. Done and done.