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    Re: NHL 2013 Draft

    Post by LeCaptain on Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:23 pm

    Let's get the next Jankowski

    http://www.inlouwetrust.com/2013/6/10/4411576/justin-bailey-2013-nhl-draft-prospect-profile

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    Re: NHL 2013 Draft

    Post by wprager on Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:25 pm

    LeKing wrote:
    Ev wrote:if you think Zibanejad for example is a role player then you aren't getting a top line forward at 17

    I think there's always a top line forward that comes out every year after the top 15.

    I don't know about *every* year, but look at 2003:
    #17 Zach Parisee
    #19 Ryan Getzlaf
    #23 Ryan Kesler
    #24 Mike Richards
    #28 Corey Perry

    But other than that one year, nothing jumps out between 2000 and 2005 (second half of 1st round).

    Going earlier, 1999 had Havlat at #26, in 1996 you had Briere at #24, in 1993 it was Allison at #17, Saku Koivu at #21 (not really a big scorer) and Bertuzzi at #23 (where would he be if the Moore incident never happened).

    So, yeah, it happens, but not every year.

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    Re: NHL 2013 Draft

    Post by Ev on Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:27 pm

    we already know Erne and Rychel are two of the four forwards they like at 17.
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    Re: NHL 2013 Draft

    Post by Flo The Action on Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:27 pm

    I'm pretty sure Domi is gone by 17th, if BM has a deal in place with some of the higher up teams to move up my guess is it's for Domi.
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    Re: NHL 2013 Draft

    Post by LeCaptain on Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:37 pm

    wprager wrote:
    LeKing wrote:
    Ev wrote:if you think Zibanejad for example is a role player then you aren't getting a top line forward at 17

    I think there's always a top line forward that comes out every year after the top 15.

    I don't know about *every* year, but look at 2003:
    #17 Zach Parisee
    #19 Ryan Getzlaf
    #23 Ryan Kesler
    #24 Mike Richards
    #28 Corey Perry

    But other than that one year, nothing jumps out between 2000 and 2005 (second half of 1st round).

    Going earlier, 1999 had Havlat at #26, in 1996 you had Briere at #24, in 1993 it was Allison at #17, Saku Koivu at #21 (not really a big scorer) and Bertuzzi at #23 (where would he be if the Moore incident never happened).

    So, yeah, it happens, but not every year.

    I haven't checked the later rounds but I'm sure there are some majors steals in there.
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    Re: NHL 2013 Draft

    Post by LeCaptain on Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:40 pm

    Ev wrote:we already know Erne and Rychel are two of the four forwards they like at 17.

    Summed up as "every LW LS" ? lol
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    Re: NHL 2013 Draft

    Post by Ev on Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:46 pm

    LeKing wrote:
    Ev wrote:we already know Erne and Rychel are two of the four forwards they like at 17.

    Summed up as "every LW LS" ? lol

    Erne, Rychel, Mantha, Domi
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    Re: NHL 2013 Draft

    Post by spader on Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:44 pm

    LeKing wrote:
    wprager wrote:
    LeKing wrote:
    Ev wrote:if you think Zibanejad for example is a role player then you aren't getting a top line forward at 17

    I think there's always a top line forward that comes out every year after the top 15.

    I don't know about *every* year, but look at 2003:
    #17 Zach Parisee
    #19 Ryan Getzlaf
    #23 Ryan Kesler
    #24 Mike Richards
    #28 Corey Perry

    But other than that one year, nothing jumps out between 2000 and 2005 (second half of 1st round).

    Going earlier, 1999 had Havlat at #26, in 1996 you had Briere at #24, in 1993 it was Allison at #17, Saku Koivu at #21 (not really a big scorer) and Bertuzzi at #23 (where would he be if the Moore incident never happened).

    So, yeah, it happens, but not every year.

    I haven't checked the later rounds but I'm sure there are some majors steals in there.

