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    Re: Dion to become PM next Monday...

    Post by strachattack on Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:14 pm

    smash88 wrote:
    MurderOnIce wrote:I don't give a crap about partisanship. No country can be run by a coalition. It is plain and simple. Having 3 cooks in the kitchen is a recipe for disaster. Not to mention the opinion of the international community. Plus Dion as our leader? Come on the guy can't run his own party. This is a way bad idea from a bunch of losers who lost an election. If they bring this before the GG, she better call an election not this coalition crap. Then the fence sitters and the morons who vote for candidates who have no hope in winning can pony up an opinion on who should govern. Man I am pissed about this Dung. Diddle wankers. Diddle.

    Ok so she calls an election... Same results... What happens?

    I just want things to get done...

    Perhaps the results won't be the same. I remember Dion respond to questions regarding the potential of forming a coalition gov't with the NDP. He said, NEVER. Give me a second shot at this I might not vote Liberal next time knowing this might happen.

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    Re: Dion to become PM next Monday...

    Post by strachattack on Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:17 pm

    smash88 wrote:
    MurderOnIce wrote:I don't give a crap about partisanship. No country can be run by a coalition. It is plain and simple. Having 3 cooks in the kitchen is a recipe for disaster. Not to mention the opinion of the international community. Plus Dion as our leader? Come on the guy can't run his own party. This is a way bad idea from a bunch of losers who lost an election. If they bring this before the GG, she better call an election not this coalition crap. Then the fence sitters and the morons who vote for candidates who have no hope in winning can pony up an opinion on who should govern. Man I am pissed about this Dung. Diddle wankers. Diddle.

    Ok so she calls an election... Same results... What happens?

    I just want things to get done...

    Let's disect the issue at hand if it lead to an election. The Tories want to wait until January to release a stimulus package. The opposition wants one now. This is all that it comes down to. It's insane. Is this worth an election? If it's not, it's hardly worth a risky change of power IMHO.

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    Re: Dion to become PM next Monday...

    Post by smash88 on Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:29 pm

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    smash88 wrote:
    MurderOnIce wrote:I don't give a crap about partisanship. No country can be run by a coalition. It is plain and simple. Having 3 cooks in the kitchen is a recipe for disaster. Not to mention the opinion of the international community. Plus Dion as our leader? Come on the guy can't run his own party. This is a way bad idea from a bunch of losers who lost an election. If they bring this before the GG, she better call an election not this coalition crap. Then the fence sitters and the morons who vote for candidates who have no hope in winning can pony up an opinion on who should govern. Man I am pissed about this Dung. Diddle wankers. Diddle.

    Ok so she calls an election... Same results... What happens?

    I just want things to get done...

    Let's disect the issue at hand if it lead to an election. The Tories want to wait until January to release a stimulus package. The opposition wants one now. This is all that it comes down to. It's insane. Is this worth an election? If it's not, it's hardly worth a risky change of power IMHO.

    I just don't understand how it's better for the governing party to have 36% or whatever of the popular vote than to have 65% or whatever it is...

    If the NDP and Liberals were to form one party and we had another election would that be satisfactory to all of you? That would be perfectly fine with me, and is exactly what i've been calling for for a long time...

    None of this coalition crap, just make a formal agreement, become one party and let's do it again...
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    Re: Dion to become PM next Monday...

    Post by strachattack on Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:36 pm

    smash88 wrote:
    strachattack wrote:
    smash88 wrote:
    MurderOnIce wrote:I don't give a crap about partisanship. No country can be run by a coalition. It is plain and simple. Having 3 cooks in the kitchen is a recipe for disaster. Not to mention the opinion of the international community. Plus Dion as our leader? Come on the guy can't run his own party. This is a way bad idea from a bunch of losers who lost an election. If they bring this before the GG, she better call an election not this coalition crap. Then the fence sitters and the morons who vote for candidates who have no hope in winning can pony up an opinion on who should govern. Man I am pissed about this Dung. Diddle wankers. Diddle.

    Ok so she calls an election... Same results... What happens?

    I just want things to get done...

