Kovalev is willing to talk with Heatley to convince him to stay

http://www.ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/2009/07/07/10055761.html

Amazing sign of leadership that Kovalev is planning on bringing to the Senators, wanting to reach out to our lost soul Dany Heatley

Kovalev wants to reach out, keep Heatley



A Senators team with both Alex Kovalev and Dany Heatley in the lineup could be a reality.
Kovalev said he would be willing to talk to Heatley about his request to be traded and try and get the two-time 50-goal scorer to change his mind.
“He’s a hell of a player. It would definitely be nice for him to stay on the team,” said Kovalev, whose two-year, $10 million contract (all terms US) signed Monday pushed the Senators over the salary cap by about $1.5 million. Keeping both Kovalev and Heatley would necessitate Senators GM Bryan Murray moving some contracts.
But it’s an interesting proposition, especially since one of Heatley’s complaints has been the direction the team has been taking. Kovalev is the additional top-six forward the team has needed for a couple of years. Reality is he’s a replacement rather than an addition, but ...
“Each player and each person and team acts for himself, what he wants in life. I can’t answer questions for somebody else, but if I have a chance, I’ll speak to him (about staying),” said Kovalev.
“I don’t know what the situation is. Something is going on and he doesn’t want to stay. That’s pretty much all I know. All I’m saying is it would be nice for him to stay because the Ottawa Senators need players like that. He’s a goal scorer.”
Kovalev said the more top players, the better. He said he has no problem playing second fiddle.
“I’m not looking to be a superstar, to be the hero or be the best,” said Kovalev. “I’m just doing my part, what I do best and help the team win the Stanley Cup. That’s all I can do. I’m not trying to compete with anybody. I know the Senators have a lot of good players.”

Don't take this so seriously- Kovalev was asked by a member of the media if he would consider having a conversation with Heatley to convince him to stay- to which he obviously answered yes.

It's not like he came out of nowhere and said he's going to convince Heatley to stay.

Jordo wrote:Don't take this so seriously- Kovalev was asked by a member of the media if he would consider having a conversation with Heatley to convince him to stay- to which he obviously answered yes.

It's not like he came out of nowhere and said he's going to convince Heatley to stay.

never underestimate the power of AK27 :^^^^: We may see a side of this guy he never showed Montreal.

I think that's pretty big news personally. Kovalev is willing to go out of his way to phone Heatley and say 'get your head out of your arse'. Obviously Kovalev wants to win - and he thinks Heatley being here is integral to that.

If he didn't care, he would have said that it wasn't his business.

SpezDispenser wrote:I think that's pretty big news personally. Kovalev is willing to go out of his way to phone Heatley and say 'get your head out of your arse'. Obviously Kovalev wants to win - and he thinks Heatley being here is integral to that.

If he didn't care, he would have said that it wasn't his business.

There may be something to that.

Given his complete lack of bedside manner when it came to the MTL question -- where he basically said that MTL was his 1st choice and not OTT -- it's hard to accuse the guy of saying things just to suck up to his new audience.

rooneypoo wrote:
There may be something to that.

Given his complete lack of bedside manner when it came to the MTL question -- where he basically said that MTL was his 1st choice and not OTT -- it's hard to accuse the guy of saying things just to suck up to his new audience.

Totally. He's treating this like he should. This wasn't my first choice, but it's my final choice, so now I want to be a part of this process.

He's an influential, big time superstar, I'm okay with this kind of thing unless he gets TOO intimate in Ottawa's affairs.

Who else would love to kick Chris Stevenson right in the knads?

I'm divided. Heatley staying is so sexy on paper. The depth that Kovalev brings is phenomenal.

On the other hand, get the Diddle out of here Heatley. And if even a few of his teammates feel snubbed, that could jeopardize the entire team dynamic. Plus, the annoying media outlets would be all over that excuse any time the Sens lose a game due to a weak effort.

beerandsens wrote:I'm divided. Heatley staying is so sexy on paper. The depth that Kovalev brings is phenomenal.

On the other hand, get the Diddle out of here Heatley. And if even a few of his teammates feel snubbed, that could jeopardize the entire team dynamic. Plus, the annoying media outlets would be all over that excuse any time the Sens lose a game due to a weak effort.

One thing worth noting that, after this year, holding onto Heatley doesn't appear to be sustainable for the team. We have a lot of important UFAs and RFAs coming up to deal with, not the least of which are Volchenkov, Foligno, Shannon, Picard, Lee, potentially Elliott.

