The Needle and the Damage Done: Misconceptions about GMHockey

Today was one of the first days where I've been duped. 100% screwed over by some apparent pathological liar at HFBoards.

Why does this matter? Well, it probably doesn't to be perfectly honest, but I feel I probably should clear the air.

What we do here at GMHockey is talk...hockey. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Most people can't handle that kind of commitment, but there are at least 50 members who can - and do. What happened today, was an over-zealousness to get new info out to those people - and also to get more members to chime in and actually post something.

Nine times out of ten, I'll preface a rumour by adding in the link. Today, I didn't. Hilarity ensued and to be honest, most of us had dismissed the Chicago rumour pretty damn quickly. But then, it still wasted a lot of our time. So for that, I absolutely apologize. Lesson learned: always include the link, always include the source.

Which brings me to the next topic: We are not a rumour based site.

And if you think we are, that sucks for you, really. There's nothing about me Cronie and Clutch that would lead anyone to believe that. What we love is hockey talk - and here, that's what you'll get. However, from time to time, I get really nice pieces of info. Pieces that I trust from people that I know - albeit only via the Internet - but still, they provide what they hear because they like this site - and they know me through Buzz (when I used to post there all the time) and HF (same, but I still post there from time to time). When this happens, I'll tell you that it's a rumour that I'm hearing.

Cronie's actually the one with the best contacts I would say. He seems to pull some amazing stuff out of his 'sources' and sometimes he shares, sometimes he feels it's too risky to share. I always try to persuade him to share, because, as I've said, this is a site about hockey talk, not rumours. Give us something to talk about!

Once again though, I apologize for the 9 pages of what turned out to be utter non-sense from a guy at HF who I hope gets banned for a while (I think he will). I need to remember that members like Neely, SF71, SSF, Cronie, Clutch, Shabbs, GWTM, Lucky Day (Hemlock), Smash, Cas, Prager, Dave etc. etc. all know what it is I try to get - info. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. This is one of the times it didn't.

So there...that's what I have to say. If you want rumours, go to HockeyBuzz. If you want second hand rumours - and most importantly members who are willing to comb the earth for information for you - then come here. Or go to both. We'd prefer you didn't, but we don't make any money, so you can do as you wish. We just like having people online all the time so we have someone to talk to. :^^^^:

Are we allowed to discuss rumours though?

Let's say for example a hack like EJ Hradek hreported that Dany Heatley demanded a trade absent a confirmation from hrespected media outlets. Could we discuss that?

Also, could we speculate about the draft in Montreal?

Well said JizzDispenser... I think you experienced a tiny taste of the loyalty and pride the members of this site have. And like I said in the other thread... this is a good thing.

SSF - to your questions, I'd say it's OK to discuss rumours if they are interesting and provided the discussion starts with "This is a crazy rumour from HBuzz/HFBoards but..." and we can discuss it, tear it apart or even suggest a better one... who knows, but I think the important part is that unknown or illegitate sources need to be identifed at the start of discussions.

woo hoo, i get mentioned

in all seriousness, we appreciate what you guys do. everyone slips sometimes, so just let it be swept under the carpet.

I can't relate, I can only try to understand... I'm never wrong.

SpezDispenser wrote:
Nine times out of ten, I'll preface a rumour by adding in the link. Today, I didn't. Hilarity ensued and to be honest, most of us had dismissed the Chicago rumour pretty damn quickly. But then, it still wasted a lot of our time. So for that, I absolutely apologize. Lesson learned: always include the link, always include the source.

No apology's needed.

No one is being forced to be here on this site. If you expect legitimate information, then you should probably just wait for official news and official statements. If you just want to talk hockey and get some different pov's to broaden your understanding of the game, than this site is a great place to be.

Rumours come and go, but they are, by their very nature, unsubstantiated; placing too much trust in them is the only reason a person like notch would get upset at you for bringing it up.

cas wrote:No apology's needed.

No one is being forced to be here on this site. If you expect legitimate information, then you should probably just wait for official news and official statements. If you just want to talk hockey and get some different pov's to broaden your understanding of the game, than this site is a great place to be.

Rumours come and go, but they are, by their very nature, unsubstantiated; placing too much trust in them is the only reason a person like notch would get upset at you for bringing it up.