    Let's disect the issue at hand if it lead to an election. The Tories want to wait until January to release a stimulus package. The opposition wants one now. This is all that it comes down to. It's insane. Is this worth an election? If it's not, it's hardly worth a risky change of power IMHO.

    I just don't understand how it's better for the governing party to have 36% or whatever of the popular vote than to have 65% or whatever it is...

    If the NDP and Liberals were to form one party and we had another election would that be satisfactory to all of you? That would be perfectly fine with me, and is exactly what i've been calling for for a long time...

    None of this coalition crap, just make a formal agreement, become one party and let's do it again...

    The problem as I see it is that the NDP and Liberals are very different depending on the leader. In fact, if Iggy wins the leadership I expect to see the Liberals have more in common with the Harper Tories than I would with the NDP. They are not one in the same and do not represent the same groups of people. Even if you take out the equation the Bloc presents I can't see a Liberal and NDP coalition lasting more than a few months. They are at odds on quite a few issues.

    Even majority governments don't enjoy the majority of the popular vote. I think Mulroney achieved it once and it fell apart in the most dramatic way. It's very difficult to hold together a large majority and keep everyone happy and on board. Keeping 2-3 parties in a coalition is next to impossible.

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    Post by Guest on Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:37 pm

    is anyone listening to question period? woah.
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    Re: Dion to become PM next Monday...

    Post by smash88 on Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:45 pm

    strachattack wrote:
    smash88 wrote:
    strachattack wrote:
    smash88 wrote:
    MurderOnIce wrote:I don't give a crap about partisanship. No country can be run by a coalition. It is plain and simple. Having 3 cooks in the kitchen is a recipe for disaster. Not to mention the opinion of the international community. Plus Dion as our leader? Come on the guy can't run his own party. This is a way bad idea from a bunch of losers who lost an election. If they bring this before the GG, she better call an election not this coalition crap. Then the fence sitters and the morons who vote for candidates who have no hope in winning can pony up an opinion on who should govern. Man I am pissed about this Dung. Diddle wankers. Diddle.

    Ok so she calls an election... Same results... What happens?

    I just want things to get done...

    Let's disect the issue at hand if it lead to an election. The Tories want to wait until January to release a stimulus package. The opposition wants one now. This is all that it comes down to. It's insane. Is this worth an election? If it's not, it's hardly worth a risky change of power IMHO.

    I just don't understand how it's better for the governing party to have 36% or whatever of the popular vote than to have 65% or whatever it is...

    If the NDP and Liberals were to form one party and we had another election would that be satisfactory to all of you? That would be perfectly fine with me, and is exactly what i've been calling for for a long time...

    None of this coalition crap, just make a formal agreement, become one party and let's do it again...

    The problem as I see it is that the NDP and Liberals are very different depending on the leader. In fact, if Iggy wins the leadership I expect to see the Liberals have more in common with the Harper Tories than I would with the NDP. They are not one in the same and do not represent the same groups of people. Even if you take out the equation the Bloc presents I can't see a Liberal and NDP coalition lasting more than a few months. They are at odds on quite a few issues.

    Even majority governments don't enjoy the majority of the popular vote. I think Mulroney achieved it once and it fell apart in the most dramatic way. It's very difficult to hold together a large majority and keep everyone happy and on board. Keeping 2-3 parties in a coalition is next to impossible.

    Yeah but what has to be done for the good of the people will get done... The right did it, they were massively splitting votes... Same is now happening on the left... The NDP and the Liberals are a lot closer than the the PC and Reform was... Just in my riding alone.. John Baird won by 3000 votes... he had 24000... The liberals had 21000 and NDP had 15000...
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    Re: Dion to become PM next Monday...

    Post by smash88 on Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:45 pm

    B B B B Bird is the Word wrote:is anyone listening to question period? woah.

    Holy crap do i ever wish!

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    Re: Dion to become PM next Monday...

    Post by Guest on Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:48 pm

    smash88 wrote:
    B B B B Bird is the Word wrote:is anyone listening to question period? woah.

    Holy crap do i ever wish!

    I can't believe what I'm hearing......is there any other place in society where you're allowed to behave the way they do? listening to it on CFRA.
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    Re: Dion to become PM next Monday...

    Post by smash88 on Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:49 pm

    B B B B Bird is the Word wrote:
    smash88 wrote:
    B B B B Bird is the Word wrote:is anyone listening to question period? woah.

    Holy crap do i ever wish!

    I can't believe what I'm hearing......is there any other place in society where you're allowed to behave the way they do? listening to it on CFRA.

    No, it's ridiculous sometimes... i've seen kindergarden classes better behaved... Rolling Eyes
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    Re: Dion to become PM next Monday...

    Post by smash88 on Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:05 pm

    B B B B Bird is the Word wrote:
    smash88 wrote:
    B B B B Bird is the Word wrote:is anyone listening to question period? woah.

    Holy crap do i ever wish!

    I can't believe what I'm hearing......is there any other place in society where you're allowed to behave the way they do? listening to it on CFRA.

    So did they settle anything at all or was it just a bunch of name calling again?
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    Re: Dion to become PM next Monday...

    Post by Number Twenty Nine on Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:06 pm

    Snuh wrote:
    hemlock34 wrote:I'm not a conservative, but this is just wrong. Governments should be selected by THE PUBLIC not behind closed doors. What's the point of an election if parties can team up and topple the sitting party?

    How is this different from a group of radicals seizing control of a government(other than the bloodshe of course)? This is about as ridiculous as the US Federal Reserve being owned as a private company.

    I know eh? Isn't that insane!?

    And it really isn't that different than a group of radicals...A Coup De TA is a Coup De Ta. It's just not a military opperation.

    I'm not a Conservative either, and I agree with what you're saying. Seems like they are undermining the voices of the people.

    it's a coup dtat

    the other involves strippers and tig ol' bitties.... (coup de TA TA's)

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    Re: Dion to become PM next Monday...

    Post by Guest on Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:08 pm

    smash88 wrote:
    B B B B Bird is the Word wrote:
    smash88 wrote:
    B B B B Bird is the Word wrote:is anyone listening to question period? woah.

    Holy crap do i ever wish!

    I can't believe what I'm hearing......is there any other place in society where you're allowed to behave the way they do? listening to it on CFRA.

    So did they settle anything at all or was it just a bunch of name calling again?

    too much name calling and heckling to know.....to be honest, I have no idea what just happened.
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    Re: Dion to become PM next Monday...

    Post by smash88 on Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:09 pm

    B B B B Bird is the Word wrote:
    smash88 wrote:
    B B B B Bird is the Word wrote:
    smash88 wrote:
    B B B B Bird is the Word wrote:is anyone listening to question period? woah.

    Holy crap do i ever wish!

    I can't believe what I'm hearing......is there any other place in society where you're allowed to behave the way they do? listening to it on CFRA.

    So did they settle anything at all or was it just a bunch of name calling again?

    too much name calling and heckling to know.....to be honest, I have no idea what just happened.

    LOL... :D
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    Re: Dion to become PM next Monday...

    Post by Snuh on Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:11 pm

    B B B B Bird is the Word wrote:
    smash88 wrote:
    B B B B Bird is the Word wrote:
    smash88 wrote:
    B B B B Bird is the Word wrote:is anyone listening to question period? woah.

    Holy crap do i ever wish!

    I can't believe what I'm hearing......is there any other place in society where you're allowed to behave the way they do? listening to it on CFRA.

    So did they settle anything at all or was it just a bunch of name calling again?

    too much name calling and heckling to know.....to be honest, I have no idea what just happened.

    Me neither. It was more like Shout Fest 2008.

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    Post by Guest on Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:13 pm

    Snuh wrote:
    B B B B Bird is the Word wrote:
    smash88 wrote:
    B B B B Bird is the Word wrote:
    smash88 wrote:
    B B B B Bird is the Word wrote:is anyone listening to question period? woah.

    Holy crap do i ever wish!

    I can't believe what I'm hearing......is there any other place in society where you're allowed to behave the way they do? listening to it on CFRA.