A cap-flexible return for Heatley sometime soon makes a lot of sense for the organization, long-term. BM has to start thinking more about picks/prospects, less about 2-3 NHLers. The return really needs to be 1-2 NHLers at most, the rest in picks and/or prospects.

We'll worry about that next year

I know that Kovalev carries a lot of weight amongst russian players. I think the chances of him having a positive impact re.: outcome of Dany's carreer in Ottawa would be much improved if Dany was russian but who knows; it's worth the call!

rooneypoo wrote:
One thing worth noting that, after this year, holding onto Heatley doesn't appear to be sustainable for the team. We have a lot of important UFAs and RFAs coming up to deal with, not the least of which are Volchenkov, Foligno, Shannon, Picard, Lee, potentially Elliott.

A cap-flexible return for Heatley sometime soon makes a lot of sense for the organization, long-term. BM has to start thinking more about picks/prospects, less about 2-3 NHLers. The return really needs to be 1-2 NHLers at most, the rest in picks and/or prospects.

I'll take 1 NHL player - of high caliber - signed to a long term 5 million dollar deal. That would be optimum. A top 6 (like Marleau ) or someone of that ilk.

I think we can get around cap issues with that. Maybe more likely, a guy like Michalek or Filatov etc.

I think the Sens should see if they can move Heatley, Smith and Picard for Gilbert, Cogliano and Smid.

Would give us cap flexibility and add another very good defender. Of course we'd need that pillock Heatley to waive.

Now I have to look at next year's cap situation. Darn you Pooney. :gg:

Forwards:

**Heatley (7.5)
Spezza (7)
Alfredsson (5.6)
Fisher (4.2)
*Foligno (3)
*Shannon (1.2)
**Kelly (2.1)
*Winchester (1.0)
*Bass (0.6)
Ruutu (1.3)
Neil (2)
Kovalev (5)
*Regin (1.0)
Z.Smith (0.6)

Subtotal: 42.1

Defense:

**Kuba (3.7)
**Campoli (2.5)
*Volcenkov (4)
Phillips (3.5)
Karlsson (1.3)
*Lee (1.5)

Leclaire (3.8)
Elliott (1.0)

Total: 63.4

* = projection
** = trade bait



Yep, Heatley will have to be moved going forward I think.

SpezDispenser wrote:Now I have to look at next year's cap situation. Darn you Pooney. :gg:

Forwards:

**Heatley (7.5)
Spezza (7)
Alfredsson (5.6)
Fisher (4.2)
*Foligno (3)
*Shannon (1.2)
**Kelly (2.1)
*Winchester (1.0)
*Bass (0.6)
Ruutu (1.3)
Neil (2)
Kovalev (5)
*Regin (1.0)
Z.Smith (0.6)

Subtotal: 42.1

Defense:

**Kuba (3.7)
**Campoli (2.5)
*Volcenkov (4)
Phillips (3.5)
Karlsson (1.3)
*Lee (1.5)

Leclaire (3.8)
Elliott (1.0)

Total: 63.4

* = projection
** = trade bait



Yep, Heatley will have to be moved going forward I think.

People worry too much about the cap. I wouldn't worry about the cap, they take all these scenarios into account.

jamvan wrote:People worry too much about the cap. I wouldn't worry about the cap, they take all these scenarios into account.

Can't help it, I've got an obsession with the cap and balancing it - and winning. cool)

SpezDispenser wrote:

jamvan wrote:People worry too much about the cap. I wouldn't worry about the cap, they take all these scenarios into account.

Can't help it, I've got an obsession with the cap and balancing it - and winning. cool)

Oh I know SD, I know. LOL! You should have changed your name to CAPTAIN CAP!

SpezDispenser wrote:Now I have to look at next year's cap situation. Darn you Pooney. :gg:

Forwards:

**Heatley (7.5)
Spezza (7)
Alfredsson (5.6)
Fisher (4.2)
*Foligno (3)
*Shannon (1.2)
**Kelly (2.1)
*Winchester (1.0)
*Bass (0.6)
Ruutu (1.3)
Neil (2)
Kovalev (5)
*Regin (1.0)
Z.Smith (0.6)

Subtotal: 42.1

Defense:

**Kuba (3.7)
**Campoli (2.5)
*Volcenkov (4)
Phillips (3.5)
Karlsson (1.3)
*Lee (1.5)

Leclaire (3.8)
Elliott (1.0)

Total: 63.4

* = projection
** = trade bait



Yep, Heatley will have to be moved going forward I think.

darn the cap, but well, it is something if we keep him, like a few people have said before, SSF said it today, you move him at the trade deadline to a contender.

