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    Ottawa-Florida

    Post by PKC on Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:28 am

    Rate my proposal:

    To Florida: Andrej Meszaros (signed for 3
    years at 3.25 million), Alexander Nikulin, 2009 First Round draft pick,
    2010 Third Round draft pick

    To Ottawa: Jay Bouwmeester, 2010 Second Round draft pick

    Why?

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    receives an outstanding defenseman with exceptional skill at both ends
    of the ice. Florida receives a future number 1 defenseman, and some
    scoring help in the form of Nikulin, plus a first round pick in an
    exceptionally deep draft this year. Also helps both teams acquire
    players that are potentially looking for a change of scenario.
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    Re: Ottawa-Florida

    Post by PTFlea on Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:32 am

    I gave it an average grade (5), just because I think Florida will hold out for top 4 D-man, young top 6 forward and a 1st rounder.

    For example:

    Mez, Vermette and 1st round might seem like an overpayment, but if you can agree to terms with Bow before the trade goes down, then it's pretty fair.

    Close though PKC. If you were to add in a better prospect than Nikulin, we might be on the right track!
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    Re: Ottawa-Florida

    Post by Cap'n Clutch on Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:41 am

    I gave it a 5 also. I think you'd probably need a good roster player or a more solid prospect in place of Nikulin and then chop off the third round pick. I think that would be more palatable for Florida.


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    Re: Ottawa-Florida

    Post by PKC on Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:51 am

    I just think Vermette is too much of an overpayment given the situation..
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    Re: Ottawa-Florida

    Post by rooneypoo on Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:00 am

    PKC wrote:Rate my proposal:

    To Florida: Andrej Meszaros (signed for 3
    years at 3.25 million), Alexander Nikulin, 2009 First Round draft pick,
    2010 Third Round draft pick

    To Ottawa: Jay Bouwmeester, 2010 Second Round draft pick

    Why?

    Ottawa
    receives an outstanding defenseman with exceptional skill at both ends
    of the ice. Florida receives a future number 1 defenseman, and some
    scoring help in the form of Nikulin, plus a first round pick in an
    exceptionally deep draft this year. Also helps both teams acquire
    players that are potentially looking for a change of scenario.

    Personally, I wait until the deadline and try to get him without giving up such an important roster player as Meszaros (and I don't think FLA will necessarily be looking for a D in return anyway). You'll pay out the wazoo in picks and prospects, of course -- say, Foligno, Zubov, and a first -- but that beats giving up Vermette or Mesz. History has shown us that you pay less for great players at the deadline; Hossa and Depuis were traded for 2 3rd liners, a middling prospect, and a 1st. Come February, J-Bo, I think, will be available for a little less than that. Foligno (a 3rd liner with 2nd line potential), Zubov (future top-6 forward), and a 1st seems about right.

    The above deadline deal would be hard on our farm, I know, but it's a price I'd certainly consider, especially if we had J-Bo agree to a contract before we made the move.
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    Re: Ottawa-Florida

    Post by PKC on Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:05 am

    I'd certainly hope you're right with that regard rooneypoo. But don't you think there would be several other teams that could outbid us in that regard come deadline day?
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    Re: Ottawa-Florida

    Post by rooneypoo on Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:33 am

    PKC wrote:I'd certainly hope you're right with that regard rooneypoo. But don't you think there would be several other teams that could outbid us in that regard come deadline day?

    It's a good question. I don't know the answer. I'm sure there are many teams hoping to throw their hat in to get Bouwmeester; the question is how many of them will make serious offers. Most teams in the hunt for the playoffs would, I think, offer packages with picks and prospects rather than key roster players. How does Foligno, Zubov, and a 1st compare with, say, what PIT, MTL, or NYR have to offer from their farms? Not too badly, I'd say. Some teams, too, don't need a Bouw -- SJ, ANA, etc -- and probably wouldn't be involved. The x-factor in all this will be, first, those teams on the fringes who probably won't make the playoffs and won't mind giving up roster players -- OR, second, those teams that have a lot of offense to spare. If a team like, say, LA gets involved -- offering up, say, Frolov or O'Sullivan -- we certainly won't be able to compete. Nor could we compete with PHI, EDM, or COL, say, if they put up one of the younger top-6 Fs in a deal.

