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Jonathan Cheechoo Depreciation Thread

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Jonathan Cheechoo Depreciation Thread

Post by Guest on Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:09 am

So we have long passed the 20 game mark and it is time to call a spade a spade. We all know that Cheechoo was the guy we had to take because San Jose recognized him as a useless cap drag. He has the smell of washed up career all over him and it ain't coming off. Sure he works hard and he has great hands but he can't get to the scoring spots, he has the stamina of a ‘Biggest Loser’ contestant and he is too shattered in terms of confidence to do anything but fire the puck wide.

His presence brings the stench of 'just not good enough' to the locker room. That stench is poison. He has to go. The only thing I can liken it to in terms of the real world is a salesman who can’t sell, same thing with a goal scorer who can’t score. There is no other way to put it. The guy is a leech sucking the life out of a host. No point having him around.

I am tired of watching the painful death throes of his career as it crumbles around him. Murray please waive him and send him to Bingo. There he could at least be appreciated for his ‘hard work’ and ‘great guy in the room’ BS. He is no longer an NHLer and the sooner he is gone from the club, the sooner we can get some young hungry blood back in the mix. A side of Z. Smith anyone?

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Re: Jonathan Cheechoo Depreciation Thread

Post by DirtyDave on Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:26 am

He's the Michael Scott of the NHL. I agree with your comments.. why take up the spot of a rookie? or even Donovan.

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Re: Jonathan Cheechoo Depreciation Thread

Post by Kovalfie on Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:37 am

A Michael Scott eh? Michael Scott at least provides comedic relief.

I'd say he's more the Meg Griffin of the NHL...

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Re: Jonathan Cheechoo Depreciation Thread

Post by Guest on Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:38 am

DirtyDave wrote:He's the Michael Scott of the NHL. I agree with your comments.. why take up the spot of a rookie? or even Donovan.


Michael Scott

Cheechoo simply doesn't bring the skillset to be a fourth line player. You need an energy guy who is going to go out and bang bodies, create havoc, maybe even get a dirty goal?!

Cheechoo also doesn't play at an NHL level for top line forwards either. There is no place for him here. Having him around just forces Clouston to play him based on salary, which isn't fair to him or the rest of the team.

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Re: Jonathan Cheechoo Depreciation Thread

Post by Guest on Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:41 am



I think Scott plays a different position but has the same devotion and skill level.

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Re: Jonathan Cheechoo Depreciation Thread

Post by Cap'n Clutch on Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:43 am

Well we saw how the Sens handled Gerber. I expect that they'll wait it out as long as they can to lessen the financial and cap impact.

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Re: Jonathan Cheechoo Depreciation Thread

Post by Guest on Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:53 am

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Well we saw how the Sens handled Gerber. I expect that they'll wait it out as long as they can to lessen the financial and cap impact.


I sure as hell hope not. These kind of 'nice guys' who no longer belong in the league but have big salaries are killing us.

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Post by Cap'n Clutch on Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:56 am

I wouldn't hold your breath. I think the best case scenario will see us buy him out in the summer.

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Re: Jonathan Cheechoo Depreciation Thread

Post by Hoags on Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:35 am

Cap'n Clutch wrote:I wouldn't hold your breath. I think the best case scenario will see us buy him out in the summer.


I'm not sure Murray will buy him out. We're already paying Paddock, Hartsburg, Schubert and Heatley's $4M for personnel who are not working for the Sens. I can see Melnyk balking at that. We might do the same with Cheech as Schubert if another expresses interest. Murray just seems to nice to do that.

Clouston doesn't seem to have a problem with Cheech (except his lack of production obviously). You can't question Cheech's work ethic and dedication. I think he's 5th on the team in shots on goal and he does get a decent amount of chances. Obviously playing on the 3rd/4th lines he's not gonna enough. He had a couple of good ones against the Sharks.

At this time I still think the Sens are better off trying to get Cheech going, try him with Spezza and Kovalev again he had some success in the limited time they had together.

Cheech needs a playmaker to play with, I see him in the slot quite a lot if he's not in front of the net as a screen. His 1st goal from Kovalev is the kind of goals he produces, I don't think anyone expects Kelly and Ruutu to feed him passes.

