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Re: 2012 NHL Draft

Post by hemlock on Tue May 08, 2012 7:16 pm

Big Ev wrote:really TSN...



Bahaha.

Is that the white way to caption an article?

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Re: 2012 NHL Draft

Post by hemlock on Tue May 08, 2012 7:19 pm

tim1_2 wrote:
shabbs wrote:So where will the Sens be drafting?

Any interest in Brendan Gaunce (C) or Matt Finn (D) for the Sens?

I think we draft 15th?

Griffin Reinhart, FTW! http://thehockeywriters.com/griffin-reinhart-the-next-ones-2012-nhl-draft-prospect-profile/

Doubt he falls to 15 though.

Given that most of us want the Sens to draft a d-man in the first round, their could be any one of the following available:

Morgan Rielly, Cody Ceci, Reinhart, Olli Maatta, Matt Finn, Slater Koekkoek, and Derrick Pouliot.

Reinhart could be there, but there would probably have to be a run on forwards early on. He's a guy I'd love to see the Sens draft. Maatta too.

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Re: 2012 NHL Draft

Post by Ev on Tue May 08, 2012 9:18 pm

The Silfer Server wrote:I'm hoping we draft a kid like Calle Andersson with our 3rd rounder, if he is still around. I'm hoping the fact he doesn't get too much attention will help us out:

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=30181

He's considered 15th among european skaters in the CSS, and 48th in the ISS.

Or if we drafted the 6 foot, 162 lbs centre Erik Karlsson out of Frolunda, just to confuse people.

yeah I've mentioned him before as well. He would make a good sleeper

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Re: 2012 NHL Draft

Post by SpezDispenser on Tue May 08, 2012 10:28 pm

hemlock wrote:
Big Ev wrote:really TSN...



Bahaha.

Is that the white way to caption an article?

Terrible. Facepalm

Yeah, that's cringe-worthy.

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Re: 2012 NHL Draft

Post by NEELY on Sun May 13, 2012 4:36 pm

If they are going to draft a D then might as well go for the guys that are built to play in a 3, 4 role, no need to swing for the fences. To me those 2 guys are Finn and Maatta. They play somewhat simple games but seem to know when to jump into the play and when to just hang back. If they can get a steady, reliable D man out of the #15 hole then fantastic.

If they are going to draft a forward stick with Frolunda and go with Collberg.

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Post by SpezDispenser on Sun May 13, 2012 4:38 pm

Agreed. I like Maatta a lot right now. He'd be the target.

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Re: 2012 NHL Draft

Post by NEELY on Sun May 13, 2012 4:41 pm

Finn's play a lot like Canadian's as well, ton of heart and play well within a system. I think those are the 2 players Ottawa will probably target. That said, I thought they would target MacFarland and they ended up trading that pick for Rundblad.

Only pick I was ever right about was Lehner.

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Post by SpezDispenser on Sun May 13, 2012 4:48 pm

Not sure I've ever been right about a 2nd rounder (not sure if I've been right about a 1st rounder for that matter).

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Re: 2012 NHL Draft

Post by Riprock on Sun May 13, 2012 4:58 pm

No problem this year, Sens don't have any.

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Re: 2012 NHL Draft

Post by Ev on Sun May 13, 2012 5:10 pm

with a middle-round pick, it's so wide open as to who they can draft. We don't have an idea of who they are targeting, we don't know who will fall etc. We may get a hint if they bring some guys over to Ottawa for pre-draft workouts.

As was said, Maatta and Finn would seem logical targets if they want D. The others that I have previously discussed are Koekkoek and Lindholm. All 4 would be fine selections and each are a little different from each other. I prefer Koekkoek and Lindholm to the other two but wouldn't be mad with any of those guys. Wouldn't be mad with any pick, F or D, really.

Derrick Pouliot is a very skilled d-man out of Portland however he is know more for offence than his D.

It should come down to those 5 + Ludvig Bystrom (if the other highly touted D don't fall).

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Post by NEELY on Sun May 13, 2012 5:33 pm

Big Ev wrote:with a middle-round pick, it's so wide open as to who they can draft. We don't have an idea of who they are targeting, we don't know who will fall etc. We may get a hint if they bring some guys over to Ottawa for pre-draft workouts.

As was said, Maatta and Finn would seem logical targets if they want D. The others that I have previously discussed are Koekkoek and Lindholm. All 4 would be fine selections and each are a little different from each other. I prefer Koekkoek and Lindholm to the other two but wouldn't be mad with any of those guys. Wouldn't be mad with any pick, F or D, really.

Derrick Pouliot is a very skilled d-man out of Portland however he is know more for offence than his D.

It should come down to those 5 + Ludvig Bystrom (if the other highly touted D don't fall).

Love that pick as well. He has a bit of a mean streak too doesn't he?

As for Pouliot, not a huge fan of players who play sheltered mins on stacked teams. To me, you pick him in the top 20 you are taking a huge risk. Drafting 15th I think they should be drafting a safe pick, a guy that will be in their lineup. They already his their home runs with Karlsson and Cowen, now you fill out the lineup.

