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    Re: Ottawa prospect Number 1

    Post by tim1_2 on Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:16 pm

    Oh, I am aware that Daigle was brought up. I have no idea why.

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    Re: Ottawa prospect Number 1

    Post by wprager on Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:18 pm

    Ev wrote:I would say whoever doesn't put him ahead of Pageau is an idiot.

    In Tampa, Drouin is the #1 prospect, ahead of guys like Kucherov, etc. even though those guys have produced in the NHL. It's about talent and projection, not what you've done in the league.

    Daigle and Lazar - not even gonna go there, I don't see how the situations are alike, and Daigle is a prick.

    Actually it's not. This poll was very loose -- no parameters were specified at all. So to each his own.

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    Re: Ottawa prospect Number 1

    Post by Ev on Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:21 pm

    wprager wrote:
    Ev wrote:I would say whoever doesn't put him ahead of Pageau is an idiot.

    In Tampa, Drouin is the #1 prospect, ahead of guys like Kucherov, etc. even though those guys have produced in the NHL. It's about talent and projection, not what you've done in the league.

    Daigle and Lazar - not even gonna go there, I don't see how the situations are alike, and Daigle is a prick.

    Actually it's not. This poll was very loose -- no parameters were specified at all. So to each his own.

    C'mon, everyone knows it's wrong to rank prospects based on NHL readiness
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    Re: Ottawa prospect Number 1

    Post by PTFlea on Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:27 pm

    We go through the same thing every time when these polls are put up - and it's the same answer every time, every year: it's the prospects who not only have the most talent, but also project to be the biggest impact NHL players - not someone who's played X number of games in the NHL and looked good necessarily.

    So, for me, it's Lazar because not only do I think his talent level is high, but I think he prjoects to be a 2-way leader as well.

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    Re: Ottawa prospect Number 1

    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:30 pm

    Ev wrote:
    wprager wrote:
    Ev wrote:I would say whoever doesn't put him ahead of Pageau is an idiot.

    In Tampa, Drouin is the #1 prospect, ahead of guys like Kucherov, etc. even though those guys have produced in the NHL. It's about talent and projection, not what you've done in the league.

    Daigle and Lazar - not even gonna go there, I don't see how the situations are alike, and Daigle is a prick.

    Actually it's not. This poll was very loose -- no parameters were specified at all. So to each his own.

    C'mon, everyone knows it's wrong to rank prospects based on NHL readiness

    It's actually more wrong to rank prospects based on their junior experience.

    Lawton, Daigle, Stefan, Hickey, Filatov, Fata are all examples of guys who killed it in juniors and amounted to nothing in the NHL. You're basing your opinion of Lazar solely on hearsay, whereas I am basing my opinion on proof.

    If the poll was which prospect I am most excited about the answer would have been Lazar.

    Right now, Ottawa's #1 prospect is Mark Stone followed closely by Ceci.
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    Re: Ottawa prospect Number 1

    Post by tim1_2 on Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:30 pm

    It is what we say it is, Prags, and we say YOU'RE WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Re: Ottawa prospect Number 1

    Post by Ev on Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:32 pm

    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
    Ev wrote:
    wprager wrote:
    Ev wrote:I would say whoever doesn't put him ahead of Pageau is an idiot.

    In Tampa, Drouin is the #1 prospect, ahead of guys like Kucherov, etc. even though those guys have produced in the NHL. It's about talent and projection, not what you've done in the league.

    Daigle and Lazar - not even gonna go there, I don't see how the situations are alike, and Daigle is a prick.

    Actually it's not. This poll was very loose -- no parameters were specified at all. So to each his own.

    C'mon, everyone knows it's wrong to rank prospects based on NHL readiness

    It's actually more wrong to rank prospects based on their junior experience.

    Lawton, Daigle, Stefan, Hickey, Filatov, Fata are all examples of guys who killed it in juniors and amounted to nothing in the NHL. You're basing your opinion of Lazar solely on hearsay, whereas I am basing my opinion on proof.

    If the poll was which prospect I am most excited about the answer would have been Lazar.

    Right now, Ottawa's #1 prospect is Mark Stone followed closely by Ceci.

    I wasn't ranking based on junior experience. It's ranking them based on talent and projection Facepalm
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    Re: Ottawa prospect Number 1

    Post by Ev on Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:39 pm

    and if you were actually ranking that way, Ceci would > Stone based on the fact he has been in the league longer.
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    Re: Ottawa prospect Number 1

    Post by wprager on Mon Jul 21, 2014 4:20 pm

    tim1_2 wrote:It is what we say it is, Prags, and we say YOU'RE WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Ahhhhh!


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    Re: Ottawa prospect Number 1

    Post by wprager on Mon Jul 21, 2014 4:23 pm

    Ev wrote:and if you were actually ranking that way, Ceci would > Stone based on the fact he has been in the league longer.

    I actually picked Ceci as he's impressed me the most. Stone's had injury problems so I'm pretty sure he's going to turn it around but, even so, Ceci came in as a 19-year-old kid and apart from that one play where he put the puck right on the opposing player's stick (beautiful pass, right on the tape) he hasn't looked out of place at all. He's surpassed my expectations, whereas Stone has not, and Lazar is yet to have his expectations set.

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    Re: Ottawa prospect Number 1

    Post by spader on Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:16 pm

    A dead heat between Stone and Lazar. As I said before, I don't know enough about Lazar and have never seen him play. I should have qualified what I said above and mentioned that I'm voting for Stone not because he's ready to play in the NHL. I voted for him because when I say he's ready, I mean that he's ready to come in and demonstrate why his draft position was absurd.

    I think this is going to be a good year for the kid.
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    Re: Ottawa prospect Number 1

    Post by wprager on Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:36 pm

    Stone needs to keep healthy, that's pretty much it.