    Trade deals are strange things, tho'. I don't know why it is, but no one ever seems to have an extension worked out in principle ahead of time. I would NOT approve of any deadline deal for Bouw that didn't come with his name on a multi-year contract. If Bouw wouldn't commit to that, then my guess is that he plans to hit FA all along, and then I wait to try to sign him on July 1. I look at what happend with Campbell last year, who went for Bernier (last year of his contract, but heading only to RFA) and a 1st, and I get nervous. Would I be willing to pay a similar price for Bouw? Yes. Would I pay it knowing he could walk away in July? No, absolutely not.
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    Re: Ottawa-Florida

    Post by PKC on Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:49 am

    Nor would Murray agree to trade for a player if he didn't think he could sign them to an extension. I just don't see it being his style. And I know the Carolina trade sort of flies in the face of that sentence, but I remember he made an offer to both of those gentlemen, he just got outbid horribly. I STILL can't believe someone gave Commodore all the money.

    I think with the money we have available next year, spending the money on Bouwmeester won't be an issue for Murray if its who we truly desire to have. As a matter of fact, the way things are shaping up, it would seem that we have the necessary cap space (approximately 17 million) next year to sign him if he goes to UFA.

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    Re: Ottawa-Florida

    Post by Guest on Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:15 pm

    rooneypoo wrote:Come February, J-Bo, I think, will be available for a little less than that. Foligno (a 3rd liner with 2nd line potential), Zubov (future top-6 forward), and a 1st seems about right.

    The above deadline deal would be hard on our farm, I know, but it's a price I'd certainly consider, especially if we had J-Bo agree to a contract before we made the move.
    It would be absolutely moronic to give up Foligno while he's still on his entry level contract for a guy who is going to make upwards of 6million as soon as next year. This is a salary cap world and that is the very first consideration a GM (at least, a good GM) will make.
    Personally, I hate the idea of giving up a 1st for Bouwmeester, but I would absolutely not entertain the idea of giving them Foligno.
    If we can hang onto Zubov and Nikulin through the year and if they perform as expected, while in the AHL (assuming Nikulin stays in NA) than we could get considerably more for them.
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    Re: Ottawa-Florida

    Post by rooneypoo on Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:31 pm

    cash wrote:
    It would be absolutely moronic to give up Foligno while he's still on his entry level contract for a guy who is going to make upwards of 6million as soon as next year. This is a salary cap world and that is the very first consideration a GM (at least, a good GM) will make.
    Personally, I hate the idea of giving up a 1st for Bouwmeester, but I would absolutely not entertain the idea of giving them Foligno.
    If we can hang onto Zubov and Nikulin through the year and if they perform as expected, while in the AHL (assuming Nikulin stays in NA) than we could get considerably more for them.

    Hey, you're not going to get a guy like J-Bo for magic beans. No top prospects and no top picks = absolutely no chance of landing him. You have to give up something good to get something good. FLA has 9 D on their roster, too, and have no need for Mesz, especially if this McCabe deal goes through next week. That means it's going to take giving up good, young, offensive-minded forwards to get him. And that means it comes down to a young roster-ready players like Vermette or Foligno, and/or prospects like Zubov and Nikulin. A 1st is pretty much a given.

    Don't get too hung up on the idea that a guy like Foligno's on an entry-level deal. He's in the second year of a 3-year deal, and will be an RFA in July 2010, one year after Bouw becomes a UFA. What's one season of Foligno for cheap in comparison to 5-6 season at a guaranteed price from Bouw?
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    Re: Ottawa-Florida

    Post by PKC on Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:41 pm

    I'd take Bouw signed, sealed and delivered for the next 5-6 years over Foligno any day of the week. No questions asked.
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    Re: Ottawa-Florida

    Post by Cap'n Clutch on Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:53 pm

    I agree PFK. Hands down.


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    Re: Ottawa-Florida

    Post by Urkie on Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:22 pm

    I gave it a 5 because it's not something that Florida would do but the value is almost equal. They need offensive help so if they trade Bouwmeester then the big piece coming to them will likely be a forward. We'd have to give up a forward to get Bo I think.
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    Re: Ottawa-Florida

    Post by rooneypoo on Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:52 pm

    Cap'n' Clutch wrote:I agree PFK. Hands down.

    I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels like this. I'd have a very hard time giving up Foligno and Zubov, especially this early in their careers, but I'd have to give it serious consideration. Bouw is a very rare item.

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    Re: Ottawa-Florida

    Post by Guest on Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:52 pm

    Imo you guys massively over-inflate Bouwmeesters worth.
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