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    Re: 2012 IIHF World Junior Championships

    Post by Ev on Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:01 pm

    SpezDispenser wrote:Yeah, have a line that you can throw out who won't hurt you, but can be physical, and a 3rd line that is the Howden's and Jenner's of the world, but leave the top 6 for the most talented players in the world, age is no concern, scoring and winning is - as the Russians showed.

    The most talented Canadians ARE IN THE NHL. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO ADD 16 OR 17 YEAR OLD PLAYERS TO THEIR TOP LINES.

    The Russians top lines were made up mostly of 19 year olds! They had an advantage! Yakupov is also 18 and a late birthday

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    Re: 2012 IIHF World Junior Championships

    Post by Ev on Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:04 pm

    LeKid wrote:
    NEELY wrote:That's what you get when you let politics into hockey. Oleksiak shouldn't have been there and his inexperience cost the team in the big way. Murray was just unlucky, physical mistakes happen and they always will. Good thing he chose to play for Canada and not the US.

    Not that I really care about international tournaments for the most part as 1 game knock outs prove who is best on a certain day, not who the best team is, but if Canada chooses it's best (even from those not in the NHL) they would have had a better chances. Canada deserved to have to happen to them.

    That's what I'm saying. Grit, experience etc does not matter in this tournament. What has Howden, Jenner or Visentin done in this tourney? Sweden and Russia have how many returning guys in their line ups? Probably less than 5 combined.
    Danault, Murphy, McKinnon may not be game changers but they have more skill and skate better than half this team and that's what you need in short tournaments because those guys are not tired they can save enough stamina to skate fast for the whole 2 weeks. The power play alone could have changed the momentum of this game and it's clear Beaulieu and Hamilton are not PP QBs.
    The last time Canada won Gold they were the best skating team and their PP was unstoppable. Ellis and SUbban were skating up and down the ice and nobody could stop them.
    Sweden and Russia are the best skating teams in the tournament and that's why they are in the finals.

    Boone Jenner was excellent in this tournament for the role he was given, not sure what you were watching. Quinton Howden was a returning player and should have been used more. He is a very skilled player himself.

    And AGAIN talking about Danualt? Leads me to believe that you don't really know who he is.
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    Re: 2012 IIHF World Junior Championships

    Post by wprager on Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:33 pm

    Big Ev wrote:
    SpezDispenser wrote:Yeah, have a line that you can throw out who won't hurt you, but can be physical, and a 3rd line that is the Howden's and Jenner's of the world, but leave the top 6 for the most talented players in the world, age is no concern, scoring and winning is - as the Russians showed.

    The most talented Canadians ARE IN THE NHL. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO ADD 16 OR 17 YEAR OLD PLAYERS TO THEIR TOP LINES.

    The Russians top lines were made up mostly of 19 year olds! They had an advantage! Yakupov is also 18 and a late birthday

    NCAA players are typically older. Why don't we try to send more of those. Worked well for the US.


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    Re: 2012 IIHF World Junior Championships

    Post by Ev on Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:42 pm

    wprager wrote:
    Big Ev wrote:
    SpezDispenser wrote:Yeah, have a line that you can throw out who won't hurt you, but can be physical, and a 3rd line that is the Howden's and Jenner's of the world, but leave the top 6 for the most talented players in the world, age is no concern, scoring and winning is - as the Russians showed.

    The most talented Canadians ARE IN THE NHL. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO ADD 16 OR 17 YEAR OLD PLAYERS TO THEIR TOP LINES.

    The Russians top lines were made up mostly of 19 year olds! They had an advantage! Yakupov is also 18 and a late birthday

    NCAA players are typically older. Why don't we try to send more of those. Worked well for the US.

