VOTE - Ottawa Senators Top Prospects: #1 (2015)

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    Who is Ottawa's female parental unit diddling top prospect (under 25 NHL GP)?

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    Re: VOTE - Ottawa Senators Top Prospects: #1 (2015)

    Post by Ev on Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:56 pm

    spader wrote:
    SeawaySensFan wrote:
    Ev wrote:
    SeawaySensFan wrote:That and where they were picked in the draft, right?

    As of today, yes the recent first rounders shoot up to to the top because of their talent and where they were picked

    So if I think a guy that was picked later or a guy that was picked a couple of years ago has shown significant improvement and I believe he projects to be better than the latest first rounder, I'm not allowed to pick him?

    This is precisely where I'm having trouble. According to Ev's way of thinking, Stone, who improved exponentially after his draft year would be supplanted by a guy like O'Brien, simply due to draft positioning.

    He's ignoring development completely.

    no, I'm not. You're choosing not to read my posts carefully.

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    Re: VOTE - Ottawa Senators Top Prospects: #1 (2015)

    Post by spader on Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:01 pm

    Ev wrote:
    spader wrote:
    SeawaySensFan wrote:
    Ev wrote:
    SeawaySensFan wrote:That and where they were picked in the draft, right?

    As of today, yes the recent first rounders shoot up to to the top because of their talent and where they were picked

    So if I think a guy that was picked later or a guy that was picked a couple of years ago has shown significant improvement and I believe he projects to be better than the latest first rounder, I'm not allowed to pick him?

    This is precisely where I'm having trouble. According to Ev's way of thinking, Stone, who improved exponentially after his draft year would be supplanted by a guy like O'Brien, simply due to draft positioning.

    He's ignoring development completely.

    no, I'm not. You're choosing not to read my posts carefully.

    Consider the possibility that you're not communicating effectively. If you notice a whole bunch of readers misunderstanding you, consider that you might be the problem.

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    Re: VOTE - Ottawa Senators Top Prospects: #1 (2015)

    Post by SeawaySensFan on Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:01 pm

    I think the formula is to take the hype originating from the organization and adding that players position in the draft, divide by 2 and multiply by the draft year you get your answer?
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    Re: VOTE - Ottawa Senators Top Prospects: #1 (2015)

    Post by wprager on Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:03 pm

    SeawaySensFan wrote:There can only be one right answer though because the answer is whoever the organization likes best. Right?

    Wrong! Because Lazar is *not* one of the options.


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    Re: VOTE - Ottawa Senators Top Prospects: #1 (2015)

    Post by Ev on Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:03 pm

    spader wrote:
    Ev wrote:
    spader wrote:
    SeawaySensFan wrote:
    Ev wrote:
    SeawaySensFan wrote:That and where they were picked in the draft, right?

    As of today, yes the recent first rounders shoot up to to the top because of their talent and where they were picked

    So if I think a guy that was picked later or a guy that was picked a couple of years ago has shown significant improvement and I believe he projects to be better than the latest first rounder, I'm not allowed to pick him?

    This is precisely where I'm having trouble. According to Ev's way of thinking, Stone, who improved exponentially after his draft year would be supplanted by a guy like O'Brien, simply due to draft positioning.

    He's ignoring development completely.

    no, I'm not. You're choosing not to read my posts carefully.

    Consider the possibility that you're not communicating effectively. If you notice a whole bunch of readers misunderstanding you, consider that you might be the problem.

    you're the only one who is misunderstanding, really. Prager just misunderstands and argues everything so I don't count him.

    If NEELY would be replying right now, he'd be agreeing with me 100% I would imagine.
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    Re: VOTE - Ottawa Senators Top Prospects: #1 (2015)

    Post by wprager on Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:04 pm

    SeawaySensFan wrote:
    Ev wrote:
    SeawaySensFan wrote:That and where they were picked in the draft, right?

    As of today, yes the recent first rounders shoot up to to the top because of their talent and where they were picked

    So if I think a guy that was picked later or a guy that was picked a couple of years ago has shown significant improvement and I believe he projects to be better than the latest first rounder, I'm not allowed to pick him?

    Correct! If you don't like that, you should create your own poll and clearly state that it doesn't follow Ev's rules.


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    Re: VOTE - Ottawa Senators Top Prospects: #1 (2015)

    Post by spader on Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:05 pm

    SSF also seems to be asking questions. Shrug


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    Re: VOTE - Ottawa Senators Top Prospects: #1 (2015)

    Post by wprager on Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:05 pm

    Ev wrote:
    spader wrote:
    SeawaySensFan wrote:
    Ev wrote:
    SeawaySensFan wrote:That and where they were picked in the draft, right?

    As of today, yes the recent first rounders shoot up to to the top because of their talent and where they were picked

    So if I think a guy that was picked later or a guy that was picked a couple of years ago has shown significant improvement and I believe he projects to be better than the latest first rounder, I'm not allowed to pick him?

    This is precisely where I'm having trouble. According to Ev's way of thinking, Stone, who improved exponentially after his draft year would be supplanted by a guy like O'Brien, simply due to draft positioning.

    He's ignoring development completely.

    no, I'm not. You're choosing not to read my posts carefully.

    Well, you're choosing not to write them clearly, so ...


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    Re: VOTE - Ottawa Senators Top Prospects: #1 (2015)

    Post by wprager on Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:06 pm

    This is so much fun! Judging from Ev's avatar I've driven him to drink.


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    Re: VOTