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    Deadline Day Scenarios

    Post by davetherave on Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:00 am

    As today marks the beginning of the 30-day countdown to the March trade deadline, IMHO it might be fun for all of us to post and discuss our speculations/thoughts/comments about who will and won't be moved by D-day.

    After all, the so-called 'experts' in the media know less than the esteemed members of this forum.

    So here's a thread for all you Hockey GMs out there.

    In laying out scenarios, these can be what you think 'might' happen or what you would 'like to see happen'.

    Be as creative as you want, and post as many scenarios as you want.

    Think like a GM would, factoring in some realistic view of what the team's needs are, and consideration of economic factors involved, i.e. bear in mind that you don't have to take the full cap hit for the players you are acquiring.

    This should, above all, be fun.

    So have at it!

    I will get the ball rolling with my prognosis:

    My Overview:

    The major March buying activity will be by playoff teams in the West. Here are a few scenarios I have come across on the blogosphere that involve the Senators.

    (BTW I am not suggesting any or all of these hypotheticals will or should happen, but one or more of these IMHO could happen.)

    Jason Spezza to the Blue Jackets.
    The buyer's rationale:
    Hitch wants JaySpez to center Rick Nash, and he thinks he can transform him. Hitch is also very good at reclaiming 'utility' players.
    The deal as I see it:
    Spezza, Neil, Schubert; for Pascal Leclaire, Kris Russell, Nikita Filatov and a 1st rounder.
    The win-win:
    Columbus: Hitch and Howson get their dream center and players that will propel the Jackets towards a playoff berth.
    Ottawa: Murray and Hartsburg lose a BIG salary, move contracts on their 'dump list'; get a #1 goalie, a PMD and a younger, cheaper replacement for Jason as well as a valuable pick.

    Dany Heatley to the Canucks.
    The buyer's rationale:
    Mike Gillis is sweating bullets and Alain Vigneault is having a brown-out. Sundin is struggling and the Nucks are firing blanks. They might miss the playoffs. Time to bring in the heavy artillery.
    The deal as I see it:
    Heatley for Kevin Bieksa, Ryan Kesler, Cory Schneider and Cody Hodgson.
    The win-win:
    Vancouver: Gillis is desperate for scoring. Adding Heatley makes the Nucks dangerous again, and saves the season. Giving up Hodgson when he has a 50-goal scorer isn't a bad deal. He has Luongo, so losing Schneider is acceptable.
    Ottawa: Murray and Hartsburg lose a big gun who has become inconsistent (along with his massive contract), get a PMD, a strong two-way forward, an emerging superstar in goal, and one of the top prospects in hockey.

    Vermette to the Blackhawks.
    The buyer's rationale:
    The Hawks have a weakness on the PK and in the faceoff circle. AV has those skills, the speed and work ethic that fit this team. Will regain his scoring touch playing with Kane, Sharp, Toews and coached by Quenneville. Chicago is very deep on defense already and can afford to move one or two.
    The deal as I see it:
    Vermette for Cam Barker.
    The win-win:
    Chicago: The Hawks get a missing piece to help build a Cup contender, and a player signed through next year.
    Ottawa: Murray sheds some salary and a contract with a player he has been trying to trade for a year; Hartsburg gets 'his kind of guy', a young, affordable, coachable, robust (6'3", 222) D-man who is a PP specialist.

    ------------>

    OK, you get the idea. Not just Sens-centric deals, but any team you like.

    Looking forward to everyone's contributions and comments!


    Last edited by davetherave on Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:03 am; edited 3 times in total (Reason for editing : correction)

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    Re: Deadline Day Scenarios

    Post by Guest on Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:39 am

    davetherave wrote:As today marks the beginning of the 30-day countdown to the March trade deadline, IMHO it might be fun for all of us to post and discuss our speculations/thoughts/comments about who will and won't be moved by D-day.

    After all, the so-called 'experts' in the media know less than the esteemed members of this forum.

    So here's a thread for all you Hockey GMs out there.

    In laying out scenarios, these can be what you think 'might' happen or what you would 'like to see happen'.

    Be as creative as you want, and post as many scenarios as you want.

    Think like a GM would, factoring in some realistic view of what the team's needs are, and consideration of economic factors involved, i.e. bear in mind that you don't have to take the full cap hit for the players you are acquiring.

    This should, above all, be fun.

    So have at it!

    I will get the ball rolling with my prognosis:

    My Overview:

    The major March buying activity will be by playoff teams in the West. Here are a few scenarios I have come across on the blogosphere that involve the Senators.

    (BTW I am not suggesting any or all of these hypotheticals will or should happen, but one or more of these IMHO could happen.)

    Jason Spezza to the Blue Jackets.
    The buyer's rationale:
    Hitch wants JaySpez to center Rick Nash, and he thinks he can transform him. Hitch is also very good at reclaiming 'utility' players.
    The deal as I see it:
    Spezza, Neil, Schubert; for Pascal Leclaire, Kris Russell, Nikita Filatov and a 1st rounder.
    The win-win:
    Columbus: Hitch and Howson get their dream center and players that will propel the Jackets towards a playoff berth.
    Ottawa: Murray and Hartsburg lose a BIG salary, move contracts on their 'dump list'; get a #1 goalie, a PMD and a younger, cheaper replacement for Jason as well as a valuable pick.

    Dany Heatley to the Canucks.
    The buyer's rationale:
    Mike Gillis is sweating bullets and Alain Vigneault is having a brown-out. Sundin is struggling and the Nucks are firing blanks. They might miss the playoffs. Time to bring in the heavy artillery.
    The deal as I see it:
    Heatley for Kevin Bieksa, Ryan Kesler, Cory Schneider and Cody Hodgson.
    The win-win:
    Vancouver: Gillis is desperate for scoring. Adding Heatley makes the Nucks dangerous again, and saves the season. Giving up Hodgson when he has a 50-goal scorer isn't a bad deal. He has Luongo, so losing Schneider is acceptable.
    Ottawa: Murray and Hartsburg lose a big gun who has become inconsistent (along with his massive contract), get a PMD, a strong two-way forward, an emerging superstar in goal, and one of the top prospects in hockey.

    Vermette to the Blackhawks.
    The buyer's rationale:
    The Hawks have a weakness on the PK and in the faceoff circle. AV has those skills, the speed and work ethic that fit this team. Will regain his scoring touch playing with Kane, Sharp, Toews and coached by Quenneville. Chicago is very deep on defense already and can afford to move one or two.
    The deal as I see it:
    Vermette for Cam Barker.
    The win-win:
    Chicago: The Hawks get a missing piece to help build a Cup contender, and a player signed through next year.
    Ottawa: Murray sheds some salary and a contract with a player he has been trying to trade for a year; Hartsburg gets 'his kind of guy', a young, affordable, coachable, robust (6'3", 222) D-man who is a PP specialist.

    ------------>

    OK, you get the idea. Not just Sens-centric deals, but any team you like.

    Looking forward to everyone's contributions and comments!





    Without Luongo's name on a contract extension, Cory Schneider goes nowhere.
    Kesler AND Hodgson are also too much to give up, even though Heatley is a fantastic player. I would rather we rebuilt instead of morgatging our future.




    Also, I think you've overvalued Spezza just a bit.


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    Re: Deadline Day Scenarios

    Post by Guest on Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:41 am

    Seriously, I wouldnt give up anything near that for Spezza if I am anyone but Atlanta, St. Louis, or NYI.

    I dont see any of those trades working in the least.
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    Re: Deadline Day Scenarios

    Post by PKC on Sat Jan 31, 2009 12:06 pm

    The way I look at that Spezza trade is Spezza and Neil for Filatov and a 15-24 first round pick.

    Not really that far-fetched. I think with Mason's stardom rocketing forwards, and Leclaire's injury history and contract, that isn't exactly a super piece to the trade puzzle. Basically, Schubert and Russell are a wash I'd say.

    So, is Spezza and Neil for Filatov and a 1st really that far fetched?

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    Re: Deadline Day Scenarios

    Post by Guest on Sat Jan 31, 2009 12:10 pm

    PKC wrote:The way I look at that Spezza trade is Spezza and Neil for Filatov and a 15-24 first round pick.

    Not really that far-fetched. I think with Mason's stardom rocketing forwards, and Leclaire's injury history and contract, that isn't exactly a super piece to the trade puzzle. Basically, Schubert and Russell are a wash I'd say.

    So, is Spezza and Neil for Filatov and a 1st really that far fetched?

    I think so because Filitov is a huge part of that teams future. I think Columbus's 1st is as good as gone already, they will use that to improve their team.

    I think if Spezza is getting dealt to Columbus, if they want to take that risk, it will be...

