Trade Bonanza 2012! Speculation, Rumours, the Works!

tim1_2 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:
Also...anyone get the feeling that he might suffer away from Nashville's system and potentially away from Weber?

Of course. Kinda like how the old New Jersey system made Niedermayer, Stevens, and Brodeur into legends.

Mostly this guy. Stevens was more legendary for hitting people into retirement, which is frowned upon now.

LeKid wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Michallica wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Hoags wrote:Zidlicky has agreed to waive his NTC to go to the Devils. Trade hasn't happened yet though.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=387874

Makes sense, if any team needs a PMD it's NJ.

Damn. This is a nice player, wanted him here.

For a moment, I did too. Then I remembered we can use that money towards getting Suter in the off-season

It's not gonna happen though IMO. If you were to tell me that Suter was a guarantee, then I'd say let's not get anyone and let's focus our 6.5 million on him, but I hate the crapshoot that is free agency. Plus he's American and he likely would want to go to an American team (IMO).

Also...anyone get the feeling that he might suffer away from Nashville's system and potentially away from Weber?

I seriously think that means nothing at all. Guys wanna win the Cup, they don't care about that kind of stuff.

I don't think it matters too much either to be honest, but when he gets the choice between 8 American teams...and us, who is he more likely to pick?

Team with $$$ and best chance at winning? There's also best shot at winning now and winning in the future.

What's he likely going to ask for? $6.5M? $7M? Maybe the number goes up if the team isn't as good, and maybe the number drops if the team is really good. A lot of the good teams don't have a lot of $$$ left to spend because they already are paying a lot of good players.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Riprock wrote:I think we are all forgetting that the Sens biggest FA signing is going to be on Erik Karlsson.

Nobody's forgetting. It's mentioned here almost every single day along with the ridiculous salary predictions.

Not sure what your opinion of ridiculous is, but I would say that it is more likely going to be $6.5M than not. I would use the following contracts to back up my opinion:

Drew Doughty, drafted 2008, signed for $7M/8yrs = $56M
Tyler Myers = drafted 2008, signed for $5.5M/5yrs = $38.5M
Victor Hedman = drafted 2008, signed for $4M/5yrs = $20M
Luke Schenn, drafted 2008, signed for $3.6M/5yrs = $18M
Zach Bogosian, drafted 2008, signed for $2.5M/2yrs = $5M

Riprock wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Riprock wrote:I think we are all forgetting that the Sens biggest FA signing is going to be on Erik Karlsson.

Nobody's forgetting. It's mentioned here almost every single day along with the ridiculous salary predictions.

Not sure what your opinion of ridiculous is, but I would say that it is more likely going to be $6.5M than not. I would use the following contracts to back up my opinion:

Drew Doughty, drafted 2008, signed for $7M/8yrs = $56M
Tyler Myers = drafted 2008, signed for $5.5M/5yrs = $38.5M
Victor Hedman = drafted 2008, signed for $4M/5yrs = $20M
Luke Schenn, drafted 2008, signed for $3.6M/5yrs = $18M
Zach Bogosian, drafted 2008, signed for $2.5M/2yrs = $5M

I would double his present salary plus a couple of hundred grand to show our appreciation.

I took the time to read through all of the rumours on the spectorhockey website and "Spector"s comments on said rumours. Here's the Cole's Notes version of what I've read: No one is being traded at the deadline, maybe in the summer or not at all.

SeawaySensFan wrote:I took the time to read through all of the rumours on the spectorhockey website and "Spector"s comments on said rumours. Here's the Cole's Notes version of what I've read: No one is being traded at the deadline, maybe in the summer or not at all.

I guess I can always find something else to do if I take Trade Deadline day off.

I'll play NHL 12 and make my own Trade Deadline day, dammit!

Oh there'll be movement....

For example:

Washington CANNOT let Semin walk in the summer, they must try to get something in return for him, also must move Knuble and try to get some kind of a 2nd line C (they should have acquired Turris).