    FWIW, your example year is widely regarded as the best draft year ever. Great draft, but not the best example to demonstrate the norm.
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    Re: NHL 2013 Draft

    Post by Ev on Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:29 pm

    my point was Zibanejad is not a role player lol.
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    Re: NHL 2013 Draft

    Post by LeCaptain on Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:16 pm

    spader wrote:
    LeKing wrote:
    wprager wrote:
    LeKing wrote:
    Ev wrote:if you think Zibanejad for example is a role player then you aren't getting a top line forward at 17

    I think there's always a top line forward that comes out every year after the top 15.

    I don't know about *every* year, but look at 2003:
    #17 Zach Parisee
    #19 Ryan Getzlaf
    #23 Ryan Kesler
    #24 Mike Richards
    #28 Corey Perry

    But other than that one year, nothing jumps out between 2000 and 2005 (second half of 1st round).

    Going earlier, 1999 had Havlat at #26, in 1996 you had Briere at #24, in 1993 it was Allison at #17, Saku Koivu at #21 (not really a big scorer) and Bertuzzi at #23 (where would he be if the Moore incident never happened).

    So, yeah, it happens, but not every year.

    I haven't checked the later rounds but I'm sure there are some majors steals in there.

    FWIW, your example year is widely regarded as the best draft year ever. Great draft, but not the best example to demonstrate the norm.

    That was Prages' list, not mine.
    But yeah, Zibby is a top 6 prospect.
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    Re: NHL 2013 Draft

    Post by Flo The Action on Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:43 pm

    Ev wrote:my point was Zibanejad is not a role player lol.
    that's not what I was implying. I was talking about the fact that BM has been able to regularly bring in role players from the lower picks thru the draft and undrafted players that we can afford at this stage to not use our top pick on a guy that is good defensively but may turn out to be nothing more then a third liner if his offense doesn't develop. by that i meant Gautier. I'd rather we take a risk on someone that seems to have a higher sealing but more risk to them.

    Ive read shinkaruk compared to Parise in the style of player, also Domi an interesting one that gets different reviews(although his stock is much higher now and I wont be surprised if a team picks him in the top 10.)
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    Re: NHL 2013 Draft

    Post by wprager on Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:56 pm

    LeKing wrote:
    wprager wrote:
    LeKing wrote:
    Ev wrote:if you think Zibanejad for example is a role player then you aren't getting a top line forward at 17

    I think there's always a top line forward that comes out every year after the top 15.

    I don't know about *every* year, but look at 2003:
    #17 Zach Parisee
    #19 Ryan Getzlaf
    #23 Ryan Kesler
    #24 Mike Richards
    #28 Corey Perry

    But other than that one year, nothing jumps out between 2000 and 2005 (second half of 1st round).

    Going earlier, 1999 had Havlat at #26, in 1996 you had Briere at #24, in 1993 it was Allison at #17, Saku Koivu at #21 (not really a big scorer) and Bertuzzi at #23 (where would he be if the Moore incident never happened).

    So, yeah, it happens, but not every year.

    I haven't checked the later rounds but I'm sure there are some majors steals in there.

    I figured the discussion was only about the 1st round, outside of the top 15. Anything in later rounds is typically luck. There are enough teams using good scouting techniques that a guy like Alfie would not slip through the cracks like that (back in those days not many teams had Euro scouts). There's still going to be "lucky" late-round picks but not even the best scouting departments will do that consistently. Consistently getting a good 3rd liner of a 2nd rounder -- that's good scouting; getting Zetterberg in the 7th is luck (or at least it is, nowadays).


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    Re: NHL 2013 Draft

    Post by wprager on Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:59 pm

    spader wrote:
    LeKing wrote:
    wprager wrote:
    LeKing wrote:
    Ev wrote:if you think Zibanejad for example is a role player then you aren't getting a top line forward at 17

    I think there's always a top line forward that comes out every year after the top 15.

