11 year old boy held down, stripped, humiliated, and the perpetrators get a slap on the wrist.

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    Post by hemlock on Sat Jun 04, 2011 2:11 pm

    I don't know what disgusts me more about this whole thing: The act itself, or the disgusting troll of a "mother" who won't defend her son (who will certainly be dealing with the fallout from this for years).

    The boy's mother, along with the girls who did this, need to have their asses kicked. Straight up. Forget about probation or any other non effective Dung. Just a straight up beating, followed by equal humiliation.

    I can't even begin to describe what kind of rage I feel against that boy's mother. I have an 11 year old son, and if that happened to him, I'd be pressing charges, after I found the girls myself and knocked them the Diddle out.

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    Post by spader on Sat Jun 04, 2011 2:14 pm

    hemlock wrote:I don't know what disgusts me more about this whole thing: The act itself, or the disgusting troll of a "mother" who won't defend her son (who will certainly be dealing with the fallout from this for years).

    The boy's mother, along with the girls who did this, need to have their asses kicked. Straight up. Forget about probation or any other non effective Dung. Just a straight up beating, followed by equal humiliation.

    I can't even begin to describe what kind of rage I feel against that boy's mother. I have an 11 year old son, and if that happened to him, I'd be pressing charges, after I found the girls myself and knocked them the Diddle out.

    I understand that an emotional act like this gets an emotional response, but you can't think any of the bolded sections are the right or just things to do. Sure, the girls need to be punished, but violent, reactionary punishments reinforce reactionary violence.

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    Post by hemlock on Sat Jun 04, 2011 2:25 pm

    spader wrote:
    hemlock wrote:I don't know what disgusts me more about this whole thing: The act itself, or the disgusting troll of a "mother" who won't defend her son (who will certainly be dealing with the fallout from this for years).

    The boy's mother, along with the girls who did this, need to have their asses kicked. Straight up. Forget about probation or any other non effective Dung. Just a straight up beating, followed by equal humiliation.

    I can't even begin to describe what kind of rage I feel against that boy's mother. I have an 11 year old son, and if that happened to him, I'd be pressing charges, after I found the girls myself and knocked them the Diddle out.

    I understand that an emotional act like this gets an emotional response, but you can't think any of the bolded sections are the right or just things to do. Sure, the girls need to be punished, but violent, reactionary punishments reinforce reactionary violence.

    Of course, the opposite to this argument is: that little to no consequence reinforce that there is no culpability for this kind of behaviour.

    Sometimes, blood demands blood. Society is too soft. This is exactly why kids can do this sort of thing in the first place, because are no consequences anymore. I could go on about "When I was a kid..." but I'll just say that the worst punishment I've ever given any of my kids was to sit in the bathtub and do nothing (since going to their room meant TV, video games etc.). And why? Because physical discipline is socially unacceptable these days. Don't get me wrong, I don't advocate child abuse, but there's a difference between abuse and discipline and nowadays society makes no distinction between the two.

    I'm not kidding either, if it happened to my son, the cops better find the perps..before I do. What do you honestly expect that a time-out or grounding is going to teach these girls? Not a damn thing I suspect, other than they can do what they please with little to no consequence.
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    Post by spader on Sat Jun 04, 2011 2:36 pm

    hemlock wrote:
    spader wrote:
    hemlock wrote:I don't know what disgusts me more about this whole thing: The act itself, or the disgusting troll of a "mother" who won't defend her son (who will certainly be dealing with the fallout from this for years).

    The boy's mother, along with the girls who did this, need to have their asses kicked. Straight up. Forget about probation or any other non effective Dung. Just a straight up beating, followed by equal humiliation.

    I can't even begin to describe what kind of rage I feel against that boy's mother. I have an 11 year old son, and if that happened to him, I'd be pressing charges, after I found the girls myself and knocked them the Diddle out.

    I understand that an emotional act like this gets an emotional response, but you can't think any of the bolded sections are the right or just things to do. Sure, the girls need to be punished, but violent, reactionary punishments reinforce reactionary violence.

    Of course, the opposite to this argument is: that little to no consequence reinforce that there is no culpability for this kind of behaviour.

    Sometimes, blood demands blood. Society is too soft. This is exactly why kids can do this sort of thing in the first place, because are no consequences anymore. I could go on about "When I was a kid..." but I'll just say that the worst punishment I've ever given any of my kids was to sit in the bathtub and do nothing (since going to their room meant TV, video games etc.). And why? Because physical discipline is socially unacceptable these days. Don't get me wrong, I don't advocate child abuse, but there's a difference between abuse and discipline and nowadays society makes no distinction between the two.

    I'm not kidding either, if it happened to my son, the cops better find the perps..before I do. What do you honestly expect that a time-out or grounding is going to teach these girls? Not a damn thing I suspect, other than they can do what they please with little to no consequence.

