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31Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh - Page 3 Empty Re: Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh on Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:00 pm

Cronie


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SensGirl11 wrote:I'll go with the Pens in 7.

They have more scoring and are on fire right now.
Goaltending is pretty even on both sides.
The Pens have experience now from last season, making it to the Finals.

BUT

IF someone hurts one of the stars (which is a huge possibilty) all that has been said above is null. The Pens can win with all of their guys healthy, if they start to get pushed around etc...they'll have a tough time, they are NOT a tough team, Philly IS!

So...I guess in the end...who knows who will win?

All I know is that it will be a blood fest! Teeth, guts and blood all over the ice. FUN!

I tend to agree; not to mention if Crosby decides to have another brain cramp and decide to drop the gloves, I'm not sure ANY Flyer is going to go 'easy' on him... LOL

32Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh - Page 3 Empty Re: Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh on Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:50 pm

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god, I can't wait to just get this Dung underway. Let the games begin.

33Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh - Page 3 Empty Re: Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh on Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:33 pm

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Cronie wrote:
SensGirl11 wrote:I'll go with the Pens in 7.

IF someone hurts one of the stars (which is a huge possibilty) all that has been said above is null. The Pens can win with all of their guys healthy, if they start to get pushed around etc...they'll have a tough time, they are NOT a tough team, Philly IS!

So...I guess in the end...who knows who will win?

All I know is that it will be a blood fest! Teeth, guts and blood all over the ice. FUN!

I tend to agree; not to mention if Crosby decides to have another brain cramp and decide to drop the gloves, I'm not sure ANY Flyer is going to go 'easy' on him... LOL

Hmmm...last time I checked The Pingu Posse had some pretty nasty types by the name of Eric Godard, Hal Gill, and Craig Adams, not to mention Mr Bill Guerin.

34Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh - Page 3 Empty Re: Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh on Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:38 pm

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There's a certain player in that Flyers team that has the most points in the NHL in post season since the lockout that is massively forgotten...
I say it again, Flyers in 6.

35Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh - Page 3 Empty Re: Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh on Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:48 pm

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marakh wrote:There's a certain player in that Flyers team that has the most points in the NHL in post season since the lockout that is massively forgotten...
I say it again, Flyers in 6.

Please share this info with us!

PS Flyers in 6? Martin? Biron?

36Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh - Page 3 Empty Re: Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh on Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:27 pm

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Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh - Page 3 Briere_daniel_getty_260

10 seconds left to tie the game, Best player on the ice IMO.
Biron was awesome last year, I still believe.

37Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh - Page 3 Empty Re: Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh on Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:38 am

wprager

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Briere should be well rested, if nothing else. But that hip/groin or whatever it is has really never healed properly. Didn't he have a sports hernia the year before? They should ave left in some slack.

38Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh - Page 3 Empty Re: Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh on Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:25 am

davetherave

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marakh wrote:Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh - Page 3 Briere_daniel_getty_260

10 seconds left to tie the game, Best player on the ice IMO.
Biron was awesome last year, I still believe.

Briere, yes...Biron, last year yes, this year, not sure...but then is anybody sure about Fleury?

39Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh - Page 3 Empty Re: Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh on Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:43 am

Cronie

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I've been sure about Fleury from day #1!

At times he looks brilliant and f**king amazing; and yet in another breath, looks like he's smelling farts out there and couldn't stop the Michelin Man rolling in...

and it's gotten MUCH worse since he inked his lovely contract...

He, IMHO, is the biggest "?" for the Pens...

40Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh - Page 3 Empty Re: Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh on Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:02 pm

shabbs

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This should be a great series to watch. They hate each other.

41Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh - Page 3 Empty Re: Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh on Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:05 pm

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davetherave wrote:Briere, yes...Biron, last year yes, this year, not sure...but then is anybody sure about Fleury?

Yeah! I'm sure Fleury sucks! I don't care what he did last year, I'm still 100% wary of this guy in between the pipes.

42Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh - Page 3 Empty Re: Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh on Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:06 pm

davetherave

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504Heater wrote:
davetherave wrote:Briere, yes...Biron, last year yes, this year, not sure...but then is anybody sure about Fleury?

Yeah! I'm sure Fleury sucks! I don't care what he did last year, I'm still 100% wary of this guy in between the pipes.

Does Fleury fight? he and Biron could go at it LOL

:fight: :fight: :fight: :fight:

43Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh - Page 3 Empty Re: Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh on Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:45 am

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Flyers still searching for answer to Pens’ speed

By ALAN ROBINSON, AP Sports Writer April 16, 2009

PITTSBURGH (AP)—The speed the Pittsburgh Penguins brought at them shift after shift, period after period, shouldn’t surprise the Philadelphia Flyers—they’ve see it from Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin and Jordan Staal 20 times over the past two seasons.

