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16 Re: NHL 2013 Draft on Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:25 am

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NEELY wrote:American/Canadian, they both play hard and are basically the same breed now.  Really hoping for Hartman, need that kind of hell to play against player right now.

They will go with a bigger guy with this pick and I can't see Hartman being more than Conacher down the road. Don't think he will be hell to play against in the NHL. He isn't an elite skater for a guy his size.

He's going to be playing at 200lbs, 205, in and around there.  At 5'10 and throwing that kind of weight even if he's an average skater isn't something to laugh about.

to me, these kind of smaller guys who end up hell to play against in the NHL all come out of the later rounds. The firsts usually bust.

17 Re: NHL 2013 Draft on Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:26 am

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Pageau wins battles, knows where to be, and proved he can play the game against the other teams best players.  Size doesn't matter sometimes and Pageau seems to be one of those guys.  He's a complete player.

18 Re: NHL 2013 Draft on Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:28 am

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Ev wrote:
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NEELY wrote:American/Canadian, they both play hard and are basically the same breed now.  Really hoping for Hartman, need that kind of hell to play against player right now.

They will go with a bigger guy with this pick and I can't see Hartman being more than Conacher down the road. Don't think he will be hell to play against in the NHL. He isn't an elite skater for a guy his size.

He's going to be playing at 200lbs, 205, in and around there.  At 5'10 and throwing that kind of weight even if he's an average skater isn't something to laugh about.

to me, these kind of smaller guys who end up hell to play against in the NHL all come out of the later rounds. The firsts usually bust.


Not sure if they bust but the expectations are always way too high.  You can find some guys with grind in the later rounds for sure but how many can actually play the game?  Either way, my guess is Hartman but I'm never right at the draft so.

19 Re: NHL 2013 Draft on Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:30 am

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NEELY wrote:Pageau wins battles, knows where to be, and proved he can play the game against the other teams best players.  Size doesn't matter sometimes and Pageau seems to be one of those guys.  He's a complete player.

I'm not saying size matters but he may get worn down playing top minutes against the other's team's best forwards, which he has not proven he can do as he has not done that in the NHL. He still had the lowest ice time on the team in the playoffs IIRC

I see Pageau as a winger in the future, ala Briere.

20 Re: NHL 2013 Draft on Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:33 am

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He was going toe to toe with Crosby until Spezza got back and even then he was playing some hard mins on the teams best and most consistent line.  Pageau can be Ottawa's Bergeron IMO.  He just understands how to play hockey and what it takes to win.

21 Re: NHL 2013 Draft on Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:45 am

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NEELY wrote:He was going toe to toe with Crosby until Spezza got back and even then he was playing some hard mins on the teams best and most consistent line.  Pageau can be Ottawa's Bergeron IMO.  He just understands how to play hockey and what it takes to win.

If he's Bergeron than that's a Top 6 forward and we can still most certainly use a defensive mammoth like Gauthier down the road, who will only get better offensively in his own right.

22 Re: NHL 2013 Draft on Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:51 am

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Still have Turris, Spezza, Zibanejad, Smith, and even then there is still Grant who they think can be that defensive center you are talking about.  Either way, if they believe Gautier is the BPA do it but I don't think that's going to be the story.

23 Re: NHL 2013 Draft on Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:53 am

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I honestly think Gauthier is picked before the Sens are up, so it may be irrelevant. I see him going Top 15.

24 Re: NHL 2013 Draft on Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:55 am

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He might, some teams get hard when they see 6'5 guys who can play the game because of the old saying "you can't teach size"... can't really teach hockey sense either.  I don't know enough about the kid to really make a strong statement but I know enough about Hartman to say he's exactly the type of player the Sens lack and could be a very good NHL player.

25 Re: NHL 2013 Draft on Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:58 am

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Ev wrote:I honestly think Gauthier is picked before the Sens are up, so it may be irrelevant. I see him going Top 15.

Yeah...a giant two-way centre like that is tough to pass up for teams looking for depth down the middle. Like I said, what happens is anybody's guess. It's not like we're picking 1st...what we do will be directly impacted by who is taken ahead of our pick.

I'm just hoping for lots of trades, but that's usually not the case either.

26 Re: NHL 2013 Draft on Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:25 am

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Ev wrote:I honestly think Gauthier is picked before the Sens are up, so it may be irrelevant. I see him going Top 15.

Yeah...a giant two-way centre like that is tough to pass up for teams looking for depth down the middle.  Like I said, what happens is anybody's guess.  It's not like we're picking 1st...what we do will be directly impacted by who is taken ahead of our pick.

I'm just hoping for lots of trades, but that's usually not the case either.

Should be tons of trades. Just none involving Ottawa.

27 Re: NHL 2013 Draft on Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:26 am

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Ev wrote:the Sens will pick Gauthier, Erne, Rychel, Wennberg, Domi, Horvat, Hartman, Morin, Mantha, or Morrissey 

you heard it here first


28 Re: NHL 2013 Draft on Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:33 am

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Ev wrote:I honestly think Gauthier is picked before the Sens are up, so it may be irrelevant. I see him going Top 15.

Yeah...a giant two-way centre like that is tough to pass up for teams looking for depth down the middle.  Like I said, what happens is anybody's guess.  It's not like we're picking 1st...what we do will be directly impacted by who is taken ahead of our pick.

I'm just hoping for lots of trades, but that's usually not the case either.

Should be tons of trades. Just none involving Ottawa.

We've made some trades during the past 5 drafts Nod
EDIT: Not last year actually

29 Re: NHL 2013 Draft on Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:49 am

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Have a look at this.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1452789

Tells you how different teams' lists are compared to general consensus
And Gillis still hhas a job

30 Re: NHL 2013 Draft on Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:02 am

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Niedderider being where he is doesn't surprise me.

31 Re: NHL 2013 Draft on Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:14 am

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To me you have to draft a player that's got the possibility to be a high scorer even if there's a chance to bust. We need top line players even 3 years down the road as the system's full of roll players and we've got secondary scorers.

32 Re: NHL 2013 Draft on Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:16 am

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if you think Zibanejad for example is a role player then you aren't getting a top line forward at 17

33 Re: NHL 2013 Draft on Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:21 am

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Exciting times!

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