    I don't know about *every* year, but look at 2003:
    #17 Zach Parisee
    #19 Ryan Getzlaf
    #23 Ryan Kesler
    #24 Mike Richards
    #28 Corey Perry

    But other than that one year, nothing jumps out between 2000 and 2005 (second half of 1st round).

    Going earlier, 1999 had Havlat at #26, in 1996 you had Briere at #24, in 1993 it was Allison at #17, Saku Koivu at #21 (not really a big scorer) and Bertuzzi at #23 (where would he be if the Moore incident never happened).

    So, yeah, it happens, but not every year.

    I haven't checked the later rounds but I'm sure there are some majors steals in there.

    FWIW, your example year is widely regarded as the best draft year ever. Great draft, but not the best example to demonstrate the norm.

    I wasn't offering 2003 as exhibit A to prove LeKing's point; quite the opposite -- the exception that proves the rule (or, rather, the exceptional year highlights how ordinary most other years are -- there's no proof there).


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    Re: NHL 2013 Draft

    Post by sandysensfan on Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:23 pm

    wprager wrote:
    LeKing wrote:
    Ev wrote:if you think Zibanejad for example is a role player then you aren't getting a top line forward at 17

    I think there's always a top line forward that comes out every year after the top 15.

    I don't know about *every* year, but look at 2003:
    #17 Zach Parisee
    #19 Ryan Getzlaf
    #23 Ryan Kesler
    #24 Mike Richards
    #28 Corey Perry

    But other than that one year, nothing jumps out between 2000 and 2005 (second half of 1st round).

    Going earlier, 1999 had Havlat at #26, in 1996 you had Briere at #24, in 1993 it was Allison at #17, Saku Koivu at #21 (not really a big scorer) and Bertuzzi at #23 (where would he be if the Moore incident never happened).

    So, yeah, it happens, but not every year.

    Sens picked 29th that year.. took Patrick Eaves. Left and taken in the 2nd round were: Loui Eriksson, Patrice Bergeron, Shea Weber, David Backes.

    But also remember who the GM was.. and his drafting record.. Muckler.. with his 2 full time scouts and a couple of part-timers.
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    Re: NHL 2013 Draft

    Post by PTFlea on Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:58 pm

    sandysensfan wrote:
    wprager wrote:
    LeKing wrote:
    Ev wrote:if you think Zibanejad for example is a role player then you aren't getting a top line forward at 17

    I think there's always a top line forward that comes out every year after the top 15.

    I don't know about *every* year, but look at 2003:
    #17 Zach Parisee
    #19 Ryan Getzlaf
    #23 Ryan Kesler
    #24 Mike Richards
    #28 Corey Perry

    But other than that one year, nothing jumps out between 2000 and 2005 (second half of 1st round).

    Going earlier, 1999 had Havlat at #26, in 1996 you had Briere at #24, in 1993 it was Allison at #17, Saku Koivu at #21 (not really a big scorer) and Bertuzzi at #23 (where would he be if the Moore incident never happened).

    So, yeah, it happens, but not every year.

    Sens picked 29th that year.. took Patrick Eaves. Left and taken in the 2nd round were: Loui Eriksson, Patrice Bergeron, Shea Weber, David Backes.

    But also remember who the GM was.. and his drafting record.. Muckler.. with his 2 full time scouts and a couple of part-timers.

    Wow, Eriksson, Weber and particularly Bergeron hurt.
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    Post by LeCaptain on Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:58 pm

    That draft was insane. Joe Pavelski in 7th round, Enstrom and Byfuglien in 8th, Moulson in 9th
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    Post by PTFlea on Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:05 pm

    Yeah, not too shabby.

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    Re: NHL 2013 Draft

    Post by NEELY on Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:11 am

    There seems to be lots of talk about Hartman as the guy you never want to play against in this draft... man I hope that's the guy the Sens land because he's the type of guy that the Hab/Bruins/Leafs will all hate and that's what you need with a skilled team. Just nab this guy man, just do it!

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