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Re: 2012 NHL Draft

Post by Ev on Sun May 13, 2012 6:08 pm

NEELY wrote:
Big Ev wrote:with a middle-round pick, it's so wide open as to who they can draft. We don't have an idea of who they are targeting, we don't know who will fall etc. We may get a hint if they bring some guys over to Ottawa for pre-draft workouts.

As was said, Maatta and Finn would seem logical targets if they want D. The others that I have previously discussed are Koekkoek and Lindholm. All 4 would be fine selections and each are a little different from each other. I prefer Koekkoek and Lindholm to the other two but wouldn't be mad with any of those guys. Wouldn't be mad with any pick, F or D, really.

Derrick Pouliot is a very skilled d-man out of Portland however he is know more for offence than his D.

It should come down to those 5 + Ludvig Bystrom (if the other highly touted D don't fall).

Love that pick as well. He has a bit of a mean streak too doesn't he?

As for Pouliot, not a huge fan of players who play sheltered mins on stacked teams. To me, you pick him in the top 20 you are taking a huge risk. Drafting 15th I think they should be drafting a safe pick, a guy that will be in their lineup. They already his their home runs with Karlsson and Cowen, now you fill out the lineup.

Cowen was a pretty safe pick, I think. Don't really see how he was a home run type pick other than his injuries.

Pouliot has several traits which suggest he could excel in Ottawa's system. He has great vision, is said to be one the best passers in this draft when it comes to d-men, and he has fine size as well. Ottawa is a team who really needs to capitalize on their PP's, and this is another are where he excels. He's a left handed D who I think would make a good combo with Karlsson on the PP. IMO, Ottawa is in need of another skilled puck-moving defenseman one day (not to throw all the eggs in one Karlsson sized basket), and Pouliot fits the bill. I also wouldn't say he plays sheltered minutes. He and Joe Morrow are relied upon a lot on the Hawks. He is playing very well against the top team in the league right now (Edmonton) and his stock might increase if he were to go onto the Mem Cup and have a big showing there. Finally, he has the pedigree, having been selected first overall in the 2009 WHL draft, and he has had a pretty good developmental curve.

He wouldn't be my top choice out of the guys previously mentioned, but I still think he's a good option. Wouldn't be surprised to see him go higher than 15th anyway. The reason he doesn't is because he isn't as "all-around" as some other d-men. Definitely will need some time to improve his defensive game in the WHL and the NHL one day.

I agree with what you are saying. Other guys may be safer and may be the better pick for Ottawa at this time. Just think he would really work in Ottawa's system due to the transition from D to F being a huge component of the Sens offence (at least with what we saw this season).

Here's a decent analysis of him: http://whl-from-above.blogspot.ca/2012/04/officially-on-radar-derrick-pouliot.html

As for Koekkoek, yeah he can play physical. Definitely a wildcard in the draft as he has very good potential but was not seen a lot this season due to his injury. Nice size, and a local kid. I believe the Sens will have scouted him a fair amount due to Puempel being on the same team.

Here's a mini-report on him from Hockey Prospect (a pretty good site run by an ex-coach/scout Mark Edwards):

Koekkoek is a smooth skating defenseman that uses his frame and strength to his advantage. He loves to join the rush and can be counted on to use his hockey IQ in knowing when to jump up or stay back. His shot is quick and accurate which makes him even more of a threat when he decides to wheel with the puck.

If Koekkoek continues to improve his footwork and outlet passing, he will be that much more of a threat as opposition will begin to think twice about dumping the puck into his corner. One of the underrated areas of Koekkoek’s game is the fact that he has experience not only playing in high pressure games but excelling in these games; a quality that a lot of players in the 2012 draft don’t have.

He isn't as safe as a guy like Maatta or a Lindholm, but I think he may be the better pick. We'll see what happens but I think there's a big chance he may be a Senator.

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Re: 2012 NHL Draft

Post by Riprock on Sun May 13, 2012 9:10 pm

I think Maatta is going to rise a lot as he is playing pretty well I understand and London is going to win the OHL title, possibly the CHL Mem. Cup.

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Re: 2012 NHL Draft

Post by Ev on Sun May 13, 2012 9:33 pm

Riprock wrote:I think Maatta is going to rise a lot as he is playing pretty well I understand and London is going to win the OHL title, possibly the CHL Mem. Cup.

They already won it Wink.

yes that is another reason why i don't think Ottawa picks him; he might go higher.