SpezDispenser wrote:Now I have to look at next year's cap situation. Darn you Pooney. :gg:

Forwards:

**Heatley (7.5)
Spezza (7)
Alfredsson (5.6)
Fisher (4.2)
*Foligno (3)
*Shannon (1.2)
**Kelly (2.1)
*Winchester (1.0)
*Bass (0.6)
Ruutu (1.3)
Neil (2)
Kovalev (5)
*Regin (1.0)
Z.Smith (0.6)

Subtotal: 42.1

Defense:

**Kuba (3.7)
**Campoli (2.5)
*Volcenkov (4)
Phillips (3.5)
Karlsson (1.3)
*Lee (1.5)

Leclaire (3.8)
Elliott (1.0)

Total: 63.4

* = projection
** = trade bait



Yep, Heatley will have to be moved going forward I think.

Yep, no question. Not only do we need to move a big contract (presumably Heatley's, now that he's volunteered), but we need a cap-flexible return to set us up for the following year, especially now that we've brought Kovalev in for 2 years.

So, just for an example, should we still be doing business with EDM, a new deal should look something like, say, Cogliano + Smid + Eberle. That leaves you with a lot more flexibility going forward.

rooneypoo wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Now I have to look at next year's cap situation. Darn you Pooney. :gg:

Forwards:

**Heatley (7.5)
Spezza (7)
Alfredsson (5.6)
Fisher (4.2)
*Foligno (3)
*Shannon (1.2)
**Kelly (2.1)
*Winchester (1.0)
*Bass (0.6)
Ruutu (1.3)
Neil (2)
Kovalev (5)
*Regin (1.0)
Z.Smith (0.6)

Subtotal: 42.1

Defense:

**Kuba (3.7)
**Campoli (2.5)
*Volcenkov (4)
Phillips (3.5)
Karlsson (1.3)
*Lee (1.5)

Leclaire (3.8)
Elliott (1.0)

Total: 63.4

* = projection
** = trade bait



Yep, Heatley will have to be moved going forward I think.

Yep, no question. Not only do we need to move a big contract (presumably Heatley's, now that he's volunteered), but we need a cap-flexible return to set us up for the following year, especially now that we've brought Kovalev in for 2 years.

So, just for an example, should we still be doing business with EDM, a new deal should look something like, say, Cogliano + Smid + Eberle. That leaves you with a lot more flexibility going forward.

glad to talk if Penner is not included and it's more prospect related, build a better team going forward, not necessarily right now, we have Kovalev for right now.

Please let us wait until the deadline or next summer. His value will start to increase once he has a 65 goal season next year with Spezza and Alfie (and Kovalev on the PP :drooling: ).

Please...we really MUST wait.

SpezDispenser wrote:Please let us wait until the deadline or next summer. His value will start to increase once he has a 65 goal season next year with Spezza and Alfie (and Kovalev on the PP :drooling: ).

Please...we really MUST wait.

if it maximizes return, why wouldn't we wait, if heatley plays lights out because he knows if he does other teams will be chomping at the bit for him, then he can float around if he wants.

Heatley's agents have to be swearing. Before just about any deal was acceptable in their minds. Even if we took more cap back it was ok, because we had the room. Now a deal that looks good from a talent perspective can be shot down due to current and future cap constraints, and that's something they have no opinion on.

Dawg's Wife wrote:Heatley's agents have to be swearing. Before just about any deal was acceptable in their minds. Even if we took more cap back it was ok, because we had the room. Now a deal that looks good from a talent perspective can be shot down due to current and future cap constraints, and that's something they have no opinion on.

Check this one out, DW:

http://www.gmhockey.com/member-s-story-breakers-f8/the-story-unfoldsslowly-heatley-saga-t2689.htm

We can all use a laugh.

Dawg's Wife wrote:Heatley's agents have to be swearing. Before just about any deal was acceptable in their minds. Even if we took more cap back it was ok, because we had the room. Now a deal that looks good from a talent perspective can be shot down due to current and future cap constraints, and that's something they have no opinion on.

According to BeRed from that Battle of Ontario website... Timestamp of 07.08.09 at 1:30pm:

"Sens fans, Heatley's agents have got to be livid.

Before just about any deal was acceptable in their minds. Even if we
took more cap back it was ok, because we had the room. Now a deal that
looks good from a talent perspective can be shot down due to current
and future cap constraints, and that's something they have no opinion
on."

