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shabbs


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hemlock wrote:
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hemlock wrote:Man, the more I watch this the more ridiculous it seems. This goal was scored in the 13th minute of injury time??????
It was over time. A few more minutes and it would have been a shoot out.

No, it wasn't. The score was 1-0 for Ireland at the time, which happened to be in injury time. 13 minutes is alot of injury time. This goal tied the game.
It was an aggregate score... 1-0 was a "tie" based on the number of goals each side had scored in games that factored in.

Confusing... yes... but it's the way qualifiers work.

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wprager wrote:Oh, I watched a bit more and they clearly show that it was offside. That said, it's a stupid rule -- absolutely no way to call it correctly without the tech that they had shown in the clip (drawing the line that clearly shows the forward ahead of all the defenders). And even then, it's the position of the forward at the time the pass is made -- what if either the passer or the receiver is off-camera at the time the pass is made? Hockey offside rules would be much easier to do in soccer.

Are you sure it's when the pass was made? I thought the ball had to pass by the offside "line" before the attacking player, regardless of where it's coming from, which this play wasn't. Hockey offside rules would create even less in the way of goals imo. The sliding offside rule is great imo, but there should be the option to review.
It's when the ball is kicked... they have to be on-side at that moment.

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There'S a new rule in soccer. Thierry Henry was the first guy to get the ball, and he was not offside when the ball was kicked. If one of the 2 guys that were offside got the ball, it would have been offside.

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At least Henry has come out and admitted it was a hand ball (not like he couldn't) but he's not denying it and said he's not a ref... so he played the whistle.

Video replay for hand balls would be nice.

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THe Republic of Ireland sent an official letter to FIFA to ask for a rematch...

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marakh wrote:THe Republic of Ireland sent an official letter to FIFA to ask for a rematch...
With a bomb in it...?

Wink

They really should play a rematch. This is a World Cup Qualifier.

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marakh wrote:THe Republic of Ireland sent an official letter to FIFA to ask for a rematch...
With a bomb in it...?

Wink

They really should play a rematch. This is a World Cup Qualifier.

There is huge money at stake for Ireland's program. They deserve a rematch.

Sorry about earlier, I didn't realize it was the 2nd game.

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marakh wrote:There'S a new rule in soccer. Thierry Henry was the first guy to get the ball, and he was not offside when the ball was kicked. If one of the 2 guys that were offside got the ball, it would have been offside.

Oh good. The offside rule wasn't confusing enough.

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Well, when the play starts, 2 French players were offside, but until they touch the ball, the play continues. Since, they didn't, the offside is considered null.

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If you thought the refereeing in hockey and basketball was ludicrous, those amateurs don't hold a candle to the corruption of soccer officiating.

For such a popular game, they must be the most primitive of all the international sports in terms of their rule enforcement and use of technology within that.

They still don't review or have any way of knowing whether a close goal should count. At least in hockey and football they watch the replay to determine if the player scored.

I'm just starting to get turned off by soccer. I watch a lot of English premier league and every week I find myself questioning the refereeing to the point of where it's like "come on, really? how does this Dung happen?" But, oh well. What can you do?

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PKC wrote:If you thought the refereeing in hockey and basketball was ludicrous, those amateurs don't hold a candle to the corruption of soccer officiating.

For such a popular game, they must be the most primitive of all the international sports in terms of their rule enforcement and use of technology within that.

They still don't review or have any way of knowing whether a close goal should count. At least in hockey and football they watch the replay to determine if the player scored.

I'm just starting to get turned off by soccer. I watch a lot of English premier league and every week I find myself questioning the refereeing to the point of where it's like "come on, really? how does this Dung happen?" But, oh well. What can you do?

I recommend reading Foul!: The Secret World of FIFA: Bribes, Vote Rigging and Ticket Scandals

It's an enjoyable read about the corruption within the upper ranks of FIFA. It covers decades of scandals, bribes, lies and other fun stuff. Sepp Blatter is as crooked as they come.

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marakh wrote:Well, when the play starts, 2 French players were offside, but until they touch the ball, the play continues. Since, they didn't, the offside is considered null.
Yeah, they have to be off-side and part of the active play. There is a bit of interpretation there which leads to a lot of controversy.

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A very good explanation of the law and all the exceptions can be found here if anyone is interested...

http://www.fifa.com/flash/lotg/football/en/flash/start.html

Nice animation to clearly show what is and is not offside and interfering with active play.

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