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Re: 2012 NHL Draft

Post by Flo The Action on Tue May 15, 2012 2:08 pm

here's the updated craig buttons list for the entry draft. I know his list isn't a very good one in terms as to where players get picked but there's some weird placements in there.
those are a few that i'd be very surprised if they dropped that low.
I haven't been able to do the homework much this year on this years class but some of these look odd to say the least.
http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=49649
1. Nail Yakupov 1 Sarnia (OHL) 10/6/93 RW L 5'11/189 42 31 38 69 +15

2. Mathew Dumba 2 Red Deer (WHL) 7/25/94 D R 5'11/183 69 20 37 57 -6

3. Morgan Rielly 4 Moose Jaw (WHL) 3/9/94 D L 6'0/190 18 3 15 18 +6

4. Alex Galchenyuk 5 Sarnia (OHL) 2/12/94 C L 6'1/197 2 0 0 0 -4

5. Teuvo Teravainen 7 Jokerit (FIN) 9/11/94 RW L 5'11/165
40 11 7 18 -5

6. Griffin Reinhart 6 Edmonton (WHL) 1/24/94 D L 6'3/202 58 12 24 36 +23

7. Filip Forsberg 3 Leksands (SWE) 8/13/94 LW R 6'2/181 53 10 10 20 +1

8. Malcolm Subban 10 Belleville (OHL) 12/21/93 G L 6'1/188 39 25 2.50 .923 3

9. Matt Finn 8 Guelph (OHL) 2/24/94 D L 6'0/195 61 10 38 48 -13

10. Hampus Lindholm 9 Rogle (SWE) 1/20/94 D L 6'2/196 36 2 7 9 +7

11. Cody Ceci 11 Ottawa (OHL 12/21/93 D R 6'2/207 64 17 43 60 +21

12. Ryan Murray 12 Everett (WHL) 9/27/93 D L 6'0/205 46 9 22 31 E

13. Jacob Trouba 13 USNTDP 2/26/94 D R 6'2/193 54 9 23 32 -

14. Mark Jankowski 15 Stanstead (Quebec Prep) 9/13/94 C L 6'2/170 57 53 40 93 +51

15. Andrei Vasilevski 20 Ufa (KHL) 7/25/94 G L 6'3/204 27 - 2.23 .931 -

16. Zemgus Girgensons 16 Dubuque (USHL) 1/5/94 C L 6'1/198 49 24 31 55 +17

17. Radek Faksa 18 Kitchener (OHL) 1/9/94 C L 6'3/202 69 29 37 66 +19

18. Derrick Pouliot 17 Portland (WHL) 1/16/94 D L 5'11/186 72 11 48 59 +15

19. Ludvig Bystrom 21 MODO (SWE) 7/20/94 D L 6'1/208 42 8 25 33 -3

20. Mikhail Grigorenko 14 Quebec (QMJHL) 5/16/94 C L 6'3/200 59 40 45 85 +35

21. Tom Wilson 22 Plymouth (OHL) 3/29/94 RW R 6'4/203 49 9 18 27 +17

22. Tomas Hertl 23 Slavia Praha (Czech) 12/11/93 C L 6'2/198 38 12 13 25 -

23. Pontus Aberg 24 Djurgardens (SWE) 9/23/93 LW R 5'11/194 54 9 7 16 -3

24. Michael Matheson 28 Dubuque (USHL) 2/27/94 D L 6'1/178 53 11 17 28 E

25. Scott Laughton 30 Oshawa (OHL) 5/30/94 C L 6'0/177 64 21 32 53 +8

26. Gemel Smith 25 Owen Sound (OHL) 4/16/94 LW L 5'10/160 68 21 39 60 E

27. Brady Skeji 33 USNTDP 3/26/94 D L 6'2/200 60 4 19 23 -

28. Sebastien Collberg 19 Frolunda (SWE) 2/23/94 RW R 5'11/176 23 9 8 17 +2

29. Phillip Di Giuseppe 27 Michigan (CCHA) 10/9/93 LW L 5'11/176 40 11 15 26 +23

30. Olli Maatta - London (OHL) 8/22/94 D L 6'1/202 58 5 27 32 +25

31. Oscar Dansk 29 Brynas (SWE) 2/28/94 G L 6'2/183 30 2.82 .901 2

32. Mikko Vainonen 34 HIFK (FIN) 4/11/94 D L 6'2/205 38 7 11 18 -

33. Slater Koekkoek 36 Peterborough (OHL) 2/18/94 D L 6'2/186 26 5 13 18 -7

34. Adam Pelech 40 Erie (OHL) 8/18/94 D L 6'2/210 44 2 18 20 -20

35. Jarrod Maidens 31 Owen Sound (OHL) 3/4/94 LW L 6'1/178 28 12 11 23 -2

36. Devin Shore 46 Whitby (OJHL) 7/19/94 C L 6'0/184 52 31 39 70 -

37. Brendan Gaunce 26 Belleville (OHL) 3/25/94 C L 6'2/215 68 28 40 68 +4

38. Brady Vail 39 Windsor (OHL) 3/11/94 LW L 6'0/195 68 22 30 52 +1

39. Esa Lindell 43 Jokerit Jr. (Fin) 5/23/94 D L 6'3/194 48 21 30 51 -

40. Patrick Sieloff 32 USNTDP 5/14/94 D L 6'0/198 60 3 7 10 -

41. Damon Severson 41 Kelowna (WHL) 8/7/94 D R 6'1/200 56 7 30 37 +5

42. Tanner Pearson 38 Barrie (OHL) 9/10/92 LW L 6'0/198 61 37 54 91 +21

43. Matthew Murray 48 Sault Ste. Marie (OHL) 5/25/94 G L 6'4/162 36 13 4.08 .876 0

44. Stefan Matteau 47 USNTDP 2/23/94 C L 6'2/210 46 15 17 32

45. Vyacheslav Osnovin - Cheljabinsk (RUS) 3/5/94 C L 6'0/188 45 7 18 25 -

46. Lukas Sutter 44 Saskatoon (WHL) 10/4/93 C L 6'0/207 70 28 31 59 +15