    So did they settle anything at all or was it just a bunch of name calling again?

    too much name calling and heckling to know.....to be honest, I have no idea what just happened.

    Me neither. It was more like Shout Fest 2008.

    what a waste of time......I can't imagine they accomplished anything.
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    Re: Dion to become PM next Monday...

    Post by mattshock on Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:13 pm

    hemlock34 wrote:I'm not a conservative, but this is just wrong. Governments should be selected by THE PUBLIC not behind closed doors. What's the point of an election if parties can team up and topple the sitting party?

    How is this different from a group of radicals seizing control of a government(other than the bloodshe of course)? This is about as ridiculous as the US Federal Reserve being owned as a private company.

    Are you suggesting it should be controlled by the government/public in ANY CAPACITY??...

    This is why Yugoslavia is no longer a country.
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    Re: Dion to become PM next Monday...

    Post by Snuh on Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:14 pm

    B B B B Bird is the Word wrote:
    smash88 wrote:
    B B B B Bird is the Word wrote:is anyone listening to question period? woah.

    Holy crap do i ever wish!

    I can't believe what I'm hearing......is there any other place in society where you're allowed to behave the way they do? listening to it on CFRA.

    If you like slanted and biased radio keep listening for the Afternoon Edition.


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    Re: Dion to become PM next Monday...

    Post by strachattack on Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:14 pm

    smash88 wrote:
    strachattack wrote:
    smash88 wrote:
    strachattack wrote:
    smash88 wrote:
    MurderOnIce wrote:I don't give a crap about partisanship. No country can be run by a coalition. It is plain and simple. Having 3 cooks in the kitchen is a recipe for disaster. Not to mention the opinion of the international community. Plus Dion as our leader? Come on the guy can't run his own party. This is a way bad idea from a bunch of losers who lost an election. If they bring this before the GG, she better call an election not this coalition crap. Then the fence sitters and the morons who vote for candidates who have no hope in winning can pony up an opinion on who should govern. Man I am pissed about this Dung. Diddle wankers. Diddle.

    Ok so she calls an election... Same results... What happens?

    I just want things to get done...

    Let's disect the issue at hand if it lead to an election. The Tories want to wait until January to release a stimulus package. The opposition wants one now. This is all that it comes down to. It's insane. Is this worth an election? If it's not, it's hardly worth a risky change of power IMHO.

    I just don't understand how it's better for the governing party to have 36% or whatever of the popular vote than to have 65% or whatever it is...

    If the NDP and Liberals were to form one party and we had another election would that be satisfactory to all of you? That would be perfectly fine with me, and is exactly what i've been calling for for a long time...

    None of this coalition crap, just make a formal agreement, become one party and let's do it again...

    The problem as I see it is that the NDP and Liberals are very different depending on the leader. In fact, if Iggy wins the leadership I expect to see the Liberals have more in common with the Harper Tories than I would with the NDP. They are not one in the same and do not represent the same groups of people. Even if you take out the equation the Bloc presents I can't see a Liberal and NDP coalition lasting more than a few months. They are at odds on quite a few issues.

    Even majority governments don't enjoy the majority of the popular vote. I think Mulroney achieved it once and it fell apart in the most dramatic way. It's very difficult to hold together a large majority and keep everyone happy and on board. Keeping 2-3 parties in a coalition is next to impossible.

    Yeah but what has to be done for the good of the people will get done... The right did it, they were massively splitting votes... Same is now happening on the left... The NDP and the Liberals are a lot closer than the the PC and Reform was... Just in my riding alone.. John Baird won by 3000 votes... he had 24000... The liberals had 21000 and NDP had 15000...

    The PC and Reform were once in the same party lead by Mulroney and before him Clark. They did have a lot in common and were able to compromise on a platform. The big key issues that allowed them coexist were the same; low taxes, small gov't, private v.s public etc. They could splinter again under weak leadership or a sensational issue but so far so good.

    The Liberals and NDP have never belonged to the same party. There are massive key issues they don't have in common. NAFTA, NATO, war in Afghanistan, etc... these two parties are very different.

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