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SensGirl11


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SpezDispenser wrote:Why the heck would they need to burn a year off his ELC? Don't they have enough depth as the 1st seed? Sarcasm

Seriously though...why burn a year now?

That's really dumb. Well, they better hope they go deep cause then it's going to look even dumber.

Dumb & Dumberer. Sarcasm

Ev


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SpezDispenser wrote:Why the heck would they need to burn a year off his ELC? Don't they have enough depth as the 1st seed? Sarcasm

Seriously though...why burn a year now?

It's not dumb. What's dumb is people going Dung over contract years on ELC's.

SensGirl11


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Yeah, but what if he kicks Donkey and he's up for renegotiation at a time when they're really close against the cap and he demands a ludicrous amount of money?

That's what seems silly, but the odds of that happening are pretty slim.

wprager

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Big Ev wrote:
wprager wrote:
shabbs wrote:Via Bobby Mac... Rangers have signed Chris Kerider and will have him available for the playoffs:

"NYR and Chris Kreider have agreed to terms on an entry-level contract."

"Kreider will join NYR at practice tomorrow. Eligible to play in the playoffs. Burns 1st of his 2 year entry level contract by showing up."

"Kreider not getting any signing bonus this season and/or salary for playoffs but will get some Games Played bonuses for this playoff."

Interesting.


If they are serious about getting him into the lineup they are either panicking or completely looking past the Senators. Here we are talking about Silfverberg (who is about to be crowned the playoff MVP after winning the regular season MVP in a man's league) and are not sure if he should be getting any ice time, except maybe on the 3rd line.

This guy has had 3 years of College hockey for crying out loud. Sure, he's a PPG player there, but do you guys remember Wiercioch who came close to that as a sophomore D-man?

I don't see how this could be good for the Rangers.

Who cars, they'd be putting him on their 3rd or 4th line. He has the body and speed to play in the NHL right now. He won't hurt them even if he doesn't help them.

Like I said, it's a move that either screams of desperation (they need a NCAA grad to help in the first round) or they are completely discounting the Sens and figure it's a "gimme" series so no problem giving him a taste of the NHL playoffs.

And I don't see Torts putting in a D-man without a single minute of pro ice time against a fairly potent Sens offense.


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Ev

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wprager wrote:
Big Ev wrote:
wprager wrote:
shabbs wrote:Via Bobby Mac... Rangers have signed Chris Kerider and will have him available for the playoffs:

"NYR and Chris Kreider have agreed to terms on an entry-level contract."

"Kreider will join NYR at practice tomorrow. Eligible to play in the playoffs. Burns 1st of his 2 year entry level contract by showing up."

"Kreider not getting any signing bonus this season and/or salary for playoffs but will get some Games Played bonuses for this playoff."

Interesting.


If they are serious about getting him into the lineup they are either panicking or completely looking past the Senators. Here we are talking about Silfverberg (who is about to be crowned the playoff MVP after winning the regular season MVP in a man's league) and are not sure if he should be getting any ice time, except maybe on the 3rd line.

This guy has had 3 years of College hockey for crying out loud. Sure, he's a PPG player there, but do you guys remember Wiercioch who came close to that as a sophomore D-man?

I don't see how this could be good for the Rangers.

Who cars, they'd be putting him on their 3rd or 4th line. He has the body and speed to play in the NHL right now. He won't hurt them even if he doesn't help them.

Like I said, it's a move that either screams of desperation (they need a NCAA grad to help in the first round) or they are completely discounting the Sens and figure it's a "gimme" series so no problem giving him a taste of the NHL playoffs.

And I don't see Torts putting in a D-man without a single minute of pro ice time against a fairly potent Sens offense.

I don't see it as desperate. Just adding depth. No big deal.



Last edited by Big Ev on Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:54 pm; edited 1 time in total

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PS he isn't a d-man.

rooneypoo

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SpezDispenser wrote:Why the heck would they need to burn a year off his ELC? Don't they have enough depth as the 1st seed? Sarcasm

Seriously though...why burn a year now?

I think people are a bit confused by the CBA stuff here:

1) Chris Kreider is 20 years old, meaning that ELC is NOT eligible to slide;

2) the fact that he can play this year indicates that his ELC begins this year (2011-12) and will end three years from now (2013-14), because, again, his contract is not eligible to slide.

Rangers have nothing to lose here by playing him in the playoffs.



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cash


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wprager wrote:
remember Wiercioch who came close to that as a sophomore D-man?
PPG as a rookie, below PPG as a sophomore

cash


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So TSN picks their goalies that are most likely to steal a series and the only goalies they ranked Anderson ahead of were Clemmenson and Holtby Facepalm

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rooneypoo wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:Why the heck would they need to burn a year off his ELC? Don't they have enough depth as the 1st seed? Sarcasm

Seriously though...why burn a year now?

I think people are a bit confused by the CBA stuff here:

1) Chris Kreider is 20 years old, meaning that ELC is NOT eligible to slide;

2) the fact that he can play this year indicates that his ELC begins this year (2011-12) and will end three years from now (2013-14), because, again, his contract is not eligible to slide.