    Brassard, Russel, and their 1st for Spezza and Schubert. Thats just my opinion.
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    Re: Deadline Day Scenarios

    Post by Riprock on Sat Jan 31, 2009 12:41 pm

    In another thread you said Spezza wasn't a #1 center on many teams, even putting rookie or 2-3 year centers on career years ahead of him, guys like Brassard and Krejci. In your logic, Little is a better center than Spezza. You've killed all value for Spezza. Worst GM ever.

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    Post by Guest on Sat Jan 31, 2009 12:43 pm

    DashRiprock wrote:In another thread you said Spezza wasn't a #1 center on many teams, even putting rookie or 2-3 year centers on career years ahead of him, guys like Brassard and Krejci. In your logic, Little is a better center than Spezza. You've killed all value for Spezza. Worst GM ever.

    Oh, I didnt know we were playing a little GM game here, haha. In that case I will take Filitov, Brassard, their first and Mason for Spezza.

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    Re: Deadline Day Scenarios

    Post by Guest on Sat Jan 31, 2009 1:39 pm

    Neely4Life wrote:
    DashRiprock wrote:In another thread you said Spezza wasn't a #1 center on many teams, even putting rookie or 2-3 year centers on career years ahead of him, guys like Brassard and Krejci. In your logic, Little is a better center than Spezza. You've killed all value for Spezza. Worst GM ever.

    Oh, I didnt know we were playing a little GM game here, haha. In that case I will take Filitov, Brassard, their first and Mason for Spezza.

    Sure, and a 40% stake in franchise too if we are robbing them blind. :lol!:

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    Re: Deadline Day Scenarios

    Post by Guest on Sat Jan 31, 2009 1:45 pm

    davetherave wrote:As today marks the beginning of the 30-day countdown to the March trade deadline, IMHO it might be fun for all of us to post and discuss our speculations/thoughts/comments about who will and won't be moved by D-day.

    After all, the so-called 'experts' in the media know less than the esteemed members of this forum.

    So here's a thread for all you Hockey GMs out there.

    In laying out scenarios, these can be what you think 'might' happen or what you would 'like to see happen'.

    Be as creative as you want, and post as many scenarios as you want.

    Think like a GM would, factoring in some realistic view of what the team's needs are, and consideration of economic factors involved, i.e. bear in mind that you don't have to take the full cap hit for the players you are acquiring.

    This should, above all, be fun.

    So have at it!

    I will get the ball rolling with my prognosis:

    My Overview:

    The major March buying activity will be by playoff teams in the West. Here are a few scenarios I have come across on the blogosphere that involve the Senators.

    (BTW I am not suggesting any or all of these hypotheticals will or should happen, but one or more of these IMHO could happen.)

    Jason Spezza to the Blue Jackets.
    The buyer's rationale:
    Hitch wants JaySpez to center Rick Nash, and he thinks he can transform him. Hitch is also very good at reclaiming 'utility' players.
    The deal as I see it:
    Spezza, Neil, Schubert; for Pascal Leclaire, Kris Russell, Nikita Filatov and a 1st rounder.
    The win-win:
    Columbus: Hitch and Howson get their dream center and players that will propel the Jackets towards a playoff berth.
    Ottawa: Murray and Hartsburg lose a BIG salary, move contracts on their 'dump list'; get a #1 goalie, a PMD and a younger, cheaper replacement for Jason as well as a valuable pick.

    Dany Heatley to the Canucks.
    The buyer's rationale:
    Mike Gillis is sweating bullets and Alain Vigneault is having a brown-out. Sundin is struggling and the Nucks are firing blanks. They might miss the playoffs. Time to bring in the heavy artillery.
    The deal as I see it:
    Heatley for Kevin Bieksa, Ryan Kesler, Cory Schneider and Cody Hodgson.
    The win-win:
    Vancouver: Gillis is desperate for scoring. Adding Heatley makes the Nucks dangerous again, and saves the season. Giving up Hodgson when he has a 50-goal scorer isn't a bad deal. He has Luongo, so losing Schneider is acceptable.
    Ottawa: Murray and Hartsburg lose a big gun who has become inconsistent (along with his massive contract), get a PMD, a strong two-way forward, an emerging superstar in goal, and one of the top prospects in hockey.