Carolina CANNOT afford to not re-sign Ruutu and let him walk in the summer

Carolina must move their UFA D-men - period

Edmonton must re-sign Hemsky, but if they don't he MUST be moved before he walks.

Columbus really should try to get Carter out of town before he gets injured again. Pahlsson etc. all the UFAs from Columbus.

And on and on, there'll be movement....no worries.

SpezDispenser wrote:Oh there'll be movement....

For example:

Washington CANNOT let Semin walk in the summer, they must try to get something in return for him, also must move Knuble and try to get some kind of a 2nd line C (they should have acquired Turris).

Carolina CANNOT afford to not re-sign Ruutu and let him walk in the summer

Carolina must move their UFA D-men - period

Edmonton must re-sign Hemsky, but if they don't he MUST be moved before he walks.

Columbus really should try to get Carter out of town before he gets injured again. Pahlsson etc. all the UFAs from Columbus.

And on and on, there'll be movement....no worries.

Spector's not one to shoot down rumours so I'm a little worried. But you've re-assured me somewhat.

Ottawa not on Nash's list - which is probably a good thing.

TSN suggests:

Vancouver, Philly, NYR, Toronto, Kings.

SpezDispenser wrote:Ottawa not on Nash's list - which is probably a good thing.

TSN suggests:

Vancouver, Philly, NYR, Toronto, Kings.

SSF suggests:

Inflict career-ending injury on The Nasher at the earliest opportunity.

SpezDispenser wrote:Oh there'll be movement....

For example:

Washington CANNOT let Semin walk in the summer, they must try to get something in return for him, also must move Knuble and try to get some kind of a 2nd line C (they should have acquired Turris).

Carolina CANNOT afford to not re-sign Ruutu and let him walk in the summer

Carolina must move their UFA D-men - period

Edmonton must re-sign Hemsky, but if they don't he MUST be moved before he walks.

Columbus really should try to get Carter out of town before he gets injured again. Pahlsson etc. all the UFAs from Columbus.

And on and on, there'll be movement....no worries.

Errrm....deal in absolutes much?

For Semin/Knuble, I could see both of those guys easily staying put. Washington is in the middle of a playoff race, and teams in this kind of position are usually reluctant to trade away roster players.

Ruutu is injured, so that'll diminish his trade value. He may be resigned (this doesn't do anything for Trade Deadline day).

Hemsky SHOULD be traded (finally).

Columbus...well, agreed, the fire sale should be in full-swing. Trading Carter and/or Nash may not happen until the off-season though. A guy like Pahlsson won't bring in much, so the Blue Jacket's impact on Deadline Day may be minimal.

So, no doubt that there will be trades made, but they may all be pretty minor (again).

It's all yakkityyak at this point, and as more teams fall out of the playoff picture (or climb back in), we'll be able to better speculate as to how interesting the 27th will be.

sandysensfan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Ottawa not on Nash's list - which is probably a good thing.

TSN suggests:

Vancouver, Philly, NYR, Toronto, Kings.

Would he not want to go where they have a true #1 centre? He has spent his entire career in Columbus not playing with one... 4 of those teams has that... one doesn't. But of course, he is from Brampton -- so I heard.. so I guess that's where Toronto fits in... but what would they have to give up to get him? A signed Grabovski? Lupul? Schenn? -- a lot more than Kadri & Komisarek + a #1 pick.. that's all the Leaf fans think it would cost to get Nash...

Not true. Many have shown a willingness to add Orr and Finger to that bountiful package.

sandysensfan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Ottawa not on Nash's list - which is probably a good thing.

TSN suggests:

Vancouver, Philly, NYR, Toronto, Kings.

