Re: Trade Bonanza 2012! Speculation, Rumours, the Works!

by **NEELY** on Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:05 pm

Vermette is a 3rd line center on an average team, that's it. Phx got a player they can use but he's a player that everyone knows what to expect from. A 20/40 guy that can kill penalties, tons of those in the NHL.

Columbus can fill the void left by literally any player in their organization or w/e else at the current time because they won't be getting anything other than the 1st overall pick.

As for Nash, Columbus shouldn't be trading him unless they get exactly what they feel he's worth. Carter, if they can get rid of him they should do it, doesn't matter what they return is. That's a player they should just admit they made a mistake with and move forward, it's impossible to save face anyways.

If they can unload Mason to a sucker then they should do it.

by **SpezDispenser** on Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:18 pm

tim1_2 wrote:Hahaha, per LeBrun on Twitter:
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Coyotes feel Vermette is a Tippett-type player and believe he has more offense in him than he's shown this year
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Funny, isn't that what everyone has always thought about Vermette?

He has more value than a 2nd and a 4th IMO. If guys like Moore are getting 2nds, Vermette should have gotten a 1st +. Washington are out of their minds for not acquiring this guy. Crazy.

by **tim1_2** on Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:21 pm

SpezDispenser wrote:
tim1_2 wrote:Hahaha, per LeBrun on Twitter:
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Coyotes feel Vermette is a Tippett-type player and believe he has more offense in him than he's shown this year
----

Funny, isn't that what everyone has always thought about Vermette?

He has more value than a 2nd and a 4th IMO. If guys like Moore are getting 2nds, Vermette should have gotten a 1st +. Washington are out of their minds for not acquiring this guy. Crazy.

Why is Vermette so valuable to Washington?

by **NEELY** on Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:25 pm

SpezDispenser wrote:
tim1_2 wrote:Hahaha, per LeBrun on Twitter:
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Coyotes feel Vermette is a Tippett-type player and believe he has more offense in him than he's shown this year
----

Funny, isn't that what everyone has always thought about Vermette?

He has more value than a 2nd and a 4th IMO. If guys like Moore are getting 2nds, Vermette should have gotten a 1st +. Washington are out of their minds for not acquiring this guy. Crazy.

Vermette is on a 4 million dollar deal, not a lot of teams want to pay that for a 3rd line player.

As for Washington, they need to get rid of a few players before they even think about adding. There is a mini-blowup coming there and it will start with Semin. Best thing Washington can do is just play out the string and hope for the best and expect the worst. This year is close to a write off for them.

by **dennycrane** on Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:26 pm

Eklund reporting Ruutu is resigning with Carolina. I'd hate to see him be wrong and blow his reputation.

by **SpezDispenser** on Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:28 pm

tim1_2 wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:
tim1_2 wrote:Hahaha, per LeBrun on Twitter:
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Coyotes feel Vermette is a Tippett-type player and believe he has more offense in him than he's shown this year
----

Funny, isn't that what everyone has always thought about Vermette?

He has more value than a 2nd and a 4th IMO. If guys like Moore are getting 2nds, Vermette should have gotten a 1st +. Washington are out of their minds for not acquiring this guy. Crazy.

Why is Vermette so valuable to Washington?

The point's been made here - and I agree with it - that Vermette can be a great 3rd line C or a defensively sound 2nd line C - or a fill in for when Backstrom's hurt being the defensive conscience for AO. He's also a top FO guy and a really solid PKer - things that Washington needs to improve on. Also takes some pressure off Johansson (sp?) and allows his to develop without the intense pressure.

Washington needs to get rid of Semin and take a direction with their team and for the cost that Vermette was to Phoenix, I think that would have been really worth a try.

by **tim1_2** on Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:31 pm

dennycrane wrote:Eklund reporting Ruutu is resigning with Carolina. I'd hate to see him be wrong and blow his reputation.

I'd hate to see him be right and take more lustre away from Deadline Day!!!!! BOOOO.

by **SeawaySensFan** on Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:40 pm

Looks like legitimate sources are now saying that Ruutu re-signs.

Bob McKenzie says 4 year deal around 4 schmill per season.

by **tim1_2** on Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:48 pm

Don't do it, Ruuuutuuuuuuuuu!

by **spader** on Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:54 pm

SeawaySensFan wrote:Looks like legitimate sources are now saying that Ruutu re-signs.

Bob McKenzie says 4 year deal around 4 schmill per season.

Just can't be over $4M.

by **Number Twenty Nine** on Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:01 pm

tim1_2 wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:
tim1_2 wrote:Hahaha, per LeBrun on Twitter:
----
Coyotes feel Vermette is a Tippett-type player and believe he has more offense in him than he's shown this year
----

Funny, isn't that what everyone has always thought about Vermette?

He has more value than a 2nd and a 4th IMO. If guys like Moore are getting 2nds, Vermette should have gotten a 1st +. Washington are out of their minds for not acquiring this guy. Crazy.