I don't see him doing much for the Sens if he's not with a talented centre (which Kelly is not).

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Re: Jonathan Cheechoo Depreciation Thread

Post by SpezDispenser on Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:40 am

Last night was his night to play with Michalek and Spezza for a while - and he looked great, but then he went into his typical lapse (can't skate). I would say that was life 6 of his 9 lives.

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Re: Jonathan Cheechoo Depreciation Thread

Post by asq2 on Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:00 pm

Hoags wrote:
Cap'n Clutch wrote:I wouldn't hold your breath. I think the best case scenario will see us buy him out in the summer.


I'm not sure Murray will buy him out. We're already paying Paddock, Hartsburg, Schubert and Heatley's $4M for personnel who are not working for the Sens. I can see Melnyk balking at that.


Are we paying Schubert? Was it re-entry waivers that the Thrashers picked him up off of?

Don't forget Emery, by the way.

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Re: Jonathan Cheechoo Depreciation Thread

Post by hemlock on Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:13 pm

Wow. The guy's skating is terrible and we are ready to write him off less than a 1/3 of a season into his Ottawa tenure? Most of which btw, was spent playing with grinders and not players who would actually make use of his skillset.

He's a hard worker, is good along the boards, does his job without complaint even though he wasn't given much of a chance to play with anyone who could help him produce.

Where are the Depreciation Threads for Kovalev, Campoli and to a lesser extent Spezza? Cheechoo's fate in Ottawa was sealed before he even arrived it seems. It's a shame he makes what he does, because if he was making a million this wouldn't be an issue, unlike Campoli and Kovalev (most of the time).

Like a few others have mentioned, Eugene is paying several people to be elsewhere. I would be surprised if he does the same with Cheechoo, at least this season.

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Re: Jonathan Cheechoo Depreciation Thread

Post by shabbs on Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:14 pm

asq2 wrote:
Hoags wrote:
Cap'n Clutch wrote:I wouldn't hold your breath. I think the best case scenario will see us buy him out in the summer.


I'm not sure Murray will buy him out. We're already paying Paddock, Hartsburg, Schubert and Heatley's $4M for personnel who are not working for the Sens. I can see Melnyk balking at that.


Are we paying Schubert? Was it re-entry waivers that the Thrashers picked him up off of?

Don't forget Emery, by the way.

Yes we are still paying Schubie. $441,666 this season.

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Re: Jonathan Cheechoo Depreciation Thread

Post by hemlock on Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:19 pm

shabbs wrote:
asq2 wrote:
Hoags wrote:
Cap'n Clutch wrote:I wouldn't hold your breath. I think the best case scenario will see us buy him out in the summer.


I'm not sure Murray will buy him out. We're already paying Paddock, Hartsburg, Schubert and Heatley's $4M for personnel who are not working for the Sens. I can see Melnyk balking at that.


Are we paying Schubert? Was it re-entry waivers that the Thrashers picked him up off of?

Don't forget Emery, by the way.

Yes we are still paying Schubie. $441,666 this season.


Technically, we are paying Alfie a buyout on top of his salary as well.

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Re: Jonathan Cheechoo Depreciation Thread

Post by Hoags on Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:19 pm

hemlock wrote:Wow. The guy's skating is terrible and we are ready to write him off less than a 1/3 of a season into his Ottawa tenure? Most of which btw, was spent playing with grinders and not players who would actually make use of his skillset.

He's a hard worker, is good along the boards, does his job without complaint even though he wasn't given much of a chance to play with anyone who could help him produce.

Where are the Depreciation Threads for Kovalev, Campoli and to a lesser extent Spezza? Cheechoo's fate in Ottawa was sealed before he even arrived it seems. It's a shame he makes what he does, because if he was making a million this wouldn't be an issue, unlike Campoli and Kovalev (most of the time).

Like a few others have mentioned, Eugene is paying several people to be elsewhere. I would be surprised if he does the same with Cheechoo, at least this season.


Great post.

