2012 NHL Draft

While I agree that it was a poor signing, he still could have signed elsewhere but he chose to stay in Edmonton. With Edmonton supposedly not being a contender for years, why would he choose to stay? If he has the power to leave, is he really going to stay in Edmonton for a few million dollars more over a chance to win?

So the argument goes from "nobody wants to play in Edmonton" to now becoming "nobody wants to play in Edmonton unless they are overpaid".

To claim "nobody wants to play in Edmonton" is making a huge and false generalization.

Also, you have to realize some teams have to overpay to simply reach the cap floor. Some teams have to offer 35+ year olds longer terms to sign with them (Ottawa). It's not like top free agents are lining up to sign with them either.

really TSN...

Haha oh boy....

Hmmm... Montreal could trade down, add some picks/prospects, draft M. Subban, trade Price for a huge package...

I don't get the reference. It's because his first name is Malcolm right?

and he is black. And MAlcolm X was a black rights activist. And X is the roman numeral for 10, and Subban is now in the top 10 on Craig Button's list.

Big Ev wrote:really TSN...

That's almost as offensive as someone tweeting as "PK Subban's Nostrils."

Riprock wrote:and he is black. And MAlcolm X was a black rights activist. And X is the roman numeral for 10, and Subban is now in the top 10 on Craig Button's list.

Thanks for clearing that up. I knew it'd be you or Prags.

Are you serious or were you being facetious, cause I can't tell.

So where will the Sens be drafting?

Any interest in Brendan Gaunce (C) or Matt Finn (D) for the Sens?

shabbs wrote:So where will the Sens be drafting?

Any interest in Brendan Gaunce (C) or Matt Finn (D) for the Sens?

I think we draft 15th?

Griffin Reinhart, FTW! http://thehockeywriters.com/griffin-reinhart-the-next-ones-2012-nhl-draft-prospect-profile/

Doubt he falls to 15 though.

Given that most of us want the Sens to draft a d-man in the first round, their could be any one of the following available:

Morgan Rielly, Cody Ceci, Reinhart, Olli Maatta, Matt Finn, Slater Koekkoek, and Derrick Pouliot.

Really like Maatta the more I read about him.

Pouliot and Cecil might be gone at 15.

No Swedish forward? Colbert and Aberg are the 2 I think.

We'll see...

I'm on the Matt Finn train... woo woo!!!!

Central Scouting has Maatta ranked ahead of Trouba, Reinhart, Dumba, and Pouliot...so the scouts would agree with you, SD!

Reinhart won't get past the top 10. Too much to like about him.

NEELY wrote:Reinhart won't get past the top 10. Too much to like about him.

I agree, I don't see him falling outside the top 10. Maybe Ottawa will trade up for him!!! Or maybe there's so many D on the table in the first round that we'll be content with any number of them at pick #15.

I'll assume Murray finds the sleeper again and either trades up to get the guy or trades down because he's a true sleeper. Either way, Ottawa will be picking up a D man.

SpezDispenser wrote:Really like Maatta the more I read about him.

Pouliot and Cecil might be gone at 15.

No Swedish forward? Colbert and Aberg are the 2 I think.

We'll see...

heh heh you're welcome. Hes playing great for the knights, wouldn't be surprised if he slipped down into the top 10.

sens4win wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Really like Maatta the more I read about him.

Pouliot and Cecil might be gone at 15.

No Swedish forward? Colbert and Aberg are the 2 I think.

We'll see...

heh heh you're welcome. Hes playing great for the knights, wouldn't be surprised if he slipped down into the top 10.

Yeah, it's friggin hard to keep all these kid's names straight, but good call on him.

tim1_2 wrote:Central Scouting has Maatta ranked ahead of Trouba, Reinhart, Dumba, and Pouliot...so the scouts would agree with you, SD!

Madness...I don't see how a team would take Maatta ahead of Trouba or Reinhart - or even Pouliot. Don't know much about Dumba, but the other guys seem like slam dunks to go in the 10-15 range, while I think Maatta might fall right in our lap.