Why is Vermette so valuable to Washington?

Perhaps there's a Ford dealer in WSH with the need of a spokesperson with experience......

by **dennycrane** on Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:06 pm

4.4 per year as per TSN.

Good move - identify your core players.

by **SeawaySensFan** on Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:07 pm

In light of the recent D moves, Harold "Hal" Gill for a 2nd, Kubina 2nd and 4th, Quincey (1st), what do you suppose Kuba is worth?

Pete McGuire says a 3rd.

by **spader** on Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:10 pm

dennycrane wrote:4.4 per year as per TSN.

Good move - identify your core players.

For Ruutu? That's a massive overpayment if accurate.

by **rooneypoo** on Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:25 pm

spader wrote:
dennycrane wrote:4.4 per year as per TSN.

Good move - identify your core players.

For Ruutu? That's a massive overpayment if accurate.

Bobby Mac is saying $4.75 / yr.

Looks like you owe SD a coke. Smile

by **spader** on Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:33 pm

rooneypoo wrote:
spader wrote:
dennycrane wrote:4.4 per year as per TSN.

Good move - identify your core players.

For Ruutu? That's a massive overpayment if accurate.

Bobby Mac is saying $4.75 / yr.

Looks like you owe SD a coke.

It just doesn't make sense. He's an alright player, but that's just Cussing crazy.

EDIT: He has 30 points, and he's getting Alfie money. Alfie money.

by **NEELY** on Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:36 pm

Trading Kuba would be the dumbest move you could possibly make. If anything the guy should be resgined. Such a valauable and under-appreciated piece in Ottawa.

by **NEELY** on Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:36 pm

Almost 5 mil for Ruutu...? Wow. I like him a lot but WOW.

by **SeawaySensFan** on Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:37 pm

NEELY wrote:Trading Kuba would be the dumbest move you could possibly make. If anything the guy should be resgined. Such a valauable and under-appreciated piece in Ottawa.

Agreed. Just saying that he should be (theoretically) worth more than a 3rd.

by **NEELY** on Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:44 pm

SeawaySensFan wrote:
NEELY wrote:Trading Kuba would be the dumbest move you could possibly make. If anything the guy should be resgined. Such a valauable and under-appreciated piece in Ottawa.

Agreed. Just saying that he should be (theoretically) worth more than a 3rd.

LH Kubina. That's what Kuba's actual value would be.

by **SpezDispenser** on Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:48 pm

Now that the numbers are trickling in on Ruutu, someone lost a bet...

Spader, your thoughts?

by **spader** on Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:52 pm

SpezDispenser wrote:Now that the numbers are trickling in on Ruutu, someone lost a bet...

Spader, your thoughts?

by **SpezDispenser** on Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:56 pm

Was that...quoted for truth there. ^

by **spader** on Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:11 pm

SpezDispenser wrote:Was that...quoted for truth there. ^

by **rooneypoo** on Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:19 pm

A look back on last year's deadline deals...

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=618375&cmpid=nhl-rxl-twt

These things are 50/50 at best. No wonder GMs look stupid half the time. Laugh1

by **SeawaySensFan** on Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:30 pm

SpezDispenser wrote:
tim1_2 wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:
tim1_2 wrote:Hahaha, per LeBrun on Twitter:
----
Coyotes feel Vermette is a Tippett-type player and believe he has more offense in him than he's shown this year
----

Funny, isn't that what everyone has always thought about Vermette?

He has more value than a 2nd and a 4th IMO. If guys like Moore are getting 2nds, Vermette should have gotten a 1st +. Washington are out of their minds for not acquiring this guy. Crazy.

Why is Vermette so valuable to Washington?

The point's been made here - and I agree with it - that Vermette can be a great 3rd line C or a defensively sound 2nd line C - or a fill in for when Backstrom's hurt being the defensive conscience for AO. He's also a top FO guy and a really solid PKer - things that Washington needs to improve on. Also takes some pressure off Johansson (sp?) and allows his to develop without the intense pressure.

Washington needs to get rid of Semin and take a direction with their team and for the cost that Vermette was to Phoenix, I think that would have been really worth a try.

Maybe young Mike Ribeiro ends up in D.C. then?

by **TheAvatar** on Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:34 pm

dennycrane wrote:Eklund reporting Ruutu is resigning with Carolina. I'd hate to see him be wrong and blow his reputation.

LOL

by **Big Ev** on Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:41 pm

That guy on the Team (don't know who it is) says that young Parenteau would be a good fit

by **SpezDispenser** on Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:53 pm

Big Ev wrote:That guy on the Team (don't know who it is) says that young Parenteau would be a good fit

Yeah, the price will be very high though. 2nd + prospect I would imagine. The guy's been doing it all year without playing with Tavares a lot of the time.

by **SpezDispenser** on Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:57 pm

Was that the loss that finally makes MacPhee in Washington make a couple of big trades, or is tonight the night Lombardi in LA gets off his Donkey with LA being shutout - AGAIN.

by **SpezDispenser** on Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:01 pm

SeawaySensFan wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:
tim1_2 wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:
tim1_2 wrote:Hahaha, per LeBrun on Twitter:
----
Coyotes feel Vermette is a Tippett-type player and believe he has more offense in him than he's shown this year
----

Funny, isn't that what everyone has always thought about Vermette?