47. Mike Winther 35 Prince Albert (WHL) 7/9/94 C L 5'11/175 71 32 24 56 -9

48. Ville Pokka 45 Karpat Oulu (FIN) 6/3/94 D R 5'11/198 35 0 3 3 -3

49. Christoval Nieves 50 Kent School (USHS) 1/23/94 LW L 6'2/184 26 7 32 39 -

50. Michael Houser - London (OHL) 9/13/92 G L 6'1/190 62 46 2.47 .925 6

51. Dalton Thrower - Saskatoon (WHL) 12/20/93 D R 6'0/189 66 18 36 54 -4

52. Tomas Hyka 49 Gatineau (QMJHL) 3/23/93 RW R 5'11/164 50 20 44 64 +14

53. Brandon Whitney 51 Victoriaville (QMJHL) 5/11/94 G L 6'5/193 36 22 2.74 .896 2

54. Henrik Samuelsson 57 Edmonton (WHL) 2/7/94 RW R 6'2/195 28 7 16 23 +18

55. Martin Frk 37 Halifax (QMJHL) 10/5/93 RW R 6'0/204 34 16 13 29 -9

56. Andreas Athanasiou 42 London (OHL) 8/6/94 C L 6'0/179 63 22 15 37 +22

57. Jon Gillies 52 Indiana (USHL) 1/22/94 G L 6'4/210 53 31 2.77 .915 3

58. Jordan Schmaltz 60 Green Bay (USHL) 10/8/93 D R 6'2/189 55 10 31 41 +11

59. Anton Slepyshev 53 Penza (RUS) 5/13/94 LW R 6'0/160 52 11 5 16 -

60. Dillon Fournier 55 Rouyn Noranda (QMJHL) 6/15/94 D L 6'2/180 52 9 28 37 -8

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Re: 2012 NHL Draft

Post by shabbs on Tue May 15, 2012 2:16 pm

He's got Finn going quite high... and Gaunce way down there... interesting...

He's showing some Maatta love too. Big jump up for him.


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Post by sens4win on Tue May 15, 2012 6:33 pm

shabbs wrote:He's got Finn going quite high... and Gaunce way down there... interesting...

He's showing some Maatta love too. Big jump up for him.

Sarcasm ?

On another note, id love to see the Sens draft -

Olli Maatta
Tom Wilson
Pontus Aberg
Sebastian Collberg
Anders Athanasiou (2nd round)

Dark horse pick -

Seth Griffith

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Post by Riprock on Tue May 15, 2012 7:20 pm

Sens don't have any 2nd round picks.

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Re: 2012 NHL Draft

Post by shabbs on Tue May 15, 2012 7:34 pm

sens4win wrote:
shabbs wrote:He's got Finn going quite high... and Gaunce way down there... interesting...

He's showing some Maatta love too. Big jump up for him.

Sarcasm ?

On another note, id love to see the Sens draft -

Olli Maatta
Tom Wilson
Pontus Aberg
Sebastian Collberg
Anders Athanasiou (2nd round)

Dark horse pick -

Seth Griffith
No, no sarcasm. His stock has risen lately for sure... Button had him 60th last time...

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Post by NEELY on Tue May 15, 2012 8:06 pm

Riprock wrote:Sens don't have any 2nd round picks.

Don't need them.

They picked out Da Costa (probably worth a late 1st) Stone (probably a mid to late 1st), Boroweicki (2nd rounder), not to mention Peumple, Zibanejad, Wiercoich, Noesen, Prince, Silfverberg, and Lehner. He used those 2nd rounders to solidfy the 2 biggest holes in the organization in Turris and Bishop. Not to mention Greening and Condra who were 7th rounders who are worth considerably more than that.

Keep getting 1st or 2nd rounders in the mid to late rounds and you can trade them all day. They have 2 3rds that they could very easily turn into a 2nd if there is a player they really like.

That said, I think my draft day guess in Finn. If he's there I bet they take him.

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Post by shabbs on Tue May 15, 2012 8:11 pm

In with Finn. I've been on the Finn train for a while now... like him.

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Post by Riprock on Tue May 15, 2012 8:13 pm

I was just reminding S4W cause he mentioned a player he thinks might be a 2nd round pick that he wants the Sens to pick.

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Post by NEELY on Tue May 15, 2012 8:17 pm

Riprock wrote:I was just reminding S4W cause he mentioned a player he thinks might be a 2nd round pick that he wants the Sens to pick.

