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931 Re: NHL CBA Talk on Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:04 am

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I just want an answer one way or another, I don't care if it's game on or game over, I just want to know because what they are doing to the fans right now is wrong.

Cancel the season or start it up.

932 Re: NHL CBA Talk on Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:04 am

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SeawaySensFan wrote:
Hoags wrote:Technically they're not very far apart at all. I think it's about egos at this point.

It's been egos from the start. I thought from the start that 50-50 with guarantees on existing contracts should have been good for both sides and that's already on the table. Less reason than ever right now for this dispute to continue.

I think everyone thought that, not sure there is a person who didn't.

933 Re: NHL CBA Talk on Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:10 am

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NEELY wrote:I just want an answer one way or another, I don't care if it's game on or game over, I just want to know because what they are doing to the fans right now is wrong.

Cancel the season or start it up.

Are you going to buy an official "Game On" t-shirt if it's "game on?"

934 Re: NHL CBA Talk on Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:33 am

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SeawaySensFan wrote:
NEELY wrote:I just want an answer one way or another, I don't care if it's game on or game over, I just want to know because what they are doing to the fans right now is wrong.

Cancel the season or start it up.

Are you going to buy an official "Game On" t-shirt if it's "game on?"

The official "hanging by a thread" s-shirt! Limited quantities!

935 Re: NHL CBA Talk on Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:35 am

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SeawaySensFan wrote:
Hoags wrote:Technically they're not very far apart at all. I think it's about egos at this point.

It's been egos from the start. I thought from the start that 50-50 with guarantees on existing contracts should have been good for both sides and that's already on the table. Less reason than ever right now for this dispute to continue.

I think 50/50 with any guarantees on existing contracts means all those whose contracts are in the last year are screwed royally. Even if HRR goes up by 5% the cap ceiling is around $58M. Two teams are already $10M over.

Some notable free agents in 2013:

Perry
Getzlaf
Horton
Hartnell
Iginla
Clowe
Fisher
Alfie


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936 Re: NHL CBA Talk on Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:36 am

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NEELY wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:
NEELY wrote:I just want an answer one way or another, I don't care if it's game on or game over, I just want to know because what they are doing to the fans right now is wrong.

Cancel the season or start it up.

Are you going to buy an official "Game On" t-shirt if it's "game on?"

The official "hanging by a thread" s-shirt! Limited quantities!

Seriously though, didn't those douchebags make "Game On" shirts after Cussing fans out of a season of hockey last time?

937 Re: NHL CBA Talk on Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:38 am

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SeawaySensFan wrote:
It's been egos from the start. I thought from the start that 50-50 with guarantees on existing contracts should have been good for both sides and that's already on the table. Less reason than ever right now for this dispute to continue.

You can't have 50/50 and guarantee contracts at the same. It'd have to be a stepwise reduction from 57% to 50% but the NHL wants immediate cuts and Fehr doesn't want the players to get less (so if league revenues drop the players still get their money).

938 Re: NHL CBA Talk on Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:52 am

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SeawaySensFan wrote:
NEELY wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:
NEELY wrote:I just want an answer one way or another, I don't care if it's game on or game over, I just want to know because what they are doing to the fans right now is wrong.

Cancel the season or start it up.

Are you going to buy an official "Game On" t-shirt if it's "game on?"

The official "hanging by a thread" s-shirt! Limited quantities!

Seriously though, didn't those douchebags make "Game On" shirts after Cussing fans out of a season of hockey last time?

They did. If I knew anyone with a key to Scotia Bank Place I would climb up to those rafters, take down the "thank you fans" banner, drive to Toronto, put it infront of the NHL offices and pile dog Dung all over it. That's the dream.

939 Re: NHL CBA Talk on Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:55 am

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Hoags wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:
It's been egos from the start. I thought from the start that 50-50 with guarantees on existing contracts should have been good for both sides and that's already on the table. Less reason than ever right now for this dispute to continue.

You can't have 50/50 and guarantee contracts at the same. It'd have to be a stepwise reduction from 57% to 50% but the NHL wants immediate cuts and Fehr doesn't want the players to get less (so if league revenues drop the players still get their money).


It wouldn't be a true 50-50 until all existing contracts expire, obviously. I don't expect the players to go to 50-50 overnight either.

940 Re: NHL CBA Talk on Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:57 am

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NEELY wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:
NEELY wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:
NEELY wrote:I just want an answer one way or another, I don't care if it's game on or game over, I just want to know because what they are doing to the fans right now is wrong.

Cancel the season or start it up.

Are you going to buy an official "Game On" t-shirt if it's "game on?"

The official "hanging by a thread" s-shirt! Limited quantities!

Seriously though, didn't those douchebags make "Game On" shirts after Cussing fans out of a season of hockey last time?

They did. If I knew anyone with a key to Scotia Bank Place I would climb up to those rafters, take down the "thank you fans" banner, drive to Toronto, put it infront of the NHL offices and pile dog Dung all over it. That's the dream.

I'll buy lunch. Egg salad sammiches, bran muffins and black coffee.

941 Re: NHL CBA Talk on Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:43 pm

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Kostshytsyn speaks:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=407902



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942 Re: NHL CBA Talk on Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:51 pm

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I wouldn't be disappointed if the NHL had no Russians or anything from the old USSR (aside from Latvia).

943 Re: NHL CBA Talk on Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:14 pm

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SeawaySensFan wrote:Kostshytsyn speaks:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=407902
Heh.

Sergei would not mind a whole season wiped out...

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl-lockout/2012/10/22/nashville_predators_sergei_kostitsyn_lockout

Jeez.

944 Re: NHL CBA Talk on Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:29 pm

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Via Rob Rossi:

Cooke, Adams expressed doubts next week would differ from this week. Meaning #lockout would be still on. #penstalk #NHL

Feeling among some players is 11/2 is deadline to get deal done to play 82 games -- not deadline to start playing. #nhlpa #penstalk

Nothings ever "final" and deadlines are never "firm"... we shall see...

945 Re: NHL CBA Talk on Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:45 pm

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Guys are delusional.

At least the Russian players have the NHL as a fallback position. The Swedes have the SEL. I just don't understand what's fueling the Canuck and US players. With a small number of exceptions these guys have nowhere to go.


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946 Re: NHL CBA Talk on Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:46 pm

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wprager wrote:Guys are delusional.

At least the Russian players have the NHL as a fallback position. The Swedes have the SEL. I just don't understand what's fueling the Canuck and US players. With a small number of exceptions these guys have nowhere to go.

I wouldn't worry. Rob "Nobody" Rossi is about as relevant as Gino "Useless" Reda.

947 Re: NHL CBA Talk on Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:07 pm

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IF they let this greed about the division of revenues result in a lost season.. then that 3.2 Billion they had last season could drop significantly when they do start up.

This lockout is all about money. Fans will not stand for a long lockout or a lost season. They will have had enough.

They will lose more revenue they will never get back... They want to earn money.. well get this settled and get back to playing.

Prove to us fans (both sides) that you really care about what we think.. and how the fans are the game. Without us you have no NHL.

Stop the posturing, propoganda and whatever. Get this done and get back on the ice.

948 Re: NHL CBA Talk on Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:15 pm

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I really wouldn't get my hopes up Sandy, I really wouldn't. It doesn't look good at all. If it was gonna end, last week was the perfect time for it to wrap up neatly.

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