I Dung you people not. Unless Dawg's Wife is BeRed; in which case I'd really like for DW to come out and say that, cause i'm getting pretty pissed off right about now.

Bass Destruction wrote:

Dawg's Wife wrote:Heatley's agents have to be swearing. Before just about any deal was acceptable in their minds. Even if we took more cap back it was ok, because we had the room. Now a deal that looks good from a talent perspective can be shot down due to current and future cap constraints, and that's something they have no opinion on.

According to BeRed from that Battle of Ontario website... Timestamp of 07.08.09 at 1:30pm:

"Sens fans, Heatley's agents have got to be livid.

Before just about any deal was acceptable in their minds. Even if we
took more cap back it was ok, because we had the room. Now a deal that
looks good from a talent perspective can be shot down due to current
and future cap constraints, and that's something they have no opinion
on."

I Dung you people not. Unless Dawg's Wife is BeRed; in which case I'd really like for DW to come out and say that, cause i'm getting pretty pissed off right about now.

this is getting tres bizzare to be honest, someone is either trolling around and posting this data as their own, or maybe indeed you are right bass and it's DW, but in that case, information is still getting pirated as DTR's post was quoted.

What is going on? Is this information being posted everywhere uunder diferent names?

Bass Destruction wrote:

Dawg's Wife wrote:Heatley's agents have to be swearing. Before just about any deal was acceptable in their minds. Even if we took more cap back it was ok, because we had the room. Now a deal that looks good from a talent perspective can be shot down due to current and future cap constraints, and that's something they have no opinion on.

According to BeRed from that Battle of Ontario website... Timestamp of 07.08.09 at 1:30pm:

"Sens fans, Heatley's agents have got to be livid.

Before just about any deal was acceptable in their minds. Even if we
took more cap back it was ok, because we had the room. Now a deal that
looks good from a talent perspective can be shot down due to current
and future cap constraints, and that's something they have no opinion
on."

I Dung you people not. Unless Dawg's Wife is BeRed; in which case I'd really like for DW to come out and say that, cause i'm getting pretty pissed off right about now.

Uh oh.

Now we need to hear from DW on this, for sure.

I see my post came out a little more accusatory towards Dawg's Wife than I had intended, and for this I apologize. I am not accusing DW of anything of the sort, as he/she is the real victim in all of this. I just meant that if he/she is BeRed, I'd appreciate it if he/she would clear the air.

But there hasn't been a post on the other site in a while by BeRed... I will however continue to monitor it. Although if he read and stole DW's posts, then I can be pretty sure that he is reading this.

Bass Destruction wrote:I see my post came out a little more accusatory towards Dawg's Wife than I had intended, and for this I apologize. I am not accusing DW of anything of the sort, as he/she is the real victim in all of this. I just meant that if he/she is BeRed, I'd appreciate it if he/she would clear the air.

But there hasn't been a post on the other site in a while by BeRed... I will however continue to monitor it. Although if he read and stole DW's posts, then I can be pretty sure that he is reading this.

I have a feeling it is not DW either, she has too much integrity for that, however, there is a mole somewhere and they will fall privy to Spezz's and Clutch's wrath if it is determined who it is.

jamvan wrote:What is going on? Is this information being posted everywhere uunder diferent names?

Someone on the Battle of Ontario blog: http://battleofontario.blogspot.com/ is plagiarizing posts from GMHockey and passing it off as their own, sometimes word for word. The perpetrator goes by the name of BeRed, and is saying how he has all these insider sources and that he is "lucky that with [his] profession and background, [he] can stay "in the know"."

This is something I take severe umbrage towards.

I have currently found another post by him that some parts sound awfully similar to N4L and others to asq2.

BeRed of Battle of Ontario, on 07.06.09 at 11:06pm wrote:
Sens fans, not only does Patty Wiercioch look like a man among boys at
our Develpment Camp skill wise, he has been gaining the beef as well.

From the Sun article this morning - it looks as though P. Dub is
hitting the gym hard to fill out his 6'5 frame. Apparently he's put on
20 lbs of muscle since the middle of last season and is now pushing 200
lbs.

http://www.ottawasun.com/sports/...3/
10018861.html

Man I'm excited to see our defence in 2 years.

I know he said he wants to play this year, but he is the odds on
favorite to win the Hobey Baker award this year back at Denver U. He
can still accomplish a lot in College and the WJC. At the end of his
Denver season sign him to an entry level deal and let him finish the
season in Bingo.

I'll actually bet right now that is exactly what happens.