Yah I know but I was just pointing out what a lot of people never consider when talking about Murray dealing his 2nd round picks. Fact of the matter is I would bet 1,000 dollars that on of his 4th to 7th round picks will end up being a better player than the BJ's, Islanders, Wild, Edmonton, or about 1/2 of the NHL teams in general's 2nd round pick.

A 2nd round pick to the Sens is worth a lot less to Ottawa than a lot of other teams.

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Re: 2012 NHL Draft

Post by sens4win on Tue May 15, 2012 8:55 pm

shabbs wrote:
sens4win wrote:
shabbs wrote:He's got Finn going quite high... and Gaunce way down there... interesting...

He's showing some Maatta love too. Big jump up for him.

Sarcasm ?

On another note, id love to see the Sens draft -

Olli Maatta
Tom Wilson
Pontus Aberg
Sebastian Collberg
Anders Athanasiou (2nd round)

Dark horse pick -

Seth Griffith
No, no sarcasm. His stock has risen lately for sure... Button had him 60th last time...
I guess if you are referring to his list, then yes. He was ranked top 20 on a couple lists.

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Re: 2012 NHL Draft

Post by shabbs on Tue May 15, 2012 9:18 pm

sens4win wrote:
shabbs wrote:
sens4win wrote:
shabbs wrote:He's got Finn going quite high... and Gaunce way down there... interesting...

He's showing some Maatta love too. Big jump up for him.

Sarcasm ?

On another note, id love to see the Sens draft -

Olli Maatta
Tom Wilson
Pontus Aberg
Sebastian Collberg
Anders Athanasiou (2nd round)

Dark horse pick -

Seth Griffith
No, no sarcasm. His stock has risen lately for sure... Button had him 60th last time...
I guess if you are referring to his list, then yes. He was ranked top 20 on a couple lists.
Yeah, Button's lists have always been a bit different than the general consensus... I was talking more about his relative jump up in Button's own rankings... I think he should be higher, but I'm not a scout. Wink

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Post by Ev on Tue May 15, 2012 9:57 pm

Athanasiou is all flash, no substance. Never uses the skill he has. He's all about speed and that's about it.

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Re: 2012 NHL Draft

Post by sens4win on Tue May 15, 2012 9:59 pm

Big Ev wrote:Athanasiou is all flash, no substance. Never uses the skill he has. He's all about speed and that's about it.
Hes got a lot of years ahead of him, yes he has some holes to fix but in the end hes ranked that high for a reason...

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Re: 2012 NHL Draft

Post by Ev on Tue May 15, 2012 10:01 pm

sens4win wrote:
Big Ev wrote:Athanasiou is all flash, no substance. Never uses the skill he has. He's all about speed and that's about it.
Hes got a lot of years ahead of him, yes he has some holes to fix but in the end hes ranked that high for a reason...

Ranked high by who? His stock has been falling dramatically. He might even go in the 3rd.

Picking guys who decline before they are drafted is something teams don't want to do.

Edit: Nevermind, you are referring to Button, sorry about that. And he didn't necessarily decline production-wise but he is still not a premier player in the OHL.

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Re: 2012 NHL Draft

Post by sens4win on Tue May 15, 2012 10:11 pm

Big Ev wrote:
sens4win wrote:
Big Ev wrote:Athanasiou is all flash, no substance. Never uses the skill he has. He's all about speed and that's about it.
Hes got a lot of years ahead of him, yes he has some holes to fix but in the end hes ranked that high for a reason...

Ranked high by who? His stock has been falling dramatically. He might even go in the 3rd.

Picking guys who decline before they are drafted is something teams don't want to do.

Edit: Nevermind, you are referring to Button, sorry about that. And he didn't necessarily decline production-wise but he is still not a premier player in the OHL.
Ya I was, I watched him all season, he definitely declined throughout the season and then fell apart in the playoffs, then got thrown on the 3rd line in London. On such a deep team though he was bound to drop to the bottom 6. Maybe next year when some players graduate he will get that playing time back in the top 6.

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Re: 2012 NHL Draft

Post by SpezDispenser on Tue May 15, 2012 10:25 pm

Great thread with good info.

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Re: 2012 NHL Draft

Post by shabbs on Wed May 16, 2012 7:03 pm

May ISS rankings...

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=9653

NOTE: Bolded ones are who I think the Sens should target...