He has more value than a 2nd and a 4th IMO. If guys like Moore are getting 2nds, Vermette should have gotten a 1st +. Washington are out of their minds for not acquiring this guy. Crazy.

Why is Vermette so valuable to Washington?

The point's been made here - and I agree with it - that Vermette can be a great 3rd line C or a defensively sound 2nd line C - or a fill in for when Backstrom's hurt being the defensive conscience for AO. He's also a top FO guy and a really solid PKer - things that Washington needs to improve on. Also takes some pressure off Johansson (sp?) and allows his to develop without the intense pressure.

Washington needs to get rid of Semin and take a direction with their team and for the cost that Vermette was to Phoenix, I think that would have been really worth a try.

Maybe young Mike Ribeiro ends up in D.C. then?

If Dallas will eat a bit of salary that might not be too bad, but is he too much of the same - all skill, not enough heart?

by **SpezDispenser** on Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:05 pm

Big week coming here...

LA is rumoured to be in on Okposo (from Dreger).

EDIT: He's having a really nice year and I like him as a player, but LA needs a pure sniper...kind of like...Nash.

by **SpezDispenser** on Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:14 pm

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=123316

Could we get Forbort for Foligno, or is that pipe-dreaming?

by **SpezDispenser** on Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:15 pm

Or Forbort + Penner for Foligno + 2nd '13 + 3rd this year?

by **tim1_2** on Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:58 am

SpezDispenser wrote:Or Forbort + Penner for Foligno + 2nd '13 + 3rd this year?

You and your undying love of Penner. Do you have a thing for chubby men?

by **Oglethorpe** on Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:17 am

SpezDispenser wrote:Or Forbort + Penner for Foligno + 2nd '13 + 3rd this year?

Penner is going to be a salary dump if he is moved, he actually lowers the value of LAs side of any deal.

by **Oglethorpe** on Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:18 am

NEELY wrote:Trading Kuba would be the dumbest move you could possibly make. If anything the guy should be resgined. Such a valauable and under-appreciated piece in Ottawa.

I hated Kuba so much last year, although, I have to agree that he would be a valuable guy to resign for either 1 or 2 years at less than 3M per year.

by **shabbs** on Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:26 am

Oglethorpe wrote:
NEELY wrote:Trading Kuba would be the dumbest move you could possibly make. If anything the guy should be resgined. Such a valauable and under-appreciated piece in Ottawa.

I hated Kuba so much last year, although, I have to agree that he would be a valuable guy to resign for either 1 or 2 years at less than 3M per year.

A Bertuzzi type deal would be nice.

Wink

by **tim1_2** on Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:55 am

Who would've thought we'd be talking about it being a good idea to resign Kuba...but I agree. He has played very well and been consistent.

So, our D next year:

Kuba / Karlsson
Suter / Cowen
Phillips / Gonchar

Any questions?

by **shabbs** on Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:04 am

tim1_2 wrote:Who would've thought we'd be talking about it being a good idea to resign Kuba...but I agree. He has played very well and been consistent.

So, our D next year:

Kuba / Karlsson
Suter / Cowen
Phillips / Gonchar

Any questions?

There is still a lot of hate out there for Kuba, but I think people fail to see how much we suck when he's not in the lineup. He does bring stability and depth and unless we have someone that can replace him, we should look at resigning him.

by **SpezDispenser** on Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:34 am

tim1_2 wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:Or Forbort + Penner for Foligno + 2nd '13 + 3rd this year?

You and your undying love of Penner. Do you have a thing for chubby men?

Haha...I think Penner would be good here, but I have nothing to back that up. The key to this deal for me is getting Forbort for Foligno,not sure why I added a 2nd rounder in there.

by **SpezDispenser** on Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:35 am

Oglethorpe wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:Or Forbort + Penner for Foligno + 2nd '13 + 3rd this year?

Penner is going to be a salary dump if he is moved, he actually lowers the value of LAs side of any deal.

I equate Penner to a 3rdround pick, so I overplayed for Forbort in that fantasy proposal I think.

by **SpezDispenser** on Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:37 am

tim1_2 wrote:Who would've thought we'd be talking about it being a good idea to resign Kuba...but I agree. He has played very well and been consistent.

So, our D next year:

Kuba / Karlsson
Suter / Cowen
Phillips / Gonchar

Any questions?

2 years 8 million or 3 years 9.5 million please. Don't really want to lose him to be honest.

And...you have Cowen on his off-side. Can't do that.