Maybe this happened recently that he surged ahead of those other guys. As S4 was saying, he's been excellent in the OHL playoffs.

There's been a lot of injuries this year in the top end of the 2012 draft prospects... so we may be in for some surprises when the draft rolls around...

shabbs wrote:There's been a lot of injuries this year in the top end of the 2012 draft prospects... so we may be in for some surprises when the draft rolls around...

We're not quite in the position to really take advantage - that's been in the 11-13 range in the last little while (Gormley, Fowler and more I can't remember), but it could really push a gem our way - like Maatta, Trouba, Reinhart.

As mentioned, maybe we try to move up and nab someone different.

If you think about it, if all those d-men you listed are top 15 picks, then there is a good chance that the Sens will be able to get one of them, or another not mentioned, based on this:

NHL Central Scouting lists their top NA Skaters as:

Nail Yakupov, Ryan Murray, Mikhail Grigorenko, Alex Galchenyuk, and Morgan Reilly.

Ceci is 6th, Maatta is 8th, Trouba 9th, Reinhart 10th, Dumba 11th, Pouliot 12th, Gaunce 13th, and Finn 16th.

Already, that is 13 players rumoured and projected to be top 15 picks, and I haven't even mentioned Forsberg (which makes 14).

Outside of that, Martin Frk is another guy who could be a top 6 sniper winger.

Best thing that could happen is a run of forwards taken in the top 10.

So, should Edmonton draft Ryan Murray, they could trade the #1 pick to Columbus for the 2nd overall pick and LA's 1st overall pick. That could be one option for them.

Edit: the 1st round pick LA sent to CLB is conditional - since LA made the playoffs, Columbus apparently has the option to take their 2012 or 2103 pick.

Or maybe they could trade Sam Gagner for a young top 4 defenceman of the same age?

Edit: MyNHLDraft projects the Sens taking Ludvig Bystrom (MODO) ahead of Maatta, Koekoek and Finn to name a few.

Riprock wrote:So, should Edmonton draft Ryan Murray, they could trade the #1 pick to Columbus for the 2nd overall pick and LA's 1st overall pick. That could be one option for them.

Edit: the 1st round pick LA sent to CLB is conditional - since LA made the playoffs, Columbus apparently has the option to take their 2012 or 2103 pick.

Or maybe they could trade Sam Gagner for a young top 4 defenceman of the same age?

Edit: MyNHLDraft projects the Sens taking Ludvig Bystrom (MODO) ahead of Maatta, Koekoek and Finn to name a few.

If there's one thing everyone should know by now it's a teams draft rankings are a lot different than anyone elses projections. Bobby Mac is the best out there and that's the only guy or place I really pay attention too.

Riprock wrote:If you think about it, if all those d-men you listed are top 15 picks, then there is a good chance that the Sens will be able to get one of them, or another not mentioned, based on this:

NHL Central Scouting lists their top NA Skaters as:

Nail Yakupov, Ryan Murray, Mikhail Grigorenko, Alex Galchenyuk, and Morgan Reilly.

Ceci is 6th, Maatta is 8th, Trouba 9th, Reinhart 10th, Dumba 11th, Pouliot 12th, Gaunce 13th, and Finn 16th.

Already, that is 13 players rumoured and projected to be top 15 picks, and I haven't even mentioned Forsberg (which makes 14).

Outside of that, Martin Frk is another guy who could be a top 6 sniper winger.

That doesn't even include Aberg and Collberg. So yeah, we'll be okay for sure.

Riprock wrote:So, should Edmonton draft Ryan Murray, they could trade the #1 pick to Columbus for the 2nd overall pick and LA's 1st overall pick. That could be one option for them.

Edit: the 1st round pick LA sent to CLB is conditional - since LA made the playoffs, Columbus apparently has the option to take their 2012 or 2103 pick.

Or maybe they could trade Sam Gagner for a young top 4 defenceman of the same age?

Edit: MyNHLDraft projects the Sens taking Ludvig Bystrom (MODO) ahead of Maatta, Koekoek and Finn to name a few.

