GDT: Pens @ Sens - Tuesday, Apr 7th, 7:30pm

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    Re: GDT: Pens @ Sens - Tuesday, Apr 7th, 7:30pm

    Post by wprager on Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:07 am

    SeawaySensFan wrote:
    NEELY wrote:Oh Hammond is 18-1-2... have we talked about that yet?

    The numbers do lie when it comes to Hammond last night. He made some legit saves to keep the comeback going.

    Pretty much. The first one, meh. The third one was a fluke. Do it 100 times and the other 99 it ends up landing behind the goal or someone clears it away. The second one was goalie interference. Not sure why they didn't even protest it. Hammond's been the story of the NHL for nearly two months, now, and teams have definitely taken notice and are taking measures. Again, last night, there were cases of players throwing themselves into the crease (Hornquvist comes to mind). Not talking about diving (stick first) at a puck in the crease but, rather, an almost systematic approach where if you have a good look you take the shot but if you don't then you try to take out the goalie.

    Oh, and did I mention the diving? OMG I am beginning to hate Malkin *sooo* much. Every time he was touched he went down.

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    Re: GDT: Pens @ Sens - Tuesday, Apr 7th, 7:30pm

    Post by wprager on Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:12 am

    Stone is one point behind Gaudreau and tied with Forsberg (same number of goals/assists. Also tied with Forsberg at 6 GWG. Pulling away in the takeaway department, now leading by 2. On the front of the NHL.com website as their top story (Stone Cold Stunner).

    Making a late surge in the Calder for sure.

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    Re: GDT: Pens @ Sens - Tuesday, Apr 7th, 7:30pm

    Post by wprager on Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:53 am

    SeawaySensFan wrote:
    NEELY wrote:Oh Hammond is 18-1-2... have we talked about that yet?

    The numbers do lie when it comes to Hammond last night. He made some legit saves to keep the comeback going.

    Just remembered -- even when it was still 2-0 he made a couple of huge saves. First one he'd like to have back but, honestly, how do you leave the "BPIH" alone like that, on the rush, off the opening faceoff? What the heck happened? Anyhow, 2nd goal was crease interference and as much as I hated the skate-in-the-crease rule back then what they have now is almost as bad -- there is no reason for a player to be in the crease before a shot. Even if there is no contact (there was quite a bit just as the shot was taken) it's still distracting to the goalie. Add a rule for crease infraction (no penalty) like they have in the NCAA or be more strict on calling goaltender interference. On that goal Hammond ends up laying on the ice with a Penguin on top of him, getting up very slowly. Why not skate over to the timekeeper's bench and take a look at the replay? Anyhow, after those two, before the third one (fluke) he was making fantastic saves.
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    Re: GDT: Pens @ Sens - Tuesday, Apr 7th, 7:30pm

    Post by Cap'n Clutch on Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:55 am

    Stone will end the year with the best plus/minus, most points and will at least be second in goal scoring and he might not even be a finalist for the Rookie of the year. :crossarms:


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    Re: GDT: Pens @ Sens - Tuesday, Apr 7th, 7:30pm

    Post by Vandelay on Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:00 am

    SeawaySensFan wrote:
    NEELY wrote:Oh Hammond is 18-1-2... have we talked about that yet?

    The numbers do lie when it comes to Hammond last night. He made some legit saves to keep the comeback going.

    This is what Hammond has that Anderson doesn't seem to have. I don't think anyone would question that technically, Anderson is the better goalie. When the saves must be made, Hammond always seems to come through. Anderson's strong play never seems to coincide with the team's strong play.
    Does he get a one way deal next year? If they can deal Anderson early in the offseason, at the very least, Hammond makes a great backup goalie- a guy that will battle every time he gets the net. You can see how well a team responds to that kind of battle.
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    Re: GDT: Pens @ Sens - Tuesday, Apr 7th, 7:30pm

    Post by Vandelay on Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:11 am

    NEELY wrote:#1 center with a #1 winger.  Nothing less.

    The size will always be the issue with him being a #1. The thing about him is that he establishes chemistry with whomever he plays with. Seems like our top 6 always has guys that don't work well together. Turris- Mcarthur, Turris-Stone, Turris-Ryan...on and on. No matter who you put with this guy, it seems to work.
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    Re: GDT: Pens @ Sens - Tuesday, Apr 7th, 7:30pm

    Post by PTFlea on Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:23 am

    Except for the massive cold streaks he goes through. Hopefully he can learn to limit those to a few games at a time, because this year there was about 15 games in a row where he was invisible.
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    Re: GDT: Pens @ Sens - Tuesday, Apr 7th, 7:30pm

    Post by SeawaySensFan on Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:33 am

    SpezDispensed wrote:Except for the massive cold streaks he goes through.  Hopefully he can learn to limit those to a few games at a time, because this year there was about 15 games in a row where he was invisible.