ISS Top 50 for 2012 NHL Draft
Rank Player Pos Ht. Wt. S/C DoB Team League
1. NAIL YAKUPOV LW 5'10 189 L Oct. 6/93 Sarnia OHL
2. FILIP FORSBERG RW 6'1 176 R Aug. 13/94 Leksands SweAI
3. RYAN MURRAY D 6'0 201 L Sep. 27/93 Everett WHL
4. MIKHAIL GRIGORENKO RW 6'3 200 L May 16/94 Quebec QMJHL
5. JACOB TROUBA D 6'2 196 R Feb. 26/94 USA U-18 USNTDP
6. MATT DUMBA D 5'11 183 R Jul. 25/94 Red Deer WHL
7. MORGAN RIELLY D 5'11 190 L Mar. 9/94 Moose Jaw WHL
8. TEUVO TERAVAINEN LW 5'11 161 L Sept. 11/94 Jokerit FinE
9. CODY CECI D 6'2 207 R Dec. 21/93 Ottawa OHL
10. GRIFFIN REINHART D 6'3 207 L Jan. 24/94 Edmonton WHL
11. BRENDAN GAUNCE C 6'2 215 L Mar. 25/94 Belleville OHL
12. OLLI MAATTA D 6'1 202 L Aug. 22/94 London OHL
13. SEBASTIAN COLLBERG RW 5'11 174 R Feb. 23/94 Vastra SweJE
14. ALEXANDER GALCHENYUK RW 6'0 198 L Feb. 12/94 Sarnia OHL
15. NICHOLAS KERDILES C 6'1 200 L Jan. 11/94 USA U-18 USNTDP
16. RADEK FAKSA LW 6'3 202 L Jan. 9/94 Kitchener OHL
17. THOMAS WILSON RW 6'3 203 R Mar. 29/94 Plymouth OHL
18. MATT FINN D 6'0 195 L Feb. 24/94 Guelph OHL
19. HAMPUS LINDHOLM RW 6'2 196 L Jan. 20/94 Rogle SweJE
20. PONTUS ABERG LW 5'11 187 R Sep. 23/93 Djurgarden SweE
21. SLATER KOEKKOEK D 6'2 184 L Feb. 18/94 Peterborough OHL
22. DERRICK POULIOT D 5'11 186 L Jan. 16/94 Portland WHL
23. SCOTT LAUGHTON C 6'0 177 L May 30/94 Oshawa OHL
24. ZEMGUS GIRGENSONS C 6'1 201 L Jan. 5/94 Dubuque USHL
25. COLTON SISSONS C/R 6'1 189 R Nov. 5/93 Kelowna WHL
26. BRADY SKJEI D 6'3 203 L Mar. 26/94 USA U-18 USNTDP
27. DALTON THROWER D 5'11 189 R Dec. 20/93 Saskatoon WHL
28. LUDVIG BYSTROM D 6'0 208 L Jul. 20/94 Modo SweE
29. ADAM PELECH D 6'2 210 L Aug. 16/94 Erie OHL
30. TOMAS HERTL LW 6'2 198 L Nov. 12/93 Slavia CzeE
31. DANIIL ZHARKOV F 6'3 197 L Feb. 6/94 Belleville OHL
32. STEFAN MATTEAU LW 6'1 210 L Feb. 23/94 USA U-18 USNTDP
33. MIKE MATHESON D 6'1 180 L Feb. 27/94 Dubuque USHL
34. PHILLIP DI GIUSEPPE LW 5'11 176 L Oct. 9/93 Michigan CCHA
35. ANTON SLEPYSHEV LW 6'2 187 R May 13/94 Novokuznetsk KHL
36. ANDREAS ATHANASIOU C 6'0 179 L Aug. 6/94 London OHL
37. MIKE WINTHER C 5'11 175 L Jan. 9/94 Prince Albert WHL
38. TANNER PEARSON LW 6'0 198 L Aug. 10/92 Barrie OHL
39. TOMAS HYKA RW 5'11 160 R Mar. 23/93 Gatineau QMJHL
40. TIM BOZON LW 6'0 183 L Mar. 24/94 Kamloops WHL
41. CHANDLER STEPHENSON C 5'10 192 L Apr. 22/94 Regina WHL
42. VILLE POKKA D 6'0 198 R Jun. 3/94 Karpat FinE
43. MARTIN FRK RW 5'11 204 L Oct. 5/93 Halifax QMJHL
44. NIKLAS TIKKINEN D 5'11 172 L Jun. 1/94 Espoo Blues Jr. FinJrA
45. PATRICK SIELOFF D 6'0 198 L May 15/94 USA U-18 USNTDP
46. JORDAN SCHMALTZ D 6'2 189 R Oct. 8/93 Green Bay USHL
47. SCOTT KOSMACHUK RW 5'11 185 R Jan. 24/94 Guelph OHL
48. CALLE ANDERSSON D 6'2 208 R May 16/94 Farjestad SweJE
49. HENRIK SAMUELSSON C 6'2 195 R Feb. 7/94 Edmonton WHL
50. BRADY VAIL LW 6'0 195 L Mar. 11/94 Windsor OHL

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Re: 2012 NHL Draft

Post by The Silfer Server on Wed May 16, 2012 7:50 pm

Crap, Calle Andersson is now ranked 48. Probably won't be able to draft him unless we trade up with our 3rds.

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Re: 2012 NHL Draft

Post by Flo The Action on Wed May 16, 2012 9:07 pm

shabbs wrote:May ISS rankings...

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=9653

NOTE: Bolded ones are who I think the Sens should target...

