2012/13 Lineup

NEELY wrote:All depends what they are looking for. IMO they need a bomb of a LH shot on the 1st PP unit to take some pressure off Karlsson and Spezza.

So we sign Garrison and trade for Murray, and our D looks like this:

Garrison - Karlsson
Phillips - Murray
Cowen - Gonchar
Borowiecki

Oh dear, Murray probably plays the left side, and I just put him on his off-side...universe...collapsing....

Well, ignoring that possibility, that looks to be some solid D, other than what people may think about Gonchar.

Murray would be really expensive IMO. He's such a great defensive D-man - literally just what we need, but the price might be out of our league.

Ha...I wish. I've always really liked that guy.

Going into the last year of his deal, he couldn't be "really expensive". I stand by my assessment of "not too expensive"!!!!

Couldn't see him garnering a first round pick or top-tier forward...so maybe a prospect or middle-tier forward.

Just because this is an Ottawa Senators thread, let's say the deal is Foligno for Murray. Do you do it?

tim1_2 wrote:Going into the last year of his deal, he couldn't be "really expensive". I stand by my assessment of "not too expensive"!!!!

Couldn't see him garnering a first round pick or top-tier forward...so maybe a prospect or middle-tier forward.

Just because this is an Ottawa Senators thread, let's say the deal is Foligno for Murray. Do you do it?

Not without an extension IMO.

So let's say Foligno's new contract is $2.0M for two years, and we can trade that for Murray, after having negotiated a 3-year $3M/year contract for him. Do you do that?

tim1_2 wrote:So let's say Foligno's new contract is $2.0M for two years, and we can trade that for Murray, after having negotiated a 3-year $3M/year contract for him. Do you do that?

Yes.

tim1_2 wrote:So let's say Foligno's new contract is $2.0M for two years, and we can trade that for Murray, after having negotiated a 3-year $3M/year contract for him. Do you do that?

I would personally, yes. Murray is a warrior. 143 blocks, 126 hits in 60 games = a beautiful intimidation factor on the back end. Nice replacement for Kuba too.

Now...what to do about the offense from the backend...

Why, where is it said that Murray's on the block anyway?

SpezDispenser wrote:Why, where is it said that Murray's on the block anyway?

It's a hypothetical situation with the type of d-man Ottawa may have interest in.

He's certainly the kind of D-man we could use. Still like Garrison after finding out he blocks shots and hits too.

Murray also fills the 'ugly' void that has been vacated by A-Train and Leclaire.

tim1_2 wrote:

NEELY wrote:All depends what they are looking for. IMO they need a bomb of a LH shot on the 1st PP unit to take some pressure off Karlsson and Spezza.

So we sign Garrison and trade for Murray, and our D looks like this:

Garrison - Karlsson
Phillips - Murray
Cowen - Gonchar
Borowiecki

Oh dear, Murray probably plays the left side, and I just put him on his off-side...universe...collapsing....

Well, ignoring that possibility, that looks to be some solid D, other than what people may think about Gonchar.

If Garrison is that good.... don't you think Florida would re-sign him?

sandysensfan wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

NEELY wrote:All depends what they are looking for. IMO they need a bomb of a LH shot on the 1st PP unit to take some pressure off Karlsson and Spezza.

So we sign Garrison and trade for Murray, and our D looks like this:

Garrison - Karlsson
Phillips - Murray
Cowen - Gonchar
Borowiecki

Oh dear, Murray probably plays the left side, and I just put him on his off-side...universe...collapsing....

Well, ignoring that possibility, that looks to be some solid D, other than what people may think about Gonchar.

If Garrison is that good.... don't you think Florida would re-sign him?

There's a problem with waiting this long IMO. Same with Parise.

If those guys really wanted to be in their respective cities with their clubs, they would have signed by now. Parise would have given them a bit of a break and taken a 6 x 6 or 6.5 max. Garrison would have agreed to a 3.5 X 3, but the fact that it's not done likely means they want to test the market and see what kind of offers they get - and then if they go back to those clubs and they agree to match the highest offer, it all works out - but how often have you seen that?

Almost the same issue with Kuba. What's done - or not done in these instances - speak volumes.

Not sure I can see Parise leaving. Captain of a team on the verge of going to the East Finals.

Riprock wrote:Not sure I can see Parise leaving. Captain of a team on the verge of going to the East Finals.