    Vermette to the Blackhawks.
    The buyer's rationale:
    The Hawks have a weakness on the PK and in the faceoff circle. AV has those skills, the speed and work ethic that fit this team. Will regain his scoring touch playing with Kane, Sharp, Toews and coached by Quenneville. Chicago is very deep on defense already and can afford to move one or two.
    The deal as I see it:
    Vermette for Cam Barker.
    The win-win:
    Chicago: The Hawks get a missing piece to help build a Cup contender, and a player signed through next year.
    Ottawa: Murray sheds some salary and a contract with a player he has been trying to trade for a year; Hartsburg gets 'his kind of guy', a young, affordable, coachable, robust (6'3", 222) D-man who is a PP specialist.

    ------------>

    OK, you get the idea. Not just Sens-centric deals, but any team you like.

    Looking forward to everyone's contributions and comments!

    I like the Vermette-Barker deal, but the Spezza one - Leclair is damaged goods with ONE good season under his belt. No thanks, I'll stick with Elliott.

    I cannot imagine Gillis being that desperate to trade Bieska, their best two way forward in Kesler, and two best prospects for Heatley. Seems like too much.

    I'd like to see:

    Spezza (and another piece if necessary) to EDM for Cogliano, Gilbert and a pick.

    Heatley to Nashville for Colin Wilson, Jonathan Blum, Chet Pickard.

    Vermette to CHI for Barker.

    Neil for a decent prospect or pick

    Kuba to whomever for a 1st. No this isn't unreasonable as some might suggest.

    This is a step back. We wouldn't be competitive for a couple of years, but it stocks the cupboards quite nicely. Unless we are landing a stud d-man at the draft (or promote one from within) that can step in next season, we will be having another non-playoff season.
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    Re: Deadline Day Scenarios

    Post by asq2 on Sat Jan 31, 2009 2:10 pm

    If Spezza is going to Edmonton, I want Gagner++ in return. No ifs, ands or buts. None.

    Also, forget Columbus proposals. It's not happening.

    Viqsi is a Cbus fan I've talked to on a few occasions and he wrote a very informative piece on the state of affairs of the Blue-Jackets which I strongly recommend: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=594062

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    Post by Guest on Sat Jan 31, 2009 2:35 pm

    asq2 wrote:If Spezza is going to Edmonton, I want Gagner++ in return. No ifs, ands or buts. None.

    Also, forget Columbus proposals. It's not happening.

    Viqsi is a Cbus fan I've talked to on a few occasions and he wrote a very informative piece on the state of affairs of the Blue-Jackets which I strongly recommend: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=594062

    Reading that piece now. I agree that Columbus won't be taking on a salary like that of Heatley or Spezza. Not when they haven't re-upped Nash yet.

    You prefer Gagner to Cogs eh? What do you think a fair return for Spezza is when you say Gagner ++
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    Post by Phoenix30 on Sat Jan 31, 2009 3:10 pm

    Being GM I would trade:

    Kelly to Edmonton for Alex Plante and the highest possible pick I can get out of Edmonton.

    Kuba to Florida for Mathias and a 1st. If not interested then the highest bidder.

    Vermette to Chicago for Barker

    Fisher and Schubert to Nashville for the rights to Radulov and Suter

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    Post by Guest on Sat Jan 31, 2009 3:28 pm

    I would try to move Heatley and Neil to LA for O'Sullivan a good D prospect and their first.

    I would move Spezza at the draft unless a good deadline deal came up such as Sam Gagner from Edmonton or Suter from Nashville, etc..

    Kuba goes to the highest bidder (including a desperate Montreal team).

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    Re: Deadline Day Scenarios

    Post by Guest on Sat Jan 31, 2009 3:32 pm

    Phoenix30 wrote:Being GM I would trade:

    Kelly to Edmonton for Alex Plante and the highest possible pick I can get out of Edmonton.

    Kuba to Florida for Mathias and a 1st. If not interested then the highest bidder.

    Vermette to Chicago for Barker

    Fisher and Schubert to Nashville for the rights to Radulov and Suter

    I would love to get Suter. Radulov may very well end up crawling back to the NHL with his tail between his legs now that the KHL is suffering financially.

    Mathias and a 1st may be too much for Kuba.

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    Re: Deadline Day Scenarios

    Post by Guest on Sun Feb 01, 2009 12:52 am

    How about Kuba and Vermette for Clutterbuck, Cuma, 1st, and maybe a 3rd or 4th?

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