Well said. The hockey convos are what bring me here daily. I like rumours though - preferably not BS ones like today, but I have a soft spot for them. And not Eklund rumours, Diddle, my cat King could come up with better rumours than that.

SeawaySensFan wrote:Are we allowed to discuss rumours though?

Let's say for example a hack like EJ Hradek hreported that Dany Heatley demanded a trade absent a confirmation from hrespected media outlets. Could we discuss that?

:^^^^:

SeawaySensFan wrote:
Also, could we speculate about the draft in Montreal?

Haven't we been doing that for the past 6 months? :n:

SpezDispenser wrote:

cas wrote:No apology's needed.

No one is being forced to be here on this site. If you expect legitimate information, then you should probably just wait for official news and official statements. If you just want to talk hockey and get some different pov's to broaden your understanding of the game, than this site is a great place to be.

Rumours come and go, but they are, by their very nature, unsubstantiated; placing too much trust in them is the only reason a person like notch would get upset at you for bringing it up.

Well said. The hockey convos are what bring me here daily. I like rumours though - preferably not BS ones like today, but I have a soft spot for them. And not Eklund rumours, Diddle, my cat King could come up with better rumours than that.

Come on SD, they're all bs :^^^^:

I take the 'where there's smoke there's fire' approach.

I don't know what thread I did it on, but I put a list of like...9 potential trades that I thought could happen. And I stand by those. I actually think one of those will go down.

As for 99% of rumours, they're nothing, but when you keep hearing the same thing over and over...well...there's probably something to it.

Don't sweat it SpezD...you got snookered...no big deal.

But you may be teased mercilessly for some time to come.

And that's all I was saying. I come hear for the latest, up to date and factual info.

When you posted that story, we and I all believed you because it was coming from you.

When it turned out to be bogus, you were pissed because you jumped the gun and gave us nothing more than Eklund quality material.

I called you out because I don't want this site to routinely have 8 page threads turn out to be like Eklund's site.

Take it as a compliment that someone who comes here every day for the latest factual Sens news called you out because of an admitted mistake on your part.

My post count should have nothing to do with this. I read every single post because I care what is going on. I am not connected to the Sens, I am just a die-hard fan. You guys are so good on here that by the time I read everything, there is nothing else for me to say because the great posters on here have covered every basis.

davetherave wrote:Don't sweat it SpezD...you got snookered...no big deal.

But you may be teased mercilessly for some time to come.

Yeah, I realize that.

notch4077 wrote:And that's all I was saying. I come hear for the latest, up to date and factual info.

When you posted that story, we and I all believed you because it was coming from you.

When it turned out to be bogus, you were pissed because you jumped the gun and gave us nothing more than Eklund quality material.

I called you out because I don't want this site to routinely have 8 page threads turn out to be like Eklund's site.

Take it as a compliment that someone who comes here every day for the latest factual Sens news called you out because of an admitted mistake on your part.

My post count should have nothing to do with this. I read every single post because I care what is going on. I am not connected to the Sens, I am just a die-hard fan. You guys are so good on here that by the time I read everything, there is nothing else for me to say because the great posters on here have covered every basis.

Fair enough Notch, I'm glad you said something, I didn't know what to think.

Again, I apologize and soon we'll all have news to report.

You read EVERY post? Holy Dung. That's kind of impressive.

I don't do that.

SpezDispenser: Don't worry about it. It was a case of being overly excited. You realized the "mistake" and nutted up and owned up to it. I personaly don't believe anything more needs to be said.

I would like a little further responsibility taken by the other owners as well. This was totally unacceptable. Douches.

Lucky Day wrote:You read EVERY post? Holy Dung. That's kind of impressive.

I don't do that.

I might have left some key words out.

I only read the threads that I think deal with Ottawa. Those I read every single post.

I have never clicked on those "What's next for (insert other team here) threads. I come here for the best Sens info on the net and that is it. It's an awesome site.

Neely4Life wrote:I would like a little further responsibility taken by the other owners as well. This was totally unacceptable. Douches.

I wouldn't worry about this crap. If you heard and didn't post it, then it came true you would kick yourself. It seemed credible so you posted it. Christ this isn't the New York Times, no offence.