Diddle, let's not start the "What's wrong with the Oilers" discussion all over again.

Everything is wrong with the Oilers from Kevin Lowe down. They have no idea what they are doing. Basically the "lets just hope it works out" deal. Throw Dung at a wall and hope it sticks.

If they don't make the playoffs next year or at least come damn close they better be changing direction.

Hampus Lindholm is the Swede you want

Big Ev wrote:Hampus Lindholm is the Swede you want

That's the guy I was forgetting. Big Swedish D-man IIRC.

I dunno if 6'2" is considered "big" anymore, but yeah, I'd be alright with Hampus!!

He's not "big", he's just really solid at both ends. Plays like a Jonas Brodin of the Wild (drafted 10th overall last year).

One way or the other, we're gonna add a nice piece going forward - which is very exciting considering just how well Murray and co. has drafted recently.

Dorion was also talking about a couple of Europeans they want to sign, wonder who they are. Anyone have any ideas?

SpezDispenser wrote:One way or the other, we're gonna add a nice piece going forward - which is very exciting considering just how well Murray and co. has drafted recently.

Dorion was also talking about a couple of Europeans they want to sign, wonder who they are. Anyone have any ideas?

I listened to the interview but don't remember him talking about signing Europeans.

Big Ev wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:One way or the other, we're gonna add a nice piece going forward - which is very exciting considering just how well Murray and co. has drafted recently.

Dorion was also talking about a couple of Europeans they want to sign, wonder who they are. Anyone have any ideas?

I listened to the interview but don't remember him talking about signing Europeans.

I thought he did...I had a hard time concentrating, so I might be wrong.

I'm hoping we draft a kid like Calle Andersson with our 3rd rounder, if he is still around. I'm hoping the fact he doesn't get too much attention will help us out:

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=30181

He's considered 15th among european skaters in the CSS, and 48th in the ISS.

Or if we drafted the 6 foot, 162 lbs centre Erik Karlsson out of Frolunda, just to confuse people.

Aberg played for Djurgarden. There was a blogger on Hockeybuzz doing a bit on players in the draft... he liked Aberg to an Alfie type player...

He's 5'11" and 195.. pretty stocky...

Aberg's definitely an intriguing pick. Lots of work for Dorion and Murray to do to come to a clear ranking of these players. If they pick a forward, we'll know how much they like him will all the Ds available.

SpezDispenser wrote:Aberg's definitely an intriguing pick. Lots of work for Dorion and Murray to do to come to a clear ranking of these players. If they pick a forward, we'll know how much they like him will all the Ds available.

Please like a D-man!

After years of screaming for some solid forward prospects, we are flush atm. Another solid D prospect is in order methinks. That and a goaltender in the later rounds. A long term project would be nice.

Big Ev wrote:really TSN...

Bahaha.

Is that the white way to caption an article?

Terrible.

tim1_2 wrote:

shabbs wrote:So where will the Sens be drafting?

Any interest in Brendan Gaunce (C) or Matt Finn (D) for the Sens?

I think we draft 15th?

Griffin Reinhart, FTW! http://thehockeywriters.com/griffin-reinhart-the-next-ones-2012-nhl-draft-prospect-profile/

Doubt he falls to 15 though.

Given that most of us want the Sens to draft a d-man in the first round, their could be any one of the following available:

Morgan Rielly, Cody Ceci, Reinhart, Olli Maatta, Matt Finn, Slater Koekkoek, and Derrick Pouliot.

Reinhart could be there, but there would probably have to be a run on forwards early on. He's a guy I'd love to see the Sens draft. Maatta too.

The Silfer Server wrote:I'm hoping we draft a kid like Calle Andersson with our 3rd rounder, if he is still around. I'm hoping the fact he doesn't get too much attention will help us out:

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=30181

He's considered 15th among european skaters in the CSS, and 48th in the ISS.

Or if we drafted the 6 foot, 162 lbs centre Erik Karlsson out of Frolunda, just to confuse people.

yeah I've mentioned him before as well. He would make a good sleeper