I'd also add Foligno, Shannon and Regin to the list of underachievers. Kovalev had a good game against the Sharks actually, overall his play has been improving in the last few games so I'd give AK27 a brief respite for now

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Re: Jonathan Cheechoo Depreciation Thread

Post by hemlock on Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:23 pm

Hoags wrote:
hemlock wrote:Wow. The guy's skating is terrible and we are ready to write him off less than a 1/3 of a season into his Ottawa tenure? Most of which btw, was spent playing with grinders and not players who would actually make use of his skillset.

He's a hard worker, is good along the boards, does his job without complaint even though he wasn't given much of a chance to play with anyone who could help him produce.

Where are the Depreciation Threads for Kovalev, Campoli and to a lesser extent Spezza? Cheechoo's fate in Ottawa was sealed before he even arrived it seems. It's a shame he makes what he does, because if he was making a million this wouldn't be an issue, unlike Campoli and Kovalev (most of the time).

Like a few others have mentioned, Eugene is paying several people to be elsewhere. I would be surprised if he does the same with Cheechoo, at least this season.


Great post.

I'd also add Foligno, Shannon and Regin to the list of underachievers. Kovalev had a good game against the Sharks actually, overall his play has been improving in the last few games so I'd give AK27 a brief respite for now


For now being the key with Kovalev. He runs so hot and cold, and disappears without warning. He's not exactly lighting it up either. He's on pace for 44 points. Not nearly good enough for $5 million.

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Re: Jonathan Cheechoo Depreciation Thread

Post by Guest on Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:29 pm

A lot of other guys that I would complain about over Cheechoo.

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Post by Guest on Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:36 pm

hemlock wrote:Wow. The guy's skating is terrible and we are ready to write him off less than a 1/3 of a season into his Ottawa tenure? Most of which btw, was spent playing with grinders and not players who would actually make use of his skillset.

He's a hard worker, is good along the boards, does his job without complaint even though he wasn't given much of a chance to play with anyone who could help him produce.

Where are the Depreciation Threads for Kovalev, Campoli and to a lesser extent Spezza? Cheechoo's fate in Ottawa was sealed before he even arrived it seems. It's a shame he makes what he does, because if he was making a million this wouldn't be an issue, unlike Campoli and Kovalev (most of the time).

Like a few others have mentioned, Eugene is paying several people to be elsewhere. I would be surprised if he does the same with Cheechoo, at least this season.


If he was making a million he wouldn't be here. San Jose would have bought him out last year. He is awkward at best, sure hard worker *cough* Gerber *cough*... sure great in the room *cough* Gerber *cough*... but at the end of the day he was a goal scorer now he is a non-NHL talent player taking up a roster spot on our club.

Lack of confidence is like gangrene, you have to cut it off before it spreads. Wilson and Murray tried hard to sell us on how hard he was working and how this fresh start could turn him around... well it is not.

When you say..."He's a hard worker, is good along the boards, does his job without complaint even though he wasn't given much of a chance to play with anyone who could help him produce."...you are also describing Peter Schaeffer, who was bought out @ $2.7M by the Bruins.

This guy at least has to see the game from a different vantage point, like the pressbox. Michalek's finish was awesome last night in his chance to show his old team what they were missing. The baggage he brought with him also showed San Jose what they were missing.

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Re: Jonathan Cheechoo Depreciation Thread

Post by SeawaySensFan on Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:42 pm

N4L wrote:A lot of other guys that I would complain about over Cheechoo.


Michalek is looking like he would have been good one for one with Heatley. Kind of a pleasant surprise there. So Choochoo's hard work is good enough for me.

"Experts" insist he's had ample opportunity to play on the PP and other situations with playmakers but that's a crock of Dung.

I'm sure the Jackets would take him in a bigger deal if we took Modin.

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Post by SpezDispenser on Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:47 pm

Screw the hard worker BS, we're not in a position to be paying someone 3 million dollars to 'work hard'. We have guys in Bingo like Z.Smith who are dying for their chance to work hard. Sorry that I don't have compassion for Cheechoo - I actually do feel badly for him - but if he doesn't start connecting - and soon - then of course we'll buy him out. There's no chance we can have another expensive 4th liner on this team. It was bad enough before Cheechoo got here.