    That wouldn't matter if there were a better option at #2.
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    Re: GDT: Pens @ Sens - Tuesday, Apr 7th, 7:30pm

    Post by Cap'n Clutch on Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:50 am

    Are you suggesting Zbad is just plain bad?


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    Re: GDT: Pens @ Sens - Tuesday, Apr 7th, 7:30pm

    Post by Ev on Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:53 am

    50 points in his first full season in the league. Preyty damn good
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    Re: GDT: Pens @ Sens - Tuesday, Apr 7th, 7:30pm

    Post by SeawaySensFan on Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:59 am

    Ev wrote:50 points in his first full season in the league. Preyty damn good

    Agreed. Just not good enough to fully insulate a #1.
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    Re: GDT: Pens @ Sens - Tuesday, Apr 7th, 7:30pm

    Post by Ev on Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:09 am

    SeawaySensFan wrote:
    Ev wrote:50 points in his first full season in the league. Preyty damn good

    Agreed. Just not good enough to fully insulate a #1.

    How many second line centres put up 50 points? I think you're overestimating what a #2 is
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    Re: GDT: Pens @ Sens - Tuesday, Apr 7th, 7:30pm

    Post by SeawaySensFan on Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:13 am

    Ev wrote:
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    Ev wrote:50 points in his first full season in the league. Preyty damn good

    Agreed. Just not good enough to fully insulate a #1.

    How many second line centres put up 50 points? I think you're overestimating what a #2 is

    Not many. Those types of #s are what you would expect from a #3 on a Cup contender.
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    Re: GDT: Pens @ Sens - Tuesday, Apr 7th, 7:30pm

    Post by Ev on Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:22 am

    SeawaySensFan wrote:
    Ev wrote:
    SeawaySensFan wrote:
    Ev wrote:50 points in his first full season in the league. Preyty damn good

    Agreed. Just not good enough to fully insulate a #1.

    How many second line centres put up 50 points? I think you're overestimating what a #2 is

    Not many. Those types of #s are what you would expect from a #3 on a Cup contender.

    That's ridiculous and just wrong.
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    Re: GDT: Pens @ Sens - Tuesday, Apr 7th, 7:30pm

    Post by SeawaySensFan on Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:24 am

    Ev wrote:
    SeawaySensFan wrote:
    Ev wrote:
    SeawaySensFan wrote:
    Ev wrote:50 points in his first full season in the league. Preyty damn good

    Agreed. Just not good enough to fully insulate a #1.

    How many second line centres put up 50 points? I think you're overestimating what a #2 is

    Not many. Those types of #s are what you would expect from a #3 on a Cup contender.

    That's ridiculous and just wrong.

    Source?
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    Re: GDT: Pens @ Sens - Tuesday, Apr 7th, 7:30pm

    Post by Vandelay on Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:33 am

    SpezDispensed wrote:Except for the massive cold streaks he goes through.  Hopefully he can learn to limit those to a few games at a time, because this year there was about 15 games in a row where he was invisible.

    That was pretty much the whole team though. What are zbad's points per game in the second half? We're obviously not gonna play next year like we have the last 20 games but if we get 60 from Turris and 50-55 from Zib, we don't need a center. Still love to add ROR though.
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    Re: GDT: Pens @ Sens - Tuesday, Apr 7th, 7:30pm

    Post by PTFlea on Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:54 am

    Vandelay wrote:
    SpezDispensed wrote:Except for the massive cold streaks he goes through.  Hopefully he can learn to limit those to a few games at a time, because this year there was about 15 games in a row where he was invisible.

    That was pretty much the whole team though.  What are zbad's points per game in the second half?  We're obviously not gonna play next year like we have the last 20 games but if we get 60 from Turris and 50-55 from Zib, we don't need a center.  Still love to add ROR though.

    I'm trying to remember, I'm pretty sure when Turris went ice cold it was Zbad's line that propped us up a bit. Turris just needs to gain a little consistency, which is easier said than done, but we've seen some amazing things from him with Stone, so it's definitely possible.
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    Re: GDT: Pens @ Sens - Tuesday, Apr 7th, 7:30pm

    Post by SeawaySensFan on Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:57 am

    SpezDispensed wrote:
    Vandelay wrote:
    SpezDispensed wrote:Except for the massive cold streaks he goes through.  Hopefully he can learn to limit those to a few games at a time, because this year there was about 15 games in a row where he was invisible.

    That was pretty much the whole team though.  What are zbad's points per game in the second half?  We're obviously not gonna play next year like we have the last 20 games but if we get 60 from Turris and 50-55 from Zib, we don't need a center.  Still love to add ROR though.

    I'm trying to remember, I'm pretty sure when Turris went ice cold it was Zbad's line that propped us up a bit.  Turris just needs to gain a little consistency, which is easier said than done, but we've seen some amazing things from him with Stone, so it's definitely possible.

    I'm pretty sure it didn't. Which is why we are where we are today.

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