Yeah, as I was writing it I thought that might be an exception to the rule. Still...most of the time that rule comes into play big time. If you can't put pen to paper during the many, many months available for you to negotiate, you're just not trying very hard IMO.

You always hear that players and management do no want to talk business during playoffs. They prefer to get a deal done before or after.

They will find a way to re-sign him at all costs. Should he ant to leave, I jump all over that of course. I just think it is wishful thinking.

Riprock wrote:You always hear that players and management do no want to talk business during playoffs. They prefer to get a deal done before or after.

They will find a way to re-sign him at all costs. Should he ant to leave, I jump all over that of course. I just think it is wishful thinking.

It's more than wishful thinking, it's a set up for disappointment. That guy is amazing, if the Devils lose him...he'll go somewhere in the US I'm sure.

I think he'll stick with the devils once they get rid of Volchenkov's contract....but they got a whole summer to figure that out. I was secretly hoping for Florida, and then Philly to knock out Jersey because I think a final 4 appearance will re-ignite his faith in the franchise. And as mentioned already, he's the captain and its a feel-good story in Newark.

the problem with the Devils is money. They are almost broke if reports are true

^ True.

SpezDispenser wrote:

sandysensfan wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

NEELY wrote:All depends what they are looking for. IMO they need a bomb of a LH shot on the 1st PP unit to take some pressure off Karlsson and Spezza.

So we sign Garrison and trade for Murray, and our D looks like this:

Garrison - Karlsson
Phillips - Murray
Cowen - Gonchar
Borowiecki

Oh dear, Murray probably plays the left side, and I just put him on his off-side...universe...collapsing....

Well, ignoring that possibility, that looks to be some solid D, other than what people may think about Gonchar.

If Garrison is that good.... don't you think Florida would re-sign him?

There's a problem with waiting this long IMO. Same with Parise.

If those guys really wanted to be in their respective cities with their clubs, they would have signed by now. Parise would have given them a bit of a break and taken a 6 x 6 or 6.5 max. Garrison would have agreed to a 3.5 X 3, but the fact that it's not done likely means they want to test the market and see what kind of offers they get - and then if they go back to those clubs and they agree to match the highest offer, it all works out - but how often have you seen that?

Almost the same issue with Kuba. What's done - or not done in these instances - speak volumes.

Chris Neil signed after noon on July 1 so I wouldn't read too much into things.

Fact of the matter is the biggest need will be a top 4 D man who plays a physical game. Yah, there is room for a top 6 forward but it isn't such a huge need that can't be filled from within (at least not potentially). I don't think they will sell the farm to get that D man but if the right deal comes along they have the 1st rounder, they have Zibanejad, and some other parts to go along with that.

I say Zibanejad because Da Costa may be the 3rd line center they truly want. I'm not saying Zibanejad is a bust or will bust or suggesting he won't be a beast but he could very well be a chip they play with if the RIGHT DEAL came along.

Da Costa will never be a third line centre. He is pure offence.

edit: he could be if they wanted scoring on all three lines but I would prefer the grinding bottom 2 lines. Not my decision to make though lol

They won't deal Zibanejad this year - I have strong doubts they do period. At the very worst, I think he can slot in as a 3C who can score, grind and hit, something that Da Costa most likely will have issues doing because of his size. In 2-3 years we might see one of them (or another high end prospect like Puempel) be traded, but I don't think it'll be this summer.

I've been wrong before - a fair bit too, so we'll see.

SpezDispenser wrote:They won't deal Zibanejad this year - I have strong doubts they do period. At the very worst, I think he can slot in as a 3C who can score, grind and hit, something that Da Costa most likely will have issues doing because of his size. In 2-3 years we might see one of them (or another high end prospect like Puempel) be traded, but I don't think it'll be this summer.

I've been wrong before - a fair bit too, so we'll see.

They won't trade him. He's the exact type of player this team lacks. Puempel is a guy you can easily part with.

see I disagree, pumpel could end up being a second line sniper we need. Note sure if he could become a 1st liner but you need one of those guys on the second line. Zib seems more of a gamble at times. he can play the NHL I don't doubt but can he be an effective productive top 6 as he was slotted leaves to be confirmed.

sandysensfan wrote:

If Garrison is that good.... don't you think Florida would re-sign him?