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Re: Jonathan Cheechoo Depreciation Thread

Post by Guest on Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:50 pm

SpezDispenser wrote:Screw the hard worker BS, we're not in a position to be paying someone 3 million dollars to 'work hard'. We have guys in Bingo like Z.Smith who are dying for their chance to work hard. Sorry that I don't have compassion for Cheechoo - I actually do feel badly for him - but if he doesn't start connecting - and soon - then of course we'll buy him out. There's no chance we can have another expensive 4th liner on this team. It was bad enough before Cheechoo got here.


Naw, we're paying them 7 million.

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Post by SpezDispenser on Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:54 pm

N4L wrote:
Naw, we're paying them 7 million.


Pfft please. Spezza has more skill in his right hand than Cheechoo does at this stage. At least Spezza has broken the 5 point plateau.

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Re: Jonathan Cheechoo Depreciation Thread

Post by Hoags on Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:55 pm

Cheech has had some good chances and hit a couple of posts and crossbars which is more than some of our forwards can say.

Clouston says it best "If Jonathan didn't have bad luck, he wouldn't have any luck at all", this is why Cheech hasn't been benched yet.

I'm as frustrated with him as anyone but I don't think there's much else to do at this point.

I don't think Z.Smith will do much for us either, we called up Keller and he hasnt done anything out there either.

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Post by SeawaySensFan on Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:56 pm

SpezDispenser wrote:Screw the hard worker BS, we're not in a position to be paying someone 3 million dollars to 'work hard'. We have guys in Bingo like Z.Smith who are dying for their chance to work hard. Sorry that I don't have compassion for Cheechoo - I actually do feel badly for him - but if he doesn't start connecting - and soon - then of course we'll buy him out. There's no chance we can have another expensive 4th liner on this team. It was bad enough before Cheechoo got here.


It always works for Mike Fisher and Hands of Stone Kelly.

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Re: Jonathan Cheechoo Depreciation Thread

Post by hemlock on Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:57 pm

MurderOnIce wrote:
hemlock wrote:Wow. The guy's skating is terrible and we are ready to write him off less than a 1/3 of a season into his Ottawa tenure? Most of which btw, was spent playing with grinders and not players who would actually make use of his skillset.

He's a hard worker, is good along the boards, does his job without complaint even though he wasn't given much of a chance to play with anyone who could help him produce.

Where are the Depreciation Threads for Kovalev, Campoli and to a lesser extent Spezza? Cheechoo's fate in Ottawa was sealed before he even arrived it seems. It's a shame he makes what he does, because if he was making a million this wouldn't be an issue, unlike Campoli and Kovalev (most of the time).

Like a few others have mentioned, Eugene is paying several people to be elsewhere. I would be surprised if he does the same with Cheechoo, at least this season.


If he was making a million he wouldn't be here. San Jose would have bought him out last year. He is awkward at best, sure hard worker *cough* Gerber *cough*... sure great in the room *cough* Gerber *cough*... but at the end of the day he was a goal scorer now he is a non-NHL talent player taking up a roster spot on our club.

Lack of confidence is like gangrene, you have to cut it off before it spreads. Wilson and Murray tried hard to sell us on how hard he was working and how this fresh start could turn him around... well it is not.

When you say..."He's a hard worker, is good along the boards, does his job without complaint even though he wasn't given much of a chance to play with anyone who could help him produce."...you are also describing Peter Schaeffer, who was bought out @ $2.7M by the Bruins.

This guy at least has to see the game from a different vantage point, like the pressbox. Michalek's finish was awesome last night in his chance to show his old team what they were missing. The baggage he brought with him also showed San Jose what they were missing.


The difference between Schaefer and Cheechoo is that Cheechoo was once an elite scorer. Schaefer never was, not by a long shot. In fact, Cheechoo's two best seasons practically equal Schaefer's career goal output.

Do we have a source that Cheechoo's confidence is blown? Has he come out and said as much? How does putting him in the pressbox help? If the team wants to try and get him going they might try giving him more than a cup of coffee with some actual offensively talented players rather than sit him, or play with on the 4th line with pluggers.

I don't understand why it's so hard to see that he's not been given a fair shake at being successful offensively. Like I said previously, he was doomed before he even got here. It's quite clear that Murray never wanted him in the first place, so maybe, just maybe, he won't succeed here because the team has already decided he won't.