He will probably hit the NHL in 2010-2011 at around 220 lbs. These kids
don't fill out until around the age of 22. Scary at 6'5"

Let him expierence the WJC, play on the biggest stage he can against
the best competition possible. No rush in Ottawa with our blueline.

If I had to guess what Canada's WJC's D Core will look like, this is what I come would come up with:

Cowen/Ellis
Wiercioch/Tuebert
Myers/Pietrangelo

That's 2 of our boys on Canada's D. Come on Saskatchewan and Boxing Day.

Another thing we will have at these upcoming WJC's is the most prospects playing out of any NHL team:

Sweden
- Karlsson
- Lehner
- Petersson
- Silvferberg

Canada
- Cowen
- Wiercioch

The future is bright, but the present is dim. Out best highlites this
year will come from Saskatoon not Ottawa. I am fine with that for this
year.

Right now, we have to make the best out of a bad situation and really
build Bingo and develop the players the right way. I like what we are
doing in Ottawa, FINALLY.

SensFan71 wrote:

Bass Destruction wrote:

Dawg's Wife wrote:Heatley's agents have to be swearing. Before just about any deal was acceptable in their minds. Even if we took more cap back it was ok, because we had the room. Now a deal that looks good from a talent perspective can be shot down due to current and future cap constraints, and that's something they have no opinion on.

According to BeRed from that Battle of Ontario website... Timestamp of 07.08.09 at 1:30pm:

"Sens fans, Heatley's agents have got to be livid.

Before just about any deal was acceptable in their minds. Even if we
took more cap back it was ok, because we had the room. Now a deal that
looks good from a talent perspective can be shot down due to current
and future cap constraints, and that's something they have no opinion
on."

I Dung you people not. Unless Dawg's Wife is BeRed; in which case I'd really like for DW to come out and say that, cause i'm getting pretty pissed off right about now.

this is getting tres bizzare to be honest, someone is either trolling around and posting this data as their own, or maybe indeed you are right bass and it's DW, but in that case, information is still getting pirated as DTR's post was quoted.

Really who cares if someone copy and pasted DTR post and put in another forum.

I wouldn't get too upset about this either, I highly doubt they have ahuge following anyway. There are hundreds of so-called bloggers who cut and paste, case and point "SENSCHIRP".

Indeed though, everything this guy is boasting has been pasted from here. Maybe, there is a sense of being a little peeved.

In any case, I have thwarted his comments with one of my own, saying all the BeRed guys comments have come from this site.

Bass Destruction wrote:

jamvan wrote:What is going on? Is this information being posted everywhere uunder diferent names?

Someone on the Battle of Ontario blog: http://battleofontario.blogspot.com/ is plagiarizing posts from GMHockey and passing it off as their own, sometimes word for word. The perpetrator goes by the name of BeRed, and is saying how he has all these insider sources and that he is "lucky that with [his] profession and background, [he] can stay "in the know"."

This is something I take severe umbrage towards.

Just publish a quick summary of your findings, complete with links to GMHockey pages with the lifted posts, on the Battle of Ontario comments page and expose "BeRed" as a fraud who's getting all his "info" from here.

That way, "BeRed" will know we're on to him and watching him. Additionally, you'll also be getting a little free plugging in for GMHockey -- a few free hits, and maybe even a few new members.

rooneypoo wrote:

Bass Destruction wrote:

jamvan wrote:What is going on? Is this information being posted everywhere uunder diferent names?

Someone on the Battle of Ontario blog: http://battleofontario.blogspot.com/ is plagiarizing posts from GMHockey and passing it off as their own, sometimes word for word. The perpetrator goes by the name of BeRed, and is saying how he has all these insider sources and that he is "lucky that with [his] profession and background, [he] can stay "in the know"."

This is something I take severe umbrage towards.

Just publish a quick summary of your findings, complete with links to GMHockey pages with the lifted posts, on the Battle of Ontario comments page and expose "BeRed" as a fraud who's getting all his "info" from here.

That way, "BeRed" will know we're on to him and watching him. Additionally, you'll also be getting a little free plugging in for GMHockey -- a few free hits, and maybe even a few new members.

Good call... Will do.

Ah, he's come clean now. LOL!

jamvan wrote:Ah, he's come clean now. LOL!

A clever ploy.

The odd thing is, if he had contacted us, I'm sure the original posters of the comments (DW, Dave, Prager etc.) would not have any problems with them using it.

The issue here is that this site, which is becoming more and more known for it's gathering of amazingly intelligent Sens fans, didn't get a shout out. If you're going to 'borrow' from us, at least quote the original source.