    We are absolutely in agreement that the girls should be punished in a palpable way. A time-out or a grounding doesn't apply. If I could choose, I'd see that the police pressed charges. I'd also like to see the girls work to pay the boy's mother for counselling sessions (that debt would literally take them years of summers to work off). I think the girls should end up in counselling as well. That sort of behaviour indicates a disconnect that needs to be addressed.
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    Post by shabbs on Sat Jun 04, 2011 2:37 pm

    The police should pursue that then... as they can't do anything else unless the boy's parents press charges... would give the girls one hell of a wake up call.
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    Post by hemlock on Sat Jun 04, 2011 2:53 pm

    spader wrote:
    hemlock wrote:
    spader wrote:
    hemlock wrote:I don't know what disgusts me more about this whole thing: The act itself, or the disgusting troll of a "mother" who won't defend her son (who will certainly be dealing with the fallout from this for years).

    The boy's mother, along with the girls who did this, need to have their asses kicked. Straight up. Forget about probation or any other non effective Dung. Just a straight up beating, followed by equal humiliation.

    I can't even begin to describe what kind of rage I feel against that boy's mother. I have an 11 year old son, and if that happened to him, I'd be pressing charges, after I found the girls myself and knocked them the Diddle out.

    I understand that an emotional act like this gets an emotional response, but you can't think any of the bolded sections are the right or just things to do. Sure, the girls need to be punished, but violent, reactionary punishments reinforce reactionary violence.

    Of course, the opposite to this argument is: that little to no consequence reinforce that there is no culpability for this kind of behaviour.

    Sometimes, blood demands blood. Society is too soft. This is exactly why kids can do this sort of thing in the first place, because are no consequences anymore. I could go on about "When I was a kid..." but I'll just say that the worst punishment I've ever given any of my kids was to sit in the bathtub and do nothing (since going to their room meant TV, video games etc.). And why? Because physical discipline is socially unacceptable these days. Don't get me wrong, I don't advocate child abuse, but there's a difference between abuse and discipline and nowadays society makes no distinction between the two.

    I'm not kidding either, if it happened to my son, the cops better find the perps..before I do. What do you honestly expect that a time-out or grounding is going to teach these girls? Not a damn thing I suspect, other than they can do what they please with little to no consequence.

    We are absolutely in agreement that the girls should be punished in a palpable way. A time-out or a grounding doesn't apply. If I could choose, I'd see that the police pressed charges. I'd also like to see the girls work to pay the boy's mother for counselling sessions (that debt would literally take them years of summers to work off). I think the girls should end up in counselling as well. That sort of behaviour indicates a disconnect that needs to be addressed.

    That seems fair enough to me. I'd also consider publicly outing the girls too, much like those people who are sentenced to standing in front of a store with signs proclaiming that they are thieves.

    As far as the police go, because it's a lesser crime they cannot do anything without the victim (in this case his parents) wanting to press charges. If it were a felony, the police wouldn't need the victim's permission to pursue charges. IMO, In the event of a child, the police should be able to intervene in the case of a stupid/incompetent parent.

    That still blows my mind more than anything, is the boys mother and her refusal to stand up for her child.
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    Post by wprager on Sat Jun 04, 2011 3:04 pm

    shabbs wrote:Bass makes an interesting point... could the uploading of the video constitute producing and distributing child porn?

    Simple answer, no. It's not porn.


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    Post by hemlock on Sat Jun 04, 2011 3:29 pm

    wprager wrote:
    shabbs wrote:Bass makes an interesting point... could the uploading of the video constitute producing and distributing child porn?

    Simple answer, no. It's not porn.

    It's not that simple.
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    Post by TheAvatar on Sat Jun 04, 2011 3:45 pm

    wprager wrote:
    shabbs wrote:Bass makes an interesting point... could the uploading of the video constitute producing and distributing child porn?

    Simple answer, no. It's not porn.

    Google naked humiliation video 3 females 1 male and see what you get.
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    Post by spader on Sat Jun 04, 2011 4:25 pm

    hemlock wrote:
    wprager wrote:
    shabbs wrote:Bass makes an interesting point... could the uploading of the video constitute producing and distributing child porn?

    Simple answer, no. It's not porn.

    It's not that simple.

    Agreed. It's not that simple. At the same time, it's that simple. Vertigo
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    Post by hemlock on Sat Jun 04, 2011 5:08 pm

    spader wrote:
    hemlock wrote:
    wprager wrote:
    shabbs wrote:Bass makes an interesting point... could the uploading of the video constitute producing and distributing child porn?

    Simple answer, no. It's not porn.

    It's not that simple.

    Agreed. It's not that simple. At the same time, it's that simple. Vertigo

    Not really. The act itself could be construed as a crime, but the 2nd part is the most despicable part. After the act, instead of remorse, the girls took the time to upload it to youtube. You could certainly argue distribution there if you can make the argument that the first part (the act itself) is a child pornography (which I believe it is, out in broad daylight no less). It's certainly not an open and shut case, but it's certainly serious enough that it could be taken to court. I go back to whomever mentioned that if the genders were reversed. This would be a court case without question.

    Even if you couldn't argue that the act itself was child pornography, it is without question an assault and charges ought to be filed regardless if the gutless, idiot mother doesn't want to or not.

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