About the only thing in your post I can agree with is the point about him not being here if he was a million dollar player.

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Re: Jonathan Cheechoo Depreciation Thread

Post by hemlock on Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:59 pm

SpezDispenser wrote:Screw the hard worker BS, we're not in a position to be paying someone 3 million dollars to 'work hard'. We have guys in Bingo like Z.Smith who are dying for their chance to work hard. Sorry that I don't have compassion for Cheechoo - I actually do feel badly for him - but if he doesn't start connecting - and soon - then of course we'll buy him out. There's no chance we can have another expensive 4th liner on this team. It was bad enough before Cheechoo got here.


You really think Melnyk wants to pay him $4ish million dollars after suiting up for less than 30 games? Seriously? There are other ways to obtain cap space, like trading useless, redundant Dung like Campoli.

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Re: Jonathan Cheechoo Depreciation Thread

Post by SpezDispenser on Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:00 pm

hemlock wrote:
I don't understand why it's so hard to see that he's not been given a fair shake at being successful offensively. Like I said previously, he was doomed before he even got here. It's quite clear that Murray never wanted him in the first place, so maybe, just maybe, he won't succeed here because the team has already decided he won't.

About the only thing in your post I can agree with is the point about him not being here if he was a million dollar player.


To kind of contradict myself, this is true as well. Clouston says that he likes his work ethic and that he's just had some bad luck, but he's hesitant to staple Cheechoo to line one (which is pretty obvious to me to have the two SJ guys with Spezza). If he gave Cheechoo 15 games, starting tomorrow in LA, with Spezza an Michalek and he still didn't produce, then we'd all know that it was over.

But he doesn't give him that kind of talent to play with - nor does he give him the 18-20 minutes, nor do I notice Cheechoo out there on the PP.

There's definitely good points in there Hemlock. If he's going to succeed, he needs to be placed in a position to do so - by Clouston.

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Re: Jonathan Cheechoo Depreciation Thread

Post by hemlock on Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:02 pm

SpezDispenser wrote:
N4L wrote:
Naw, we're paying them 7 million.


Pfft please. Spezza has more skill in his right hand than Cheechoo does at this stage. At least Spezza has broken the 5 point plateau.


Spezza also sees premium ice time, as well as special teams ice time. Cheechoo is playing 3rd-4th line minutes. Hardly a fair comparison.

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Post by Guest on Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:03 pm

SpezDispenser wrote:
N4L wrote:
Naw, we're paying them 7 million.


Pfft please. Spezza has more skill in his right hand than Cheechoo does at this stage. At least Spezza has broken the 5 point plateau.


Lets give Cheechoo Spezza mins and see what happens to those points totals. PP, even stregth, and give him Alfi and Michalek as line mates.

Fact is the biggest underachiever on this team is Jason Spezza, not Cheechoo. He's playing on the 3rd or 4th line 99& of the time, at the same time he never stops working and he is a solid team guy. Everyone knew he was a salary dump, people need to gain some perspective.

Even if Cheechoo becomes a healthy scratch at some point (which I doubt because of his work ethic) he is only in Ottawa for max, until the end of next year.

If people really want to complain about a player, it's a guy makes close to 40 million for the remainder of his contract who is on pace for the exact same amount of goals as Cheechoo right now while on the 1st PP unti and playing with two of the better wingers in the league.

Cheechoo doesnt hurt The Sens at all and him being there actually creates compition within the bottom 6 forwards to stay in the lineup. Spezza, his spot is etched in stone.

There are also guys like Campoli who have also been given every shot to suceed and have bombed worse then anyone on that team. Or a guy like Lee who cant stick if he was made of glue. Even a Kovalev (who has been playing a lot better as of late). Maybe a Ryan Shannon who doesnt even have a goal (who has also gotten more PP time then Cheechoo)

Saying Cheechoo is killing The Sens or hurting them is total BS.

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Post by hemlock on Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:03 pm

SpezDispenser wrote:
hemlock wrote:
I don't understand why it's so hard to see that he's not been given a fair shake at being successful offensively. Like I said previously, he was doomed before he even got here. It's quite clear that Murray never wanted him in the first place, so maybe, just maybe, he won't succeed here because the team has already decided he won't.