At the end of the day, we all like possibilities. I don't believe A$$lund because he is right about .005% of the time. If you are even 10% it is better than most. Rumours are part of the fun as long as they aren't complete fabrications by the author which clearly this was not. (EDIT: Someone made it up, just not you)

Anyone who complains should climb off the high horse and lift the tail to insert their head...

Lucky Day wrote:You read EVERY post? Holy Dung. That's kind of impressive.

I don't do that.

SpezDispenser: Don't worry about it. It was a case of being overly excited. You realized the "mistake" and nutted up and owned up to it. I personaly don't believe anything more needs to be said.

Hell, I hardly read half of the ones I write.

SD, can you explain one thing though? The name of this topic. What does "The Needle" mean?

Spez,

It's happened to a LOT of us. As always, your prose is great and you so eloquently expressed what probably didn't need to be said, but I think it's great that you said it nonetheless.

I can only speak for myself, obviously (HA!), but when Clutch approached Heater, err, sorry Spezdispenser and I about starting a site (this one) about 2 years ago, what I remember quite vividly was the general consensus that we wanted a hockey environment where fans could dish and vent and rant and discuss anything hockey, and hopefully free from personal attacks or ridicule for the sake of ridicule that seems to be norm one some 'other' sites. PERIOD.

Rumors are what they are...Rumors. True, nothing gets my synapses firing on all cylinders like when I see in my inbox that there's a message from a 'good friend' or a 'connected buddy' waiting for me; and I usually pass on just about if not EVERYTHING I hear, and I too have been mocked for some of my posts, but in the end all I was doing was sharing info, whether it sounded plausible or completely retarded, it was shared.

All this to say that this should be a fun and stimulating area to frequent, and we (the ENTIRE Gm Hockey community) make it what it is, so keep on discussing whatever tickles your fancy about Hockey. Draft, rumors, stats, etc... After all, without you and your POV's and opinions, this site is empty.

Now, who's got the next ridiculous trade rumor? j/k

wprager wrote:SD, can you explain one thing though? The name of this topic. What does "The Needle" mean?

You know what I used to have for breakfast? Cocaine. Know what I had for lunch? Cocaine.


What did you have for dinner?



Was it cocaine?


:^^^^:

The Guy With The Mustache wrote:

wprager wrote:SD, can you explain one thing though? The name of this topic. What does "The Needle" mean?

You know what I used to have for breakfast? Cocaine. Know what I had for lunch? Cocaine.


What did you have for dinner?


Was it cocaine?


:^^^^:

Me thinks SpezzD is a Neil Young fan....

My thoughts exactly shabbs.

Good eye by the way... or should I say good ear?

Cronie wrote:My thoughts exactly shabbs.

Good eye by the way... or should I say good ear?

I'm still in the dark here. I googled and found the lyrics, but still not getting the connection:

"Needle And The Damage Done"

I caught you knockin'
at my cellar door
I love you, baby,
can I have some more
Ooh, ooh, the damage done.

I hit the city and
I lost my band
I watched the needle
take another man
Gone, gone, the damage done.

I sing the song
because I love the man
I know that some
of you don't understand
Milk-blood
to keep from running out.
I've seen the needle
and the damage done
A little part of it in everyone
But every junkie's
like a settin' sun.

wprager wrote:

Cronie wrote:My thoughts exactly shabbs.

Good eye by the way... or should I say good ear?

I'm still in the dark here. I googled and found the lyrics, but still not getting the connection:

"Needle And The Damage Done"

I caught you knockin'
at my cellar door
I love you, baby,
can I have some more
Ooh, ooh, the damage done.

I hit the city and
I lost my band
I watched the needle
take another man
Gone, gone, the damage done.

I sing the song
because I love the man
I know that some
of you don't understand
Milk-blood
to keep from running out.
I've seen the needle
and the damage done
A little part of it in everyone
But every junkie's
like a settin' sun.

Well, my take on it would be that because the song is about addiction and the damage it causes, I would equate that to SD's "addiction" to hockey rumours and breaking news and the "damage" he caused today... I can see the similarity... but I may be wrong...

Oh Dung man, I just thought it was a cool name for the thread.