The fatigue and frustration it caused, and maybe the lack of discipline it provoked? The Flyers didn’t seem prepared for that, and already they find themselves in a likely must-win playoff Game 2 against the Penguins.

The Flyers, just as they couldn’t during last season’s one-sided Eastern Conference finals, didn’t handle anything the confident and under-control Penguins brought at them during a 4-1 Pittsburgh victory in Game 1 on Wednesday night. The Flyers retaliated with needless penalties, undisciplined play, a late sequence of message-sending hits and not much else.

After allowing four goals or more for the fifth time in six playoff games against the Penguins the last two seasons, the Flyers appeared leg-weary and slightly discouraged.

They also seemed to be looking for answers in an Eastern Conference first-round series that could get away from them as fast as Malkin on a breakaway if they don’t win Friday night in Pittsburgh.

When an NHL team wins Games 1 and 2, it goes on to win a best-of-seven series 87.2 percent of the time.

The Flyers know that any playoff series can turn with one good effort, an unexpected goal, a clean but disruptive hit or a night when determination trumps talent.

But Pittsburgh keeps beating them the same way over and over—the Penguins have outscored the Flyers 24-10 in six playoff games since May—and that must worry a team that is desperately searching for momentum after going 11-11-1 over the last six weeks.

“I don’t buy that we’re done by any means,” Flyers general manager Paul Holmgren said Thursday. “Pittsburgh’s a good team, and we have to play well to beat them—better than we did. We need to play a more complete game.”

The Penguins? They want to keep playing the same uptempo, keep-the-pressure on style that has enabled them to go 19-3-4 under coach Dan Bylsma.

“We’re going to play the way we know how,” said Crosby, who had a goal and an assist in Game 1. “Hopefully, we’re skating and they have to chase us. Hopefully, the result of our game is at least getting scoring chances and then some will go in.”

The Flyers were criticized by coach John Stevens for drawing numerous unnecessary penalties during a mistake-filled night, and their breakdowns in discipline were illustrated by forward Dan Carcillo’s whack to Penguins forward Max Talbot’s head with 7 seconds remaining.

On Thursday, the NHL suspended Carcillo for one game and fined Stevens $10,000. Talbot wasn’t hurt and Carcillo wasn’t penalized for the hit.

“We held a conference call Monday with the general managers and coaches of playoff teams and told them explicitly we would not tolerate attempts by clubs to ‘send a message’ late in a game when the outcome had been determined,” said Colin Campbell, the NHL’s senior executive vice president of hockey operations.

“Organizations—players and coaches—will be held accountable for such actions.”

The Penguins avoided taking retaliatory penalties, even after the Flyers appeared to target Talbot and forward Matt Cooke late in the game.

“In the locker room we kind of talked to each other to make sure we skate away from that stuff and kind of keep our pace going,” Staal said. “I think it turned out great.”

So did Bylsma, a minor league coach until mid-February who has enjoyed a successful NHL playoff debut as a head coach.

“We talked about the higher intensity level the playoffs bring,” Bylsma said. “You have to walk the line. … It’s been a part of every playoff series, it will be a part of every playoff series, and Game 1, we did a decent job of controlling our emotions. But it always is going to be there again game after game after game after game.”

What the Flyers must find is a way to control the Penguins’ speed and depth. The Flyers not only didn’t slow the Crosby or Malkin lines, they got little production from their own deep cast of scorers after being the only NHL team this season with six players who had 25 or more goals.

The Flyers also were the NHL’s most-penalized team, and they spent so much time killing penalties that it wore down center Mike Richards, whose 23 minutes, 17 seconds of ice time were the most of any Philadelphia player except defenseman Braydon Coburn.

“I think I probably did him a little bit of a disservice—he’s arguably our best player and I relied on him I think a little too much,” said Stevens, who, nevertheless, plans to keep Richards on the penalty-killing unit.

The Flyers understand the importance of Game 2 against the confident Penguins, who are 15-6 during the last two postseasons and 10-2 in Pittsburgh.

“You never want to be down in a series, so obviously there’s a little bit more pressure now to get this next win so we can carry some momentum over into our building,” the Flyers’ Matt Carle said. “But at the same time if we go down 2-0 in a series it’s not over. We still have two games in our building. But it’s definitely not a spot you want to be in.”

Last spring, the Flyers lost the first game in each of the first two rounds but came back to win both series.

“Some of the message is the same. When you’re in a seven-game series you have to take each game by itself, whether you win or you lose,” Stevens said. “You can’t get caught up in that one game, it’s one game.”

44Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh - Page 3 Empty Re: Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh on Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:35 am

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Sam Donnellon: Flyers' deadline moves have left them with chemical imbalance

By Sam Donnellon, Philadelphia Daily News April 17, 2009
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PITTSBURGH - As the word implies, chemistry is volatile science. One little change, one added or subtracted element, can make for spectacular results or catastrophic ones. No matter how minor or benign they seem.