About the only thing in your post I can agree with is the point about him not being here if he was a million dollar player.


To kind of contradict myself, this is true as well. Clouston says that he likes his work ethic and that he's just had some bad luck, but he's hesitant to staple Cheechoo to line one (which is pretty obvious to me to have the two SJ guys with Spezza). If he gave Cheechoo 15 games, starting tomorrow in LA, with Spezza an Michalek and he still didn't produce, then we'd all know that it was over.

But he doesn't give him that kind of talent to play with - nor does he give him the 18-20 minutes, nor do I notice Cheechoo out there on the PP.

There's definitely good points in there Hemlock. If he's going to succeed, he needs to be placed in a position to do so - by Clouston.


Clouston....don't get me started.

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hemlock wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:
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Naw, we're paying them 7 million.


Pfft please. Spezza has more skill in his right hand than Cheechoo does at this stage. At least Spezza has broken the 5 point plateau.


Spezza also sees premium ice time, as well as special teams ice time. Cheechoo is playing 3rd-4th line minutes. Hardly a fair comparison.


Same amount of goals though, hmmmm. Who's the under achiever eh...

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Post by SpezDispenser on Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:04 pm

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You really think Melnyk wants to pay him $4ish million dollars after suiting up for less than 30 games? Seriously? There are other ways to obtain cap space, like trading useless, redundant Dung like Campoli.


Don't think he cares to the extent we think he does. It sucks, but at this point he's taking losses on the Sens and writing off tax while he's at it. What he should care about in the long run is setting this team up for years of competitive teams and relying on Bryan Murray and co. to do that any way possible.

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Post by SpezDispenser on Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:05 pm

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Same amount of goals though, hmmmm. Who's the under achiever eh...


The goal-scorer.

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Post by Guest on Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:07 pm

SpezDispenser wrote:
N4L wrote:
Same amount of goals though, hmmmm. Who's the under achiever eh...


The goal-scorer.


You seem to have yourself convinced of that.

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Post by hemlock on Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:07 pm

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N4L wrote:
Same amount of goals though, hmmmm. Who's the under achiever eh...


The goal-scorer.


Heh. The goal scorer who gets the scraps for ice time, typically half the amount that Spezza gets. He also doesn't play the PP. Why not line him up on the 2nd PP unit and have him stand in the crease and collect rebounds? Lord knows he's got the hands.

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Post by SpezDispenser on Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:08 pm

N4L wrote:Lets give Cheechoo Spezza mins and see what happens to those points totals. PP, even stregth, and give him Alfi and Michalek as line mates.

Fact is the biggest underachiever on this team is Jason Spezza, not Cheechoo. He's playing on the 3rd or 4th line 99& of the time, at the same time he never stops working and he is a solid team guy. Everyone knew he was a salary dump, people need to gain some perspective.

Even if Cheechoo becomes a healthy scratch at some point (which I doubt because of his work ethic) he is only in Ottawa for max, until the end of next year.

If people really want to complain about a player, it's a guy makes close to 40 million for the remainder of his contract who is on pace for the exact same amount of goals as Cheechoo right now while on the 1st PP unti and playing with two of the better wingers in the league.

Cheechoo doesnt hurt The Sens at all and him being there actually creates compition within the bottom 6 forwards to stay in the lineup. Spezza, his spot is etched in stone.

There are also guys like Campoli who have also been given every shot to suceed and have bombed worse then anyone on that team. Or a guy like Lee who cant stick if he was made of glue. Even a Kovalev (who has been playing a lot better as of late). Maybe a Ryan Shannon who doesnt even have a goal (who has also gotten more PP time then Cheechoo)

Saying Cheechoo is killing The Sens or hurting them is total BS.


Yes please, let's give Cheechoo Jason Spezza to play with. Let's see what happens. It couldn't possibly hurt. Alfie can go back with Fisher and Kovalev, Michalek, Spezza and Cheechoo can form a line by themselves.

Definitely not a good idea to bring a guy like Ryan Shannon into this equation though. He's been playing lights out lately. The only thing missing from his game is goals right now - and if he continues to play like this, they'll come to. No question in my mind that Ryan Shannon had now pulled himself above Cheechoo on the depth chart.