It is indeed named after the Neil Young song, but only because it's a neat name really.

Don't sweat it. Spezza19 is good at what he does.

There are also some really, really connected people on HF. I can think of one who seems to break every Sens move a few hours before it happens (such as the Campoli deal).

Notch is a good (albeit infrequent) poster who's been here a while, too. I think it's best we just all move on. If anything, it just shows how much the Heatley trade needs to get done - soon.

asq2 wrote:Don't sweat it. Spezza19 is good at what he does.

There are also some really, really connected people on HF. I can think of one who seems to break every Sens move a few hours before it happens (such as the Campoli deal).

Notch is a good (albeit infrequent) poster who's been here a while, too. I think it's best we just all move on. If anything, it just shows how much the Heatley trade needs to get done - soon.

Can I get an amen y'all?

Watch the 'Hawks trade for him now. :^^^^:

asq2 wrote:Don't sweat it. Spezza19 is good at what he does.

There are also some really, really connected people on HF. I can think of one who seems to break every Sens move a few hours before it happens (such as the Campoli deal).

Notch is a good (albeit infrequent) poster who's been here a while, too. I think it's best we just all move on. If anything, it just shows how much the Heatley trade needs to get done - soon.

Yeah, for sure. It wasn't long after that this happened that I realized he's the one who broke the BS Jason Smith story - where it was on a Team 1200 'update'. Turns out he happened to get it right, but it wasn't for being connected, that was for sure. :^^^^:

I reacted to Notch's post, but somewhere in some thread we back and forthed, and it's all good (as far as I know).

Plus, it's a huge time for Sens' fans. This is like...Christmas. cool)

asq2 wrote:Watch the 'Hawks trade for him now. :^^^^:

You think I haven't thought of that? :^^^^: Actually, I'm serious. This guy has premonitions. He lies, then it happens.

SpezDispenser wrote:

asq2 wrote:Watch the 'Hawks trade for him now. :^^^^:

You think I haven't thought of that? :^^^^: Actually, I'm serious. This guy has premonitions. He lies, then it happens.

I'm pretty sure he also had one involving Bouwmeester, though.

By the way, I get no love in the OP? When I joined the 'Buzz, the regulars were me, you, Prags, jamvan and mob_slapman. :gg:

asq2 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

asq2 wrote:Watch the 'Hawks trade for him now. :^^^^:

You think I haven't thought of that? :^^^^: Actually, I'm serious. This guy has premonitions. He lies, then it happens.

I'm pretty sure he also had one involving Bouwmeester, though.

By the way, I get no love in the OP? When I joined the 'Buzz, the regulars were me, you, Prags, jamvan and mob_slapman. :gg:

I still love (in a manly, chummy sort of way) you.

EDIT: It appears that this is the thread-stopper :x

Sorry, what happened? Neil Young is posting bogus hockey rumors???

Snuh wrote:Sorry, what happened? Neil Young is posting bogus hockey rumors???

There was a thing...with the guy. It's over now. Mind your business. Thanks.

Btw, how be you?

asq2 wrote:I'm pretty sure he also had one involving Bouwmeester, though.

By the way, I get no love in the OP? When I joined the 'Buzz, the regulars were me, you, Prags, jamvan and mob_slapman. :gg:

As gay* as it sounds, I thought of you and a few others at the last second, but hit send instead of going back up and adding you.

I knew it was a bad idea the minute I typed the first name.







*For anyone easily offended, by gay, I mean 'happy'.

Zoolander wrote:

Snuh wrote:Sorry, what happened? Neil Young is posting bogus hockey rumors???

There was a thing...with the guy. It's over now. Mind your business. Thanks.

Btw, how be you?

I be good. Hope the guy is OK. Off to mind my business elsewhere.

SpezDispenser wrote:

asq2 wrote:I'm pretty sure he also had one involving Bouwmeester, though.

By the way, I get no love in the OP? When I joined the 'Buzz, the regulars were me, you, Prags, jamvan and mob_slapman. :gg:

As gay as it sounds, I thought of you and a few others at the last second, but hit send instead of going back up and adding you.

I knew it was a bad idea the minute I typed the first name.

who is mob_slapman? Before my time I guess....