When Paul Holmgren traded Scottie Upshall for Daniel Carcillo on March 4, it didn't seem like that big of a deal. When he earlier waived veteran contributors Glen Metropolit and Ossi Vaananen to make cap room for the return of Daniel Briere, it created even smaller waves. As Holmgren said after practice yesterday, "You can argue that those guys wouldn't be playing now anyway.''

But here's the thing, and there's no getting around it. Since those moves, the Flyers have played 11 games against teams involved in the postseason. Including Wednesday's 4-1 thrashing by the Penguins in Game 1 of their first-round series, the Flyers have lost eight of those games.

Overall, they are 10-10-1 since the trade deadline, a record that includes three losses in the last four games. The one win was a come-from-behind, 3-2 victory over the awful Islanders last Saturday. In their two previous games, the Islanders were beaten by a combined score of 15-1, and followed that loss to the Flyers with a season-ending, 6-2 pounding from the top-seeded Bruins.

In early January, the Flyers seemed to be a team so cohesive, so determined, that other teams envied them. Now they seem lost, uninspired or worst of all, uncaring.

"When I'm looking at our team, I like our team,'' Holmgren said yesterday.

So I asked him why the record down the stretch doesn't reflect that.

"I think we've had a kind of cavalier attitude where it's like, 'What's the big deal, it's only one game,' " he said.

When the Flyers dropped a pair of games to Toronto and Ottawa in the final weeks of the season, Flyers captain Mike Richards said almost precisely that. And when they lost to the Rangers in their last game, blowing a chance for home ice against Pittsburgh, several players noted that this was a team that had shown a knack for winning when it was a big deal.

"Well,'' Holmgren said, "we're at the point now where it is a big deal.''

You could argue they've been at that point for the last 2 weeks. The most alarming aspect of the lopsided Game 1 loss to the Penguins was how similar it looked to many of their losses down the stretch. Start out listlessly. Fall behind early. Scramble to play catch-up, incur penalties, treat fortune and misery as one and the same.

Someone pointed out to coach John Stevens yesterday that the Flyers have emerged from the first period with a lead only four times over the last 2 months.

It's not the kind of consistency you're looking for this time of year. And yet the coach has sounded more like his players than his general manager when assessing his team's ills. A repeated Stevens refrain over the final weeks, amid punchless losses to teams with nothing to play for, was that he liked a lot about his team's play, that they just had to "tighten up a few things.''

A wiseguy might list those things as the first, second and third periods.

Good thing I'm not a wiseguy.

But here was the coach yesterday: "I don't think we're that far away from playing better.''

Game 1, he said, "Was an important game for us. We had five or six guys who played their first game. I think that's got a little to do with what I call nervousness. I think we used our emotion the wrong way. I didn't see a lack of energy or a lack of urgency in our play. I just think it got misguided at times. I do think this team is playoff-ready.''

An interesting choice of words. Upshall had playoff experience with Nashville. Montreal picked up Metropolit because of that experience as well.

"Glen is a seasoned veteran who played very well against us in last year's playoffs against the Bruins,'' Bob Gainey, the Canadiens' general manager (and now coach), said when he acquired the veteran. "We are very pleased to have him on our roster.''

Think Stevens feels that way about Carcillo, suspended yesterday for a stick-wielding incident? Think he might not have been tempted to suit up both Upshall and Vaananen in place of a few of those inexperienced guys tonight?

Just to see what happens?

Because it often doesn't take much to change the potion this time of the year. A goalie hunch. Mixing up the lines, or the defense pairings. Anything that might exorcise that cavalier chemistry that so irks Holmgren, even if it comes from his formula.

45Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh - Page 3 Empty Re: Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh on Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:43 am

Cronie

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whoa!! Very interesting take on things.

While I am NO fan of Pitts, unless the Flyers start playing desperate hockey as a cohesive unit, they're finished and the Flightless Birds will continue to roll over them and onto the next round.

46Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh - Page 3 Empty Re: Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh on Fri Apr 17, 2009 6:53 pm

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Of course the best part of all this, is that even if the Flyers DO lose tonight--by no means a foregone conclusion--going back to Philly will see things heat up even more.

:##:

Puck drops in just minutes from now...!!!!

:%%:

47Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh - Page 3 Empty Re: Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh on Fri Apr 17, 2009 7:15 pm

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already a better paced game than game 1

48Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh - Page 3 Empty Re: Round One: Philadelphia @ Pittsburgh on Fri Apr 17, 2009 7:25 pm

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wow i never thought i would say this but the refs might want to call a penalty soon they are letting everything go so far but its starting to get chippy and a little dirty ie the ref stand over malkin and philly player(not sure who) philly player didnt let malkin go way after the play and was holding his stick draging him down

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