    Because Canada doesn't have many top prospects in the NCAA right now. There's Jaden Schwartz, and that's about it. Phil Di Giuseppe as well, but he was cut, and he isn't a big prospect.
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    Re: 2012 IIHF World Junior Championships

    Post by Riprock on Wed Jan 04, 2012 5:33 pm

    Not making any excuses, cause the Russian outplayed the Canadians. No ide what happened in the 3rd, but that was close and a lot of edge of seat excitement.

    The Russians have a lot of tremendous skill. Their goalie, espite the 3rd, was awesome. Then there's Kuznetsov, Yakupov, Galchenyuk and Grigorenko... so much talent. It's unfortunate for the NHL fans that a lot of them won't showcase their skills for them.

    It seems a lot of the teams have had a superior goalie. Mrazek is sensational, not only skill wise, but just so much fun to watch. You can always count on the Finns and Swedes to produce goalies.

    Canada hasn't had a great goalie for a while now. Interesting comment via Twitter that Canada hasn't produced as many (starting?) NHL goalies recently as other countries.

    Canada's talent pool is huge, granted, but there always seems to be disparity between the leagues. Always questions why some players are left off for others. People are always going to look back in hindsight and say "so and so" should have been on the team instead of "so and so".

    Anyways, going back to the NHL goalies "stat":

    Anaheim Ducks - Hiller (SWI)
    Boston Bruins - Thomas (USA), Rask (FIN)
    Buffalo Sabres - Miller (USA)
    Calgary Flames - Kiprusoff (FIN)
    Carolina Hurricanes - Ward (CAN)
    Chicago Blackhawks - Crawford (CAN)
    Colorado Avalanche - Varlamov (RUS)
    Columbus Blue Jackets - Mason (CAN)
    Dallas Stars - Lehtonen (FIN)
    Detroit Red Wings - Howard (USA)
    Edmonton OIlers - Khabibulin (RUS)
    Florida Panthers - Theodore (CAN)
    Los Angeles Kings - Quick (USA)
    Minnesota Wild - Backstrom (FIN)
    Montreal Canadiens - Price (CAN)
    Nashville Predators - Rinne (FIN)
    New Jersey Devils - Brodeur (CAN), Hedberg (SWE)
    New York Islanders - Nabakov (RUS), DiPietro (USA)
    New York Rangers - Lundqvist (SWE)
    Ottawa Senators - Anderson (USA)
    Philadelphia Flyers - Bryzgalov (RUS)
    Phoenix Coyotes - Smith (CAN)
    Pittsburgh Penguins - Fleury (CAN)
    Saint Louis Blues - Eliiott (CAN), Halak (CZE)
    San Jose Sharks - Niemi (FIN)
    Tampa Bay Lightning - Roloson (CAN), Garon (CAN)
    Toronto Maple Leafs - Reimer (CAN)
    Vancouver Canucks - Luongo (CAN)
    Washington Capitals - Vokoun (CZE)
    Winnipeg Jets - Pavelec (CZE)


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    Re: 2012 IIHF World Junior Championships

    Post by PTFlea on Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:36 pm

    When's the Bronze and Gold games?
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    Re: 2012 IIHF World Junior Championships

    Post by shabbs on Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:58 pm

    SpezDispenser wrote:When's the Bronze and Gold games?
    http://www.tsn.ca/world_jrs/schedule/
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    Re: 2012 IIHF World Junior Championships

    Post by Hoags on Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:06 pm

    I've read that few kids want to be goalies these days, everyone wants to be Crosby etc.
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    Re: 2012 IIHF World Junior Championships

    Post by wprager on Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:32 pm

    Just wanted to point out that Galchenyuk, although of Russian parents (well, Belorussian), was born in Milwaukee. I think he opted to play for the US at the national level. And he certainly wasn't playing in the WJC as he tore his ACL in October.

    Riprock wrote:Not making any excuses, cause the Russian outplayed the Canadians. No ide what happened in the 3rd, but that was close and a lot of edge of seat excitement.