It takes two sides to sign a deal. Florida has likely talked to his agent about resigning, but if I'm one of the top-scoring d-men (Garrison), and I know the free agent market this summer is weak (it is), and this is my shot at my first big money deal (it is), then I really want to get to free agency and see what kind of deal I can get.

We'll see.

Garrison is moving on for sure. This may indeed be his only pay day and it very well could be a case of buyer beware. Penner is a guy that looks like might get an extension by the Kings based on this playoff. If they win the cup he's staying.

In all seriousness I think Brennan steal his articles from this website. How long ago did we talk about moving Anderson and how long ago did we start talking about Penner being a target?

If his next article is about Garrison.....

tim1_2 wrote:

sandysensfan wrote:

If Garrison is that good.... don't you think Florida would re-sign him?

It takes two sides to sign a deal. Florida has likely talked to his agent about resigning, but if I'm one of the top-scoring d-men (Garrison), and I know the free agent market this summer is weak (it is), and this is my shot at my first big money deal (it is), then I really want to get to free agency and see what kind of deal I can get.

We'll see.

Exactly. He'll see what he can get from teams like Ottawa.

NEELY wrote:Garrison is moving on for sure. This may indeed be his only pay day and it very well could be a case of buyer beware. Penner is a guy that looks like might get an extension by the Kings based on this playoff. If they win the cup he's staying.

He's doing well under Sutter. I wouldn't be surprised at all.

Just read that article and I feel confident in saying that's not a picture of Penner attached to it.

Flo The Action wrote:see I disagree, pumpel could end up being a second line sniper we need. Note sure if he could become a 1st liner but you need one of those guys on the second line. Zib seems more of a gamble at times. he can play the NHL I don't doubt but can he be an effective productive top 6 as he was slotted leaves to be confirmed.

He is guaranteed to be an effective top 6 player. Matt Puempel has a long ways to go before even getting into an NHL game. Zibanejad already has 9.

Michalek/Spezza/Silfverberg
Latendresse/Turris/Alfi
Stone/Regin/Neil
Greening/JOB/Smith
Daugavins/Condra

Methot/Karlsson
Cowen/Gonchar
Phillips/Lundin-Borowiecki
Lundin-Borowiecki

Anderson
Bishop (still think he may be dealt).
Lehner

Don't think Zibanejad will make it out of camp, believe he has regressed a little whether it's his fault or not. Don't think the Sens are all that happy with him either and he needs to start to figure out how to put up some numbers at a lower level before he can do it in the NHL. you don't draft a kid 6th overall to be a 20-20 guy on your third line.

As for the lineup, I think it's better than what they finished the year with. A guy like Karlsson you want someone who will stick up for him game in and game out. Methot or Cowen is a tough bell to answer. Last year whether it was E.Kane taking a run or Boyle, there was no response from Kuba and IMO that's where they wanted the change.

Up front, not a huge Foligno fan and I love Latendresse game so this is easily a step up if Latendresse's concussion issues are behind him. He's a guy whp's worst year in goals will be better than Foligno's best. That's what you need in your top 2 lines, a guy who can out the puck in the net.

Lundin, solid depth, that's it. Simply a plug until more guys are ready or at least prove they are. Sens will run with 14 forwards and 7 D this year for sure.

Also, people saying the Sens a ton of toughness yesterday... where is this coming from? Between Konopka and Carkner they didn't even play a full season. I think they were both huge in the playoffs but they are not everyday players. Your everday players that were moved out yesterday were Kuba and Folgino, Methot and Latendresse are tougher than both of them on every level.

The Sens added every day toughness yesterday, didn't subtract. The Sens are quickly becoming a very big team. Spezza, Michalek (those 2 play a little smaller) Greening, Smith, Latendresse, Stone, Neosen, Zibanejad, Sifverberg, Neil, these guys are large. Back end the only guy who (long term) that isn't a tough player is Karlsson but he has a Norris and will be an all-star for the next 15 years. Methot, Borowiecki, Cowen, Phillips, these guys are all big and play hard.

Sens won't be pushed around because they can't be. An elephant isn't the toughest or most aggressive animal but you mess with one and your face will be stomped in.

Latendresse is in no way tougher than Nick Foligno, being a big guy doesn't always equal toughness.

Also, in regards to the RHD question, apparently Lundin can play the right side. I'd have to find the article again, but it listed him as being able to play both sides.