Again, the only thing that can save Cheechoo's career in Ottawa is if Clouston puts him on line one, PP1 and plays him 18-20 a night. That's it.

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Post by SeawaySensFan on Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:09 pm

hemlock wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:
N4L wrote:
Same amount of goals though, hmmmm. Who's the under achiever eh...


The goal-scorer.


Heh. The goal scorer who gets the scraps for ice time, typically half the amount that Spezza gets. He also doesn't play the PP. Why not line him up on the 2nd PP unit and have him stand in the crease and collect rebounds? Lord knows he's got the hands.


According to the liars on the pre-game round table he's had those opportunities already. Idiots.

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Post by hemlock on Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:09 pm

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hemlock wrote:
You really think Melnyk wants to pay him $4ish million dollars after suiting up for less than 30 games? Seriously? There are other ways to obtain cap space, like trading useless, redundant Dung like Campoli.


Don't think he cares to the extent we think he does. It sucks, but at this point he's taking losses on the Sens and writing off tax while he's at it. What he should care about in the long run is setting this team up for years of competitive teams and relying on Bryan Murray and co. to do that any way possible.


How does buying Cheechoo out now set us up for the long run? He's only signed for this year and next. We are not an elite team, not this year, and not next year in all probability.

I don't buy the tax write argument either.

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Post by SpezDispenser on Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:11 pm

N4L wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:
N4L wrote:
Same amount of goals though, hmmmm. Who's the under achiever eh...


The goal-scorer.


You seem to have yourself convinced of that.


Well, yeah. Clearly both are under-achieving. Spezza sucks this year as well, but we know he hasn't lost his talent - or I know anyway. Cheechoo looks like he's done. He can't skate, I've seen one nice pull back, toe drag play on his 1st goal, but otherwise, does he still even possess a shot?

Problem is, Cheechoo hasn't been going through this for just 2 months, it's been a long, long time coming. The decline of his game has been shocking frankly and now it's starting to reach the point where if Clouston doesn't pull him out of it, it's over.

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Post by hemlock on Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:11 pm

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N4L wrote:Lets give Cheechoo Spezza mins and see what happens to those points totals. PP, even stregth, and give him Alfi and Michalek as line mates.

Fact is the biggest underachiever on this team is Jason Spezza, not Cheechoo. He's playing on the 3rd or 4th line 99& of the time, at the same time he never stops working and he is a solid team guy. Everyone knew he was a salary dump, people need to gain some perspective.

Even if Cheechoo becomes a healthy scratch at some point (which I doubt because of his work ethic) he is only in Ottawa for max, until the end of next year.

If people really want to complain about a player, it's a guy makes close to 40 million for the remainder of his contract who is on pace for the exact same amount of goals as Cheechoo right now while on the 1st PP unti and playing with two of the better wingers in the league.

Cheechoo doesnt hurt The Sens at all and him being there actually creates compition within the bottom 6 forwards to stay in the lineup. Spezza, his spot is etched in stone.

There are also guys like Campoli who have also been given every shot to suceed and have bombed worse then anyone on that team. Or a guy like Lee who cant stick if he was made of glue. Even a Kovalev (who has been playing a lot better as of late). Maybe a Ryan Shannon who doesnt even have a goal (who has also gotten more PP time then Cheechoo)

Saying Cheechoo is killing The Sens or hurting them is total BS.


Yes please, let's give Cheechoo Jason Spezza to play with. Let's see what happens. It couldn't possibly hurt. Alfie can go back with Fisher and Kovalev, Michalek, Spezza and Cheechoo can form a line by themselves.

Definitely not a good idea to bring a guy like Ryan Shannon into this equation though. He's been playing lights out lately. The only thing missing from his game is goals right now - and if he continues to play like this, they'll come to. No question in my mind that Ryan Shannon had now pulled himself above Cheechoo on the depth chart.

Again, the only thing that can save Cheechoo's career in Ottawa is if Clouston puts him on line one, PP1 and plays him 18-20 a night. That's it.


For at least a reasonable amount of time. Clouston quit on that combo pretty damn quickly last time.

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