    The Russians have a lot of tremendous skill. Their goalie, espite the 3rd, was awesome. Then there's Kuznetsov, Yakupov, Galchenyuk and Grigorenko... so much talent. It's unfortunate for the NHL fans that a lot of them won't showcase their skills for them.

    It seems a lot of the teams have had a superior goalie. Mrazek is sensational, not only skill wise, but just so much fun to watch. You can always count on the Finns and Swedes to produce goalies.

    Canada hasn't had a great goalie for a while now. Interesting comment via Twitter that Canada hasn't produced as many (starting?) NHL goalies recently as other countries.

    Canada's talent pool is huge, granted, but there always seems to be disparity between the leagues. Always questions why some players are left off for others. People are always going to look back in hindsight and say "so and so" should have been on the team instead of "so and so".

    Anyways, going back to the NHL goalies "stat":

    Anaheim Ducks - Hiller (SWI)
    Boston Bruins - Thomas (USA), Rask (FIN)
    Buffalo Sabres - Miller (USA)
    Calgary Flames - Kiprusoff (FIN)
    Carolina Hurricanes - Ward (CAN)
    Chicago Blackhawks - Crawford (CAN)
    Colorado Avalanche - Varlamov (RUS)
    Columbus Blue Jackets - Mason (CAN)
    Dallas Stars - Lehtonen (FIN)
    Detroit Red Wings - Howard (USA)
    Edmonton OIlers - Khabibulin (RUS)
    Florida Panthers - Theodore (CAN)
    Los Angeles Kings - Quick (USA)
    Minnesota Wild - Backstrom (FIN)
    Montreal Canadiens - Price (CAN)
    Nashville Predators - Rinne (FIN)
    New Jersey Devils - Brodeur (CAN), Hedberg (SWE)
    New York Islanders - Nabakov (RUS), DiPietro (USA)
    New York Rangers - Lundqvist (SWE)
    Ottawa Senators - Anderson (USA)
    Philadelphia Flyers - Bryzgalov (RUS)
    Phoenix Coyotes - Smith (CAN)
    Pittsburgh Penguins - Fleury (CAN)
    Saint Louis Blues - Eliiott (CAN), Halak (CZE)
    San Jose Sharks - Niemi (FIN)
    Tampa Bay Lightning - Roloson (CAN), Garon (CAN)
    Toronto Maple Leafs - Reimer (CAN)
    Vancouver Canucks - Luongo (CAN)
    Washington Capitals - Vokoun (CZE)
    Winnipeg Jets - Pavelec (CZE)




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    Re: 2012 IIHF World Junior Championships

    Post by wprager on Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:34 pm

    Big Ev wrote:
    wprager wrote:
    Big Ev wrote:
    SpezDispenser wrote:Yeah, have a line that you can throw out who won't hurt you, but can be physical, and a 3rd line that is the Howden's and Jenner's of the world, but leave the top 6 for the most talented players in the world, age is no concern, scoring and winning is - as the Russians showed.

    The most talented Canadians ARE IN THE NHL. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO ADD 16 OR 17 YEAR OLD PLAYERS TO THEIR TOP LINES.

    The Russians top lines were made up mostly of 19 year olds! They had an advantage! Yakupov is also 18 and a late birthday

    NCAA players are typically older. Why don't we try to send more of those. Worked well for the US.

    Because Canada doesn't have many top prospects in the NCAA right now. There's Jaden Schwartz, and that's about it. Phil Di Giuseppe as well, but he was cut, and he isn't a big prospect.

    Sorry, I didn't realize the sarcasm smiley was necessary.


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    Re: 2012 IIHF World Junior Championships

    Post by Ev on Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:39 pm

    wprager wrote:
    Big Ev wrote:
    wprager wrote:
    Big Ev wrote:
    SpezDispenser wrote:Yeah, have a line that you can throw out who won't hurt you, but can be physical, and a 3rd line that is the Howden's and Jenner's of the world, but leave the top 6 for the most talented players in the world, age is no concern, scoring and winning is - as the Russians showed.