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    Re: Ottawa prospect Number 1

    Post by PTFlea on Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:59 pm

    Really excited to see Stone and Lazar this year. Ceci too. That said, there's one I'm way more excited about than the others. And that's not to say I expect Lazar to come in and score 20 and be a huge impact player off the hop - even the great Erik Karlsson took some time, I mean that I think this kid has 'it', ie character, determination and skill. A mix that is necessary, it seems, to stay in the lineup under MacLean.
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    Re: Ottawa prospect Number 1

    Post by wprager on Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:09 pm

    You guys are setting yourselves up for disappointment. He had a very good WJC but I wouldn't say he dominated. He was a very versatile player (played both the PP and PK -- the only one to do it regularly, I think), he scored timely goals, always gave 100%, made it hard for the other team. Yet he did not necessarily dominate on a team that finished out of the medals.

    Look, I'm not knocking the kid at all. It's a silly tournament. I'm much more excited about how his team won the Memorial -- a much harder tournament to win, IMO. But, again, although he was a very important cog in that machine he was not the "put contery on are back" cog.

    In my opinion, in his first go at it he will be an effective third liner, not more. He's not a small guy, but he's not NHL big yet. He's not a slow guy, but I don't think he's NHL fast, not yet. He's not a plug, but he certainly does not have the high-end skillset. He's got intangibles coming out of his ears but he will need more than third line minutes and, I'm afraid, better (more experienced?) linemates to make the kind of impact some of you seem to be expecting.

    I'd love to be proven wrong, I just don't see him doing very much in his first year. Wouldn't even surprised me if he ended up being sent back to junior for a while.

    Even Neo didn't make the first jump.


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    Re: Ottawa prospect Number 1

    Post by SeawaySensFan on Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:02 pm

    wprager wrote:You guys are setting yourselves up for disappointment. He had a very good WJC but I wouldn't say he dominated. He was a very versatile player (played both the PP and PK -- the only one to do it regularly, I think), he scored timely goals, always gave 100%, made it hard for the other team. Yet he did not necessarily dominate on a team that finished out of the medals.

    Look, I'm not knocking the kid at all. It's a silly tournament. I'm much more excited about how his team won the Memorial -- a much harder tournament to win, IMO. But, again, although he was a very important cog in that machine he was not the "put contery on are back" cog.

    In my opinion, in his first go at it he will be an effective third liner, not more. He's not a small guy, but he's not NHL big yet. He's not a slow guy, but I don't think he's NHL fast, not yet. He's not a plug, but he certainly does not have the high-end skillset. He's got intangibles coming out of his ears but he will need more than third line minutes and, I'm afraid, better (more experienced?) linemates to make the kind of impact some of you seem to be expecting.

    I'd love to be proven wrong, I just don't see him doing very much in his first year. Wouldn't even surprised me if he ended up being sent back to junior for a while.

    Even Neo didn't make the first jump.

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    Re: Ottawa prospect Number 1

    Post by LeCaptain on Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:01 am

    wprager wrote:You guys are setting yourselves up for disappointment. He had a very good WJC but I wouldn't say he dominated. He was a very versatile player (played both the PP and PK -- the only one to do it regularly, I think), he scored timely goals, always gave 100%, made it hard for the other team. Yet he did not necessarily dominate on a team that finished out of the medals.

    Look, I'm not knocking the kid at all. It's a silly tournament. I'm much more excited about how his team won the Memorial -- a much harder tournament to win, IMO. But, again, although he was a very important cog in that machine he was not the "put contery on are back" cog.

    In my opinion, in his first go at it he will be an effective third liner, not more. He's not a small guy, but he's not NHL big yet. He's not a slow guy, but I don't think he's NHL fast, not yet. He's not a plug, but he certainly does not have the high-end skillset. He's got intangibles coming out of his ears but he will need more than third line minutes and, I'm afraid, better (more experienced?) linemates to make the kind of impact some of you seem to be expecting.

    I'd love to be proven wrong, I just don't see him doing very much in his first year. Wouldn't even surprised me if he ended up being sent back to junior for a while.

    Even Neo didn't make the first jump.

    Probably right on all accounts, but he still has Bergeron upside so that's what matters for this thread.
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    Re: Ottawa prospect Number 1

    Post by Ev on Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:46 am

    wprager wrote:You guys are setting yourselves up for disappointment. He had a very good WJC but I wouldn't say he dominated. He was a very versatile player (played both the PP and PK -- the only one to do it regularly, I think), he scored timely goals, always gave 100%, made it hard for the other team. Yet he did not necessarily dominate on a team that finished out of the medals.

    Look, I'm not knocking the kid at all. It's a silly tournament. I'm much more excited about how his team won the Memorial -- a much harder tournament to win, IMO. But, again, although he was a very important cog in that machine he was not the "put contery on are back" cog.

    In my opinion, in his first go at it he will be an effective third liner, not more. He's not a small guy, but he's not NHL big yet. He's not a slow guy, but I don't think he's NHL fast, not yet. He's not a plug, but he certainly does not have the high-end skillset. He's got intangibles coming out of his ears but he will need more than third line minutes and, I'm afraid, better (more experienced?) linemates to make the kind of impact some of you seem to be expecting.

    I'd love to be proven wrong, I just don't see him doing very much in his first year. Wouldn't even surprised me if he ended up being sent back to junior for a while.

    Even Neo didn't make the first jump.

    Why does it matter what he does in his first year? That doesn't change the fact that he is their best prospect.
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    Re: Ottawa prospect Number 1

    Post by tim1_2 on Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:14 am

    Yeah, I'm not 100% convinced that Lazar sticks with the Sens after 9 games.

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