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46 Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED) on Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:21 am

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Dash wrote:It's the following year after that has people not interested in him.

Rentals are normally pending free agents, because the team has no obligation to them after the season.

Cheechoo was a salary dump by SJ and is now Ottawa's problem.

However...Kotalik was part of a trade to Calgary and he has TWO more years at 3 million and is every bit the bust that Cheechoo is (more actually IMO). That changed the landscape a lot IMO.

Maybe Calgary wants him around? Or maybe he is going somewhere else? Or maybe it is just because Kotalik hates NY and wants out and Calgary has to take him?

47 Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED) on Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:22 am

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SeawaySensFan wrote:I'd make one of those "other things" Iggy, at this point. But I guess he has a no-move?

You don't even want to hazard a guess on what that price would be. Ahhhhh!

48 Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED) on Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:22 am

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Dash wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:
Dash wrote:It's the following year after that has people not interested in him.

Rentals are normally pending free agents, because the team has no obligation to them after the season.

Cheechoo was a salary dump by SJ and is now Ottawa's problem.

However...Kotalik was part of a trade to Calgary and he has TWO more years at 3 million and is every bit the bust that Cheechoo is (more actually IMO). That changed the landscape a lot IMO.

Maybe Calgary wants him around? Or maybe he is going somewhere else? Or maybe it is just because Kotalik hates NY and wants out and Calgary has to take him?

Maybe Calgary (or insert another team) wants Cheechoo around...

49 Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED) on Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:24 am

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Dash wrote:I would never trade Iginla. Would Ottawa trade Alfredsson?

Maybe the guy that Calgary goes after is Vinny? Remember Higgins was a part of that trade, wasn't he?

I'm not you and you're not Ottawa.

You're right, though. It's tough to believe that CGY thinks Stajan is the Center of their dreams.

50 Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED) on Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:25 am

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SpezzD already mentioned it but I just can't believe there's a trade market for Kotalik.

When he signed in the summer I orginally misread the report and thought he had signed for 3 years at 1 milllion per -- I thought that was too much.

For 3 million dollars this guy is wayyy to 1 dimensional.

Sutter has lost his mind.

51 Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED) on Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:26 am

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Dash wrote:I would never trade Iginla. Would Ottawa trade Alfredsson?

Maybe the guy that Calgary goes after is Vinny? Remember Higgins was a part of that trade, wasn't he?

I'm not you and you're not Ottawa.

You're right, though. It's tough to believe that CGY thinks Stajan is the Center of their dreams.

Joke-inen has zero chemistry with Iginla though. They've tried all sorts of wingers with them and nothing is working. It's clearly a chemistry issue between the two of them. If they can move Olli and bring in the required pieces for Kovalchuk, then it doesn't matter who's at centre between those two. You could put Gordie Howe there (and he's 112 years old) he'd produce.

52 Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED) on Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:27 am

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SDH89 wrote:SpezzD already mentioned it but I just can't believe there's a trade market for Kotalik.

When he signed in the summer I orginally misread the report and thought he had signed for 3 years at 1 milllion per -- I thought that was too much.

For 3 million dollars this guy is wayyy to 1 dimensional.

Sutter has lost his mind.

And that one dimension is playing the point on the PP. That's not saying much for a forward.

53 Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED) on Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:28 am

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hemlock wrote:
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Dash wrote:I would never trade Iginla. Would Ottawa trade Alfredsson?

Maybe the guy that Calgary goes after is Vinny? Remember Higgins was a part of that trade, wasn't he?

I'm not you and you're not Ottawa.

You're right, though. It's tough to believe that CGY thinks Stajan is the Center of their dreams.

Joke-inen has zero chemistry with Iginla though. They've tried all sorts of wingers with them and nothing is working. It's clearly a chemistry issue between the two of them. If they can move Olli and bring in the required pieces for Kovalchuk, then it doesn't matter who's at centre between those two. You could put Gordie Howe there (and he's 112 years old) he'd produce.