Rangers have nothing to lose here by playing him in the playoffs.

I'm still not fully understanding. Why don't the Rangers wait to sign him and start the ELC ticking next year instead of signing him now and forcing him into playoff action?

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SpezDispenser wrote:
rooneypoo wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:Why the heck would they need to burn a year off his ELC? Don't they have enough depth as the 1st seed? Sarcasm

Seriously though...why burn a year now?

I think people are a bit confused by the CBA stuff here:

1) Chris Kreider is 20 years old, meaning that ELC is NOT eligible to slide;

2) the fact that he can play this year indicates that his ELC begins this year (2011-12) and will end three years from now (2013-14), because, again, his contract is not eligible to slide.

Rangers have nothing to lose here by playing him in the playoffs.

I'm still not fully understanding. Why don't the Rangers wait to sign him and start the ELC ticking next year instead of signing him now and forcing him into playoff action?

Because he probably said sign me now or I'm going back to school next year

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Big Ev wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:
rooneypoo wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:Why the heck would they need to burn a year off his ELC? Don't they have enough depth as the 1st seed? Sarcasm

Seriously though...why burn a year now?

I think people are a bit confused by the CBA stuff here:

1) Chris Kreider is 20 years old, meaning that ELC is NOT eligible to slide;

2) the fact that he can play this year indicates that his ELC begins this year (2011-12) and will end three years from now (2013-14), because, again, his contract is not eligible to slide.

Rangers have nothing to lose here by playing him in the playoffs.

I'm still not fully understanding. Why don't the Rangers wait to sign him and start the ELC ticking next year instead of signing him now and forcing him into playoff action?

Because he probably said sign me now or I'm going back to school next year

Okay...I'll tell him that I'd sign him when I'm darn good and ready and that another year in the NCAA never hurt anyone.

Ev

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SpezDispenser wrote:
Big Ev wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:
rooneypoo wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:Why the heck would they need to burn a year off his ELC? Don't they have enough depth as the 1st seed? Sarcasm

Seriously though...why burn a year now?

I think people are a bit confused by the CBA stuff here:

1) Chris Kreider is 20 years old, meaning that ELC is NOT eligible to slide;

2) the fact that he can play this year indicates that his ELC begins this year (2011-12) and will end three years from now (2013-14), because, again, his contract is not eligible to slide.

Rangers have nothing to lose here by playing him in the playoffs.

I'm still not fully understanding. Why don't the Rangers wait to sign him and start the ELC ticking next year instead of signing him now and forcing him into playoff action?

Because he probably said sign me now or I'm going back to school next year

Okay...I'll tell him that I'd sign him when I'm darn good and ready and that another year in the NCAA never hurt anyone.

They are the ones who wanted to sign him in the summer and he said no, he was going back to school.

wprager

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Big Ev wrote:PS he isn't a d-man.

The who the hell am I thinking about?

Anyhow, I don't think it's desperation, obviously, but those are the only choices I see. Either you are desperate and you think you need his help, or you are not taking the first round seriously, and are willing to insert a player with zero pro experience in your lineup.

Clearly it's the latter. Sure, you can go ahead and say that playing him on the third or fourth line is not going to make your team weaker, but it has the potential to break up the chemistry. Plus is he really a third/fourth liner type player?


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shabbs

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The fun starts tonight!!!

Flyers @ Penguins - 7:30pm
Wings @ Preds - 8:00pm
Kings @ Canucks - 10:30pm

WOOHOO!! Playoff hockey is here!!

wprager

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shabbs wrote:The fun starts tonight!!!

Flyers @ Penguins - 7:30pm
Wings @ Preds - 8:00pm
Kings @ Canucks - 10:30pm

WOOHOO!! Playoff hockey is here!!

10:30??! Are you kidding me? I might as well take a sick day. Except we don't have sick days where I work, have to take a vacation day.


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rooneypoo

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SpezDispenser wrote:
rooneypoo wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:Why the heck would they need to burn a year off his ELC? Don't they have enough depth as the 1st seed? Sarcasm

Seriously though...why burn a year now?

I think people are a bit confused by the CBA stuff here:

1) Chris Kreider is 20 years old, meaning that ELC is NOT eligible to slide;

2) the fact that he can play this year indicates that his ELC begins this year (2011-12) and will end three years from now (2013-14), because, again, his contract is not eligible to slide.

Rangers have nothing to lose here by playing him in the playoffs.

I'm still not fully understanding. Why don't the Rangers wait to sign him and start the ELC ticking next year instead of signing him now and forcing him into playoff action?

That's a question you'd have to ask the Rangers / Krieder.

It's not a totally unfamiliar scenario, tho': when we signed Winchester and Butler, for example, we let them play a game or two late in March in order to burn one of the two years off their contract. Granted, they were both college signings, but the precedent is there.

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Preds vs. Wings should finally be an interesting series. Detroit hasn't been dominating of late and the Preds are a much stronger team compared to the last time these two teams met in the playoffs.

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