Would he not want to go where they have a true #1 centre? He has spent his entire career in Columbus not playing with one... 4 of those teams has that... one doesn't. But of course, he is from Brampton -- so I heard.. so I guess that's where Toronto fits in... but what would they have to give up to get him? A signed Grabovski? Lupul? Schenn? -- a lot more than Kadri & Komisarek + a #1 pick.. that's all the Leaf fans think it would cost to get Nash...

I thought that was ridiculous as well. Let me leave Columbus for the warm confines of...Toronto and Guy X as their top line C.

tim1_2 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Oh there'll be movement....

For example:

Washington CANNOT let Semin walk in the summer, they must try to get something in return for him, also must move Knuble and try to get some kind of a 2nd line C (they should have acquired Turris).

Carolina CANNOT afford to not re-sign Ruutu and let him walk in the summer

Carolina must move their UFA D-men - period

Edmonton must re-sign Hemsky, but if they don't he MUST be moved before he walks.

Columbus really should try to get Carter out of town before he gets injured again. Pahlsson etc. all the UFAs from Columbus.

And on and on, there'll be movement....no worries.

Errrm....deal in absolutes much?

For Semin/Knuble, I could see both of those guys easily staying put. Washington is in the middle of a playoff race, and teams in this kind of position are usually reluctant to trade away roster players.

Ruutu is injured, so that'll diminish his trade value. He may be resigned (this doesn't do anything for Trade Deadline day).

Hemsky SHOULD be traded (finally).

Columbus...well, agreed, the fire sale should be in full-swing. Trading Carter and/or Nash may not happen until the off-season though. A guy like Pahlsson won't bring in much, so the Blue Jacket's impact on Deadline Day may be minimal.

So, no doubt that there will be trades made, but they may all be pretty minor (again).

It's all yakkityyak at this point, and as more teams fall out of the playoff picture (or climb back in), we'll be able to better speculate as to how interesting the 27th will be.

I'll bet $$ on Washington making a move of some sort - and I think it'll center around Semin ++.

Knuble is gone, if he's not traded by the deadline, I'll be shocked.

SpezDispenser wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Oh there'll be movement....

For example:

Washington CANNOT let Semin walk in the summer, they must try to get something in return for him, also must move Knuble and try to get some kind of a 2nd line C (they should have acquired Turris).

Carolina CANNOT afford to not re-sign Ruutu and let him walk in the summer

Carolina must move their UFA D-men - period

Edmonton must re-sign Hemsky, but if they don't he MUST be moved before he walks.

Columbus really should try to get Carter out of town before he gets injured again. Pahlsson etc. all the UFAs from Columbus.

And on and on, there'll be movement....no worries.

Errrm....deal in absolutes much?

For Semin/Knuble, I could see both of those guys easily staying put. Washington is in the middle of a playoff race, and teams in this kind of position are usually reluctant to trade away roster players.

Ruutu is injured, so that'll diminish his trade value. He may be resigned (this doesn't do anything for Trade Deadline day).

Hemsky SHOULD be traded (finally).

Columbus...well, agreed, the fire sale should be in full-swing. Trading Carter and/or Nash may not happen until the off-season though. A guy like Pahlsson won't bring in much, so the Blue Jacket's impact on Deadline Day may be minimal.

So, no doubt that there will be trades made, but they may all be pretty minor (again).

It's all yakkityyak at this point, and as more teams fall out of the playoff picture (or climb back in), we'll be able to better speculate as to how interesting the 27th will be.

I'll bet $$ on Washington making a move of some sort - and I think it'll center around Semin ++.

Knuble is gone, if he's not traded by the deadline, I'll be shocked.

I'll see your $$ and raise you a quarter of a double sawbuck.

sandysensfan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Ottawa not on Nash's list - which is probably a good thing.

TSN suggests:

Vancouver, Philly, NYR, Toronto, Kings.