And Stajan does fancy himself a playmaker. Maybe that's it then.

54 Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED) on Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:29 am

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There may be a team that would take Cheechoo, maybe not. Likely if they do it is because they are getting something really important and again Cheechoo is just a throw in.

I suspect if there was interest, SJ wouldn't have had such a difficult time moving him.

Back to Kotalik, I recall being pretty surprised by the signing. I thought it was a bad deal, too expensive, and I remember many people (maybe not here cause I couldn't find posts) disagreeing with me saying it was a great deal. I thought the Rangers should have just kept Zherdev, or at least given Grachev a serious shot. Guess I was right afterall. Must have been those smart fans over at TSN.

55 Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED) on Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:31 am

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I don't even really care about trade Cheechoo any more, I think he might be of use the rest of this year...but Murray has to at least make some calls now that Kotalik was 'traded'. If we could plug Whitney in Cheechoo's spot...well, that's more than a slight upgrade to say the least.

56 Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED) on Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:33 am

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SpezDispenser wrote:I don't even really care about trade Cheechoo any more, I think he might be of use the rest of this year...but Murray has to at least make some calls now that Kotalik was 'traded'. If we could plug Whitney in Cheechoo's spot...well, that's more than a slight upgrade to say the least.

Nor do I. I firmly believe that he's an asset on a playoff team.

57 Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED) on Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:35 am

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SeawaySensFan wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:I don't even really care about trade Cheechoo any more, I think he might be of use the rest of this year...but Murray has to at least make some calls now that Kotalik was 'traded'. If we could plug Whitney in Cheechoo's spot...well, that's more than a slight upgrade to say the least.

Nor do I. I firmly believe that he's an asset on a playoff team.

Especially if you have a significant injury in the top six. I would advocate putting Cheechoo with Fisher and Kovalev from here on, but Regin is just so damn cool and good that that's gonna be hard.

He needs 20 games with Fisher and Kovalev for us to see if he can do anything.

58 Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED) on Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:35 am

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Funny you mention that, cause that's exactly what I did in NHL 10 Laughing3 Cheechoo for Whitney straight up.

59 Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED) on Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:36 am

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SpezDispenser wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:I don't even really care about trade Cheechoo any more, I think he might be of use the rest of this year...but Murray has to at least make some calls now that Kotalik was 'traded'. If we could plug Whitney in Cheechoo's spot...well, that's more than a slight upgrade to say the least.

Nor do I. I firmly believe that he's an asset on a playoff team.

Especially if you have a significant injury in the top six. I would advocate putting Cheechoo with Fisher and Kovalev from here on, but Regin is just so damn cool and good that that's gonna be hard.

He needs 20 games with Fisher and Kovalev for us to see if he can do anything.

Won't happen. He won't be put in a scoring role but he'll be fine on the forecheck on the 3rd or 4th line.

60 Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED) on Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:41 am

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Dash wrote:Funny you mention that, cause that's exactly what I did in NHL 10 Cheechoo for Whitney straight up.

You're close. But sources tell me that Kelly, Cheechoo and Kuba will be dealt for The Wizard, Pitkanen and Rod the Bod.

Stay tuned.

61 Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED) on Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:57 am

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You seem to say that a lot, and I can never to if you're being facetious or not...

62 Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED) on Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:00 pm

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Dash wrote:You seem to say that a lot, and I can never to if you're being facetious or not...

If I had any idea what fecesitious meant, I would answer that. Let's just say I'm full of Dung, but that deal would make a lot of sense.

63 Re: Olli Jokinen headed to NYR? (CONFIRMED) on Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:02 pm

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SeawaySensFan wrote:
Dash wrote:You seem to say that a lot, and I can never to if you're being facetious or not...

If I had any idea what fecesitious meant, I would answer that. Let's just say I'm full of Dung, but that deal would make a lot of sense.

It would if Carolina wanted any part in Cheechoo which I'm sure they don't.

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