ISS Top 50 for 2012 NHL Draft
Rank Player Pos Ht. Wt. S/C DoB Team League
1. NAIL YAKUPOV LW 5'10 189 L Oct. 6/93 Sarnia OHL
2. FILIP FORSBERG RW 6'1 176 R Aug. 13/94 Leksands SweAI
3. RYAN MURRAY D 6'0 201 L Sep. 27/93 Everett WHL
4. MIKHAIL GRIGORENKO RW 6'3 200 L May 16/94 Quebec QMJHL
5. JACOB TROUBA D 6'2 196 R Feb. 26/94 USA U-18 USNTDP
6. MATT DUMBA D 5'11 183 R Jul. 25/94 Red Deer WHL
7. MORGAN RIELLY D 5'11 190 L Mar. 9/94 Moose Jaw WHL
8. TEUVO TERAVAINEN LW 5'11 161 L Sept. 11/94 Jokerit FinE
9. CODY CECI D 6'2 207 R Dec. 21/93 Ottawa OHL
10. GRIFFIN REINHART D 6'3 207 L Jan. 24/94 Edmonton WHL
11. BRENDAN GAUNCE C 6'2 215 L Mar. 25/94 Belleville OHL
12. OLLI MAATTA D 6'1 202 L Aug. 22/94 London OHL
13. SEBASTIAN COLLBERG RW 5'11 174 R Feb. 23/94 Vastra SweJE
14. ALEXANDER GALCHENYUK RW 6'0 198 L Feb. 12/94 Sarnia OHL
15. NICHOLAS KERDILES C 6'1 200 L Jan. 11/94 USA U-18 USNTDP
16. RADEK FAKSA LW 6'3 202 L Jan. 9/94 Kitchener OHL
17. THOMAS WILSON RW 6'3 203 R Mar. 29/94 Plymouth OHL
18. MATT FINN D 6'0 195 L Feb. 24/94 Guelph OHL
19. HAMPUS LINDHOLM RW 6'2 196 L Jan. 20/94 Rogle SweJE
20. PONTUS ABERG LW 5'11 187 R Sep. 23/93 Djurgarden SweE
21. SLATER KOEKKOEK D 6'2 184 L Feb. 18/94 Peterborough OHL
22. DERRICK POULIOT D 5'11 186 L Jan. 16/94 Portland WHL
23. SCOTT LAUGHTON C 6'0 177 L May 30/94 Oshawa OHL
24. ZEMGUS GIRGENSONS C 6'1 201 L Jan. 5/94 Dubuque USHL
25. COLTON SISSONS C/R 6'1 189 R Nov. 5/93 Kelowna WHL
26. BRADY SKJEI D 6'3 203 L Mar. 26/94 USA U-18 USNTDP
27. DALTON THROWER D 5'11 189 R Dec. 20/93 Saskatoon WHL
28. LUDVIG BYSTROM D 6'0 208 L Jul. 20/94 Modo SweE
29. ADAM PELECH D 6'2 210 L Aug. 16/94 Erie OHL
30. TOMAS HERTL LW 6'2 198 L Nov. 12/93 Slavia CzeE
31. DANIIL ZHARKOV F 6'3 197 L Feb. 6/94 Belleville OHL
32. STEFAN MATTEAU LW 6'1 210 L Feb. 23/94 USA U-18 USNTDP
33. MIKE MATHESON D 6'1 180 L Feb. 27/94 Dubuque USHL
34. PHILLIP DI GIUSEPPE LW 5'11 176 L Oct. 9/93 Michigan CCHA
35. ANTON SLEPYSHEV LW 6'2 187 R May 13/94 Novokuznetsk KHL
36. ANDREAS ATHANASIOU C 6'0 179 L Aug. 6/94 London OHL
37. MIKE WINTHER C 5'11 175 L Jan. 9/94 Prince Albert WHL
38. TANNER PEARSON LW 6'0 198 L Aug. 10/92 Barrie OHL
39. TOMAS HYKA RW 5'11 160 R Mar. 23/93 Gatineau QMJHL
40. TIM BOZON LW 6'0 183 L Mar. 24/94 Kamloops WHL
41. CHANDLER STEPHENSON C 5'10 192 L Apr. 22/94 Regina WHL
42. VILLE POKKA D 6'0 198 R Jun. 3/94 Karpat FinE
43. MARTIN FRK RW 5'11 204 L Oct. 5/93 Halifax QMJHL
44. NIKLAS TIKKINEN D 5'11 172 L Jun. 1/94 Espoo Blues Jr. FinJrA
45. PATRICK SIELOFF D 6'0 198 L May 15/94 USA U-18 USNTDP
46. JORDAN SCHMALTZ D 6'2 189 R Oct. 8/93 Green Bay USHL
47. SCOTT KOSMACHUK RW 5'11 185 R Jan. 24/94 Guelph OHL
48. CALLE ANDERSSON D 6'2 208 R May 16/94 Farjestad SweJE
49. HENRIK SAMUELSSON C 6'2 195 R Feb. 7/94 Edmonton WHL
50. BRADY VAIL LW 6'0 195 L Mar. 11/94 Windsor OHL

this ranking is much better then button's.

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Re: 2012 NHL Draft

Post by Ev on Wed May 16, 2012 9:51 pm

Button's ranking will most likely end up being the most accurate. At the end of the day, ISS and CSS rankings mean nothing. People only say those rankings are the "best" because that's the only ones that most people see, and they influence people's opinion (like most media).