Would he not want to go where they have a true #1 centre? He has spent his entire career in Columbus not playing with one... 4 of those teams has that... one doesn't. But of course, he is from Brampton -- so I heard.. so I guess that's where Toronto fits in... but what would they have to give up to get him? A signed Grabovski? Lupul? Schenn? -- a lot more than Kadri & Komisarek + a #1 pick.. that's all the Leaf fans think it would cost to get Nash...

An offer from Toronto is likely going to include Gardiner for sure. One of Kadri, MacArthur, Colborne will probably have to be included and a 1st. If I was Columbus, I'd ask for Gardiner, MacArthur and a 1st. Heh. Schenn could also be on the table I guess. Forget Kadri. Bust.

SpezDispenser wrote:I'll bet $$ on Washington making a move of some sort - and I think it'll center around Semin ++.

Knuble is gone, if he's not traded by the deadline, I'll be shocked.

I guess I could see Semin being traded if the return includes a competent NHL winger. It's hard to imagine Washington would trade guys away without roster players coming back, as they are in the mix. And those aren't the kind of trades you see at the deadline.

Same goes for Knuble.

tim1_2 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:I'll bet $$ on Washington making a move of some sort - and I think it'll center around Semin ++.

Knuble is gone, if he's not traded by the deadline, I'll be shocked.

I guess I could see Semin being traded if the return includes a competent NHL winger. It's hard to imagine Washington would trade guys away without roster players coming back, as they are in the mix. And those aren't the kind of trades you see at the deadline.

Same goes for Knuble.

I think there could be 2 separate transactions for Semin. First he gets shipped off to another team for a lesser player, then Washington makes a bigger move with some of that cap space. Not sure who they'll target, but if they do nothing, I'd be shocked.

Knuble I could see going this week, but perhaps GM might wait until the deadline - although...I wouldn't trust him to get things done personally if I was the owner guy there Leonis or whatever his name is.

James "Jurke's Boyfriend" Dutchie just got off the air on TSN Radio after discrediting Eklund and basically saying his rumours are a nuisance and not legit. Next up on 1050? Eklund himself (maybe).

shabbs wrote:

sandysensfan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Ottawa not on Nash's list - which is probably a good thing.

TSN suggests:

Vancouver, Philly, NYR, Toronto, Kings.

Would he not want to go where they have a true #1 centre? He has spent his entire career in Columbus not playing with one... 4 of those teams has that... one doesn't. But of course, he is from Brampton -- so I heard.. so I guess that's where Toronto fits in... but what would they have to give up to get him? A signed Grabovski? Lupul? Schenn? -- a lot more than Kadri & Komisarek + a #1 pick.. that's all the Leaf fans think it would cost to get Nash...

An offer from Toronto is likely going to include Gardiner for sure. One of Kadri, MacArthur, Colborne will probably have to be included and a 1st. If I was Columbus, I'd ask for Gardiner, MacArthur and a 1st. Heh. Schenn could also be on the table I guess. Forget Kadri. Bust.

I especially like how Murray played Jurke in the 2009 draft. I remember him asking Jurke (since the laffs were ahead in the draft) if he wanted Kadri, because Murray said he wanted him. Jurke picked Kadri, Murray picked Cowan. The End. Nice.

SeawaySensFan wrote:James "Jurke's Boyfriend" Dutchie just got off the air on TSN Radio after discrediting Eklund and basically saying his rumours are a nuisance and not legit. Next up on 1050? Eklund himself (maybe).

so essentially the real hack is critical of the fake hack?

SeawaySensFan wrote:James "Jurke's Boyfriend" Dutchie just got off the air on TSN Radio after discrediting Eklund and basically saying his rumours are a nuisance and not legit. Next up on 1050? Eklund himself (maybe).

They are a nuisance sometimes. I have to root through a lot of his BS before getting to a 'legit' source.

Number Twenty Nine wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:James "Jurke's Boyfriend" Dutchie just got off the air on TSN Radio after discrediting Eklund and basically saying his rumours are a nuisance and not legit. Next up on 1050? Eklund himself (maybe).

so essentially the real hack is critical of the fake hack?