    The most talented Canadians ARE IN THE NHL. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO ADD 16 OR 17 YEAR OLD PLAYERS TO THEIR TOP LINES.

    The Russians top lines were made up mostly of 19 year olds! They had an advantage! Yakupov is also 18 and a late birthday

    NCAA players are typically older. Why don't we try to send more of those. Worked well for the US.

    Because Canada doesn't have many top prospects in the NCAA right now. There's Jaden Schwartz, and that's about it. Phil Di Giuseppe as well, but he was cut, and he isn't a big prospect.

    Sorry, I didn't realize the sarcasm smiley was necessary.

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    Re: 2012 IIHF World Junior Championships

    Post by LeCaptain on Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:19 am

    Big Ev wrote:
    LeKid wrote:
    NEELY wrote:That's what you get when you let politics into hockey. Oleksiak shouldn't have been there and his inexperience cost the team in the big way. Murray was just unlucky, physical mistakes happen and they always will. Good thing he chose to play for Canada and not the US.

    Not that I really care about international tournaments for the most part as 1 game knock outs prove who is best on a certain day, not who the best team is, but if Canada chooses it's best (even from those not in the NHL) they would have had a better chances. Canada deserved to have to happen to them.

    That's what I'm saying. Grit, experience etc does not matter in this tournament. What has Howden, Jenner or Visentin done in this tourney? Sweden and Russia have how many returning guys in their line ups? Probably less than 5 combined.
    Danault, Murphy, McKinnon may not be game changers but they have more skill and skate better than half this team and that's what you need in short tournaments because those guys are not tired they can save enough stamina to skate fast for the whole 2 weeks. The power play alone could have changed the momentum of this game and it's clear Beaulieu and Hamilton are not PP QBs.
    The last time Canada won Gold they were the best skating team and their PP was unstoppable. Ellis and SUbban were skating up and down the ice and nobody could stop them.
    Sweden and Russia are the best skating teams in the tournament and that's why they are in the finals.

    Boone Jenner was excellent in this tournament for the role he was given, not sure what you were watching. Quinton Howden was a returning player and should have been used more. He is a very skilled player himself.

    And AGAIN talking about Danualt? Leads me to believe that you don't really know who he is.

    I know who he is thank you, that's why I mention him. He's a good setup player and would have helped the PP.
    I watch a lot of Q games because I have Vox channel and I would never talk about a player I don't watch.
    Jenner was playing a role that was not needed, plain and simple.
    Howden is a player with tunnel vision who has wheels.
    You know why Canada struggled for 2 periods in this game? They couldn't get any forecheck going and didn't have any backup gameplan to compensate for it. Then they took advantage of a team that played the night before in OT who were leading 6-1 after 2 periods.
    Anyways, I don't even really care that much about this.
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    Re: 2012 IIHF World Junior Championships

    Post by stempniaksen on Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:31 am

    People who criticize Boone Jenner's addition on the team could not have been watching the same games I was. The guy was fantastic (save his "spear" which was a terrible call).

    If it was a "best on best" tournament then Canada would destroy the tournament (see 2005), so people up in arms need to take a step back.

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    Re: 2012 IIHF World Junior Championships

    Post by wprager on Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:52 pm

    Visentin with the shutout of professional bronze finalists Finland. Oh if only Hay played him in the semi-final.


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    Re: 2012 IIHF World Junior Championships

    Post by shabbs on Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:54 pm

    Dare to dream...
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    Re: 2012 IIHF World Junior Championships

    Post by wprager on Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:26 pm

    Shots are 39-4S weden after 2 periods. Score is 0-0 Russia.


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    Re: 2012 IIHF World Junior Championships

    Post by spader on Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:37 pm

    wprager wrote:Shots are 39-4S weden after 2 periods. Score is 0-0 Russia.
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