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Re: 2012 NHL Draft

Post by stempniaksen on Wed May 16, 2012 10:16 pm

Big Ev wrote:Button's ranking will most likely end up being the most accurate. At the end of the day, ISS and CSS rankings mean nothing. People only say those rankings are the "best" because that's the only ones that most people see, and they influence people's opinion (like most media).

Bob McKenzie's list says hi.

And to be honest, that list kinda sucks, I'll eat my shoes if Ryan Murray falls out of the top-ten.

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Re: 2012 NHL Draft

Post by Ev on Wed May 16, 2012 10:19 pm

stempniaksen wrote:
Big Ev wrote:Button's ranking will most likely end up being the most accurate. At the end of the day, ISS and CSS rankings mean nothing. People only say those rankings are the "best" because that's the only ones that most people see, and they influence people's opinion (like most media).

Bob McKenzie's list says hi.

And to be honest, that list kinda sucks, I'll eat my shoes if Ryan Murray falls out of the top-ten.

Button's list is not predicting where players will be drafted. Neither is the McKenzie one. Button knows Murray will be a Top 5 pick.

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Re: 2012 NHL Draft

Post by stempniaksen on Thu May 17, 2012 4:22 am

Big Ev wrote:
stempniaksen wrote:
Big Ev wrote:Button's ranking will most likely end up being the most accurate. At the end of the day, ISS and CSS rankings mean nothing. People only say those rankings are the "best" because that's the only ones that most people see, and they influence people's opinion (like most media).

Bob McKenzie's list says hi.

And to be honest, that list kinda sucks, I'll eat my shoes if Ryan Murray falls out of the top-ten.

Button's list is not predicting where players will be drafted. Neither is the McKenzie one. Button knows Murray will be a Top 5 pick.

Big Ev wrote:Button's ranking will most likely end up being the most accurate.

So his rankings won't be the most accurate then, right? So you're a liar now, why you lying to me?

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Re: 2012 NHL Draft

Post by tim1_2 on Thu May 17, 2012 7:28 am

Griff Reinhart, FTW. With all the D available in the top 15, we'll get a good one.

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Re: 2012 NHL Draft

Post by Ev on Thu May 17, 2012 10:32 am

stempniaksen wrote:
Big Ev wrote:
stempniaksen wrote:
Big Ev wrote:Button's ranking will most likely end up being the most accurate. At the end of the day, ISS and CSS rankings mean nothing. People only say those rankings are the "best" because that's the only ones that most people see, and they influence people's opinion (like most media).

Bob McKenzie's list says hi.

And to be honest, that list kinda sucks, I'll eat my shoes if Ryan Murray falls out of the top-ten.

Button's list is not predicting where players will be drafted. Neither is the McKenzie one. Button knows Murray will be a Top 5 pick.

Big Ev wrote:Button's ranking will most likely end up being the most accurate.

So his rankings won't be the most accurate then, right? So you're a liar now, why you lying to me?

Accurate in terms of who will pan out, who will be better players, etc. Not of who will get drafted where. He has Grigorenko at 20 but he had him at like 4 or 5 in a mock.

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Re: 2012 NHL Draft

Post by stempniaksen on Thu May 17, 2012 3:10 pm

Big Ev wrote:
stempniaksen wrote:
Big Ev wrote:
stempniaksen wrote:
Big Ev wrote:Button's ranking will most likely end up being the most accurate. At the end of the day, ISS and CSS rankings mean nothing. People only say those rankings are the "best" because that's the only ones that most people see, and they influence people's opinion (like most media).

Bob McKenzie's list says hi.

And to be honest, that list kinda sucks, I'll eat my shoes if Ryan Murray falls out of the top-ten.

Button's list is not predicting where players will be drafted. Neither is the McKenzie one. Button knows Murray will be a Top 5 pick.

Big Ev wrote:Button's ranking will most likely end up being the most accurate.

So his rankings won't be the most accurate then, right? So you're a liar now, why you lying to me?

Accurate in terms of who will pan out, who will be better players, etc. Not of who will get drafted where. He has Grigorenko at 20 but he had him at like 4 or 5 in a mock.

Ah, I see now, that makes more sense. I still disagree, but only time will tell on that one.

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Re: 2012 NHL Draft

Post by NEELY on Thu May 17, 2012 3:37 pm

What's all this about Grigorenko's age? If he is indeed older than he is that's a huge issue and does make a huge difference at the Jr. level.

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Re: 2012 NHL Draft

Post by Ev on Thu May 17, 2012 4:46 pm

NEELY wrote:What's all this about Grigorenko's age? If he is indeed older than he is that's a huge issue and does make a huge difference at the Jr. level.

Doubt it.

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Re: 2012 NHL Draft

Post by Riprock on Sat May 19, 2012 10:37 am

I'm thinking Reinhart (EDM) and Maatta (LDN) are going to rise depending on how far they go in the Mem Cup.

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