Diddle. I left my desk to take a leak and missed Eklund.

Big Ev wrote:

Number Twenty Nine wrote:

shabbs wrote:

sandysensfan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Ottawa not on Nash's list - which is probably a good thing.

TSN suggests:

Vancouver, Philly, NYR, Toronto, Kings.

Would he not want to go where they have a true #1 centre? He has spent his entire career in Columbus not playing with one... 4 of those teams has that... one doesn't. But of course, he is from Brampton -- so I heard.. so I guess that's where Toronto fits in... but what would they have to give up to get him? A signed Grabovski? Lupul? Schenn? -- a lot more than Kadri & Komisarek + a #1 pick.. that's all the Leaf fans think it would cost to get Nash...

An offer from Toronto is likely going to include Gardiner for sure. One of Kadri, MacArthur, Colborne will probably have to be included and a 1st. If I was Columbus, I'd ask for Gardiner, MacArthur and a 1st. Heh. Schenn could also be on the table I guess. Forget Kadri. Bust.

I especially like how Murray played Jurke in the 2009 draft. I remember him asking Jurke (since the laffs were ahead in the draft) if he wanted Kadri, because Murray said he wanted him. Jurke picked Kadri, Murray picked Cowan. The End. Nice.

not this again lol

Kane for Miller talks are heating up...

The madness starts...

shabbs wrote:Kane for Miller talks are heating up...

The madness starts...

Nah...that'll never happen IMO.

shabbs wrote:

sandysensfan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Ottawa not on Nash's list - which is probably a good thing.

TSN suggests:

Vancouver, Philly, NYR, Toronto, Kings.

Would he not want to go where they have a true #1 centre? He has spent his entire career in Columbus not playing with one... 4 of those teams has that... one doesn't. But of course, he is from Brampton -- so I heard.. so I guess that's where Toronto fits in... but what would they have to give up to get him? A signed Grabovski? Lupul? Schenn? -- a lot more than Kadri & Komisarek + a #1 pick.. that's all the Leaf fans think it would cost to get Nash...

An offer from Toronto is likely going to include Gardiner for sure. One of Kadri, MacArthur, Colborne will probably have to be included and a 1st. If I was Columbus, I'd ask for Gardiner, MacArthur and a 1st. Heh. Schenn could also be on the table I guess. Forget Kadri. Bust.

Really? I don't think Gardiner, MacArthur, and a 1st is even close. Maybe I'm overvaluing Nash, but I think the Leafs would have to cough up a lot more than that, especially when the market has such a dearth of legitimate trade bait.

Schenn was a scratch last night? Why is he struggling so much?

SpezDispenser wrote:Schenn was a scratch last night? Why is he struggling so much?

He's a young defenceman who is in over his head. He plays in a pressure-cooker, with an a-hole for a coach. Plus, who is his partner each night? The answer can't be good.

He doesn't have confidence, and Wilson won't play him with enough regularity to gain confidence.

tim1_2 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Schenn was a scratch last night? Why is he struggling so much?

He's a young defenceman who is in over his head. He plays in a pressure-cooker, with an a-hole for a coach. Plus, who is his partner each night? The answer can't be good.

He doesn't have confidence, and Wilson won't play him with enough regularity to gain confidence.

I assume the Leafs are dangling him right now - probably for a young forward. If they'd take our 1st round pick + Gryba, would people here be interested? I would be personally. Right-hander, heavy hitter, plays a smart game when he's on.

SpezDispenser wrote:

I seriously think that means nothing at all. Guys wanna win the Cup, they don't care about that kind of stuff.

I don't think it matters too much either to be honest, but when he gets the choice between 8 American teams...and us, who is he more likely to pick?[/quote]

How many teams have a possibility of offering him a D partner who is leading the league in points for the next 10+ years?

-------

http://www.gmhockey.com/viewtopic.forum?t=5628