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stempniaksen


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Anaheim - Lubomir Visnovsky (He still is, but not getting any younger)
Boston - Zdeno Chara
Montreal - Andrei Markov
Chicago - Duncan Keith + Brent Seabrook
Detroit - Niklas Lidstrom
Edmonton - Ryan Whitney (Not close)
Phoenix - Ed Jovanovski (To me he's more of a #2)
Buffalo - Tyler Myers
Toronto - Dion Phaneuf
Calgary - Bouwmeester (not that debatable, maybe another bad year though)
Vancouver - Christian Erhoff (Just a #2 at this point)
Ottawa - Sergei Gonchar (He still is, but could become a #2 very fast)
Washington - Mike Green
Florida - Bryan McCabe (Better than people think, but not hats good)
Tampa Bay - Victor Hedman (Definitely not there yet, but soon)
Carolina - Joni Pitkanen (Don't think he's there yet)
NY Islanders - Marc Streit (for sure)
NY Rangers - Marc Staal (probably a #2 at this point)
NJ Devils - Henrik Tallinder (maybe a #2 at best)
Pittsburgh - Paul Martin (not debatable)
Philadelphia - Chris Pronger + Kimmo Timonen
Columbus -
Nashville - Ryan Suter + Shea Weber
St.Louis - Eric Johnson
Los Angeles - Drew Doughty
Colorado - Kyle Quincey - With more consistency he'd be there
Minnesota - Brent Burns - Debatable, but I'm gonna say no
Dallas - Stephane Robidas
San Jose - Dan Boyle

PTFlea


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Good list Stemp. I purposely left out Hedman, Quincy. They'll have a chance to be one one day, but IMO they're not there yet.

I only disagree about:

Visnovsky - I love this guy, but he's way more in the mold of an offensive D-man. I've found his D lacking in the past, so to me he's not a #1, rather a great #2

Whitney - boy, I think this guy sucks big time. 2nd pairing guy at best.

Robidas - you know I love his game, but is he a number one D-man? Tough question, I think he's more efficient as a #2 or 2nd pairing w/PK and PP time.

stempniaksen


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I shoulda specified that only the bolded guys are guys I consider real #1's and that the other guys are players who are #1's on their team, but can't be considered real #1's.

Visnovsky is just like Gonchar so I would feel like a homer if I included one and not the other, plus he got a bad rap in Edmonton.

Whitney is a bum, but sadly the best that Edmonton can offer. He's definitely not a top pairing player though, haha.

Robidas is like Phillips with more offence and is one of Hockey Canada's favourite guys for a reason (He was the first replacement defenceman at the Olympics). I really do think this guy has it all and is a legit #1 guy.

PTFlea

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I'm on the fence with Robidas, but he's such a wicked player with some offense sprinkled in that I would call him the perfect #2 guys or an *acceptable* number one.

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Bass Destruction wrote:
marakh wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:
Tuk Tuk wrote:
Only one or two of ours could really become legitimate #1 defensemen. OEL and Gormley are both expected to be #1s, and Goncharov has the potential.

I'd say Ottawa's Behind Florida, Anaheim, and maybe Nashville.

I don't think Gormley will ever be a number one, maybe a top pairing # 2 guy, but that's a tough call as well. His hockey IQ is amazing, but he lacks in areas that would prevent him from being a number one. Wiercioch comes to mind as a comparable, but I'm on the fence as to who I prefer.

Maybe we have to settle on the definition of a N1 defenseman, because in my books there are maybe 10 N1 defensemen in the league right now that we can say have the total package.

That's a very good point. How does one define one. A defensively responsible high point getting guy. Does one have to be defensive at all? How about a solid puckmoving defensive defenseman who does not put up many points, does that count? I think the term needs to be defined before we can debate on who in the league is one.

In my books, it's simple:

- Leader in ice time among defensemen
- N1 PP unit
- N1 PK unit
- At least 2 40+ points in their career.

wprager

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OK, define leader in ice time among defensemen. Sounds like there is only one. Did you mean leader on his team, or the top-ten league-wide? Also, very few are N1 PP *and N1 PK. Was Niedermayer on the N1 PK? Maybe it should be N1 either PP or PK and at least N2 on the other one.


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Phoenix.

OEL is the best name on this list. Gormley has incredible IQ but is kind of soft; I think he can be a terrific number 2 but I think it's unlikely that he becomes a 1. Goncharov was really good at the 2009 WJCs, although we should keep in mind that he's 21 now.

Ottawa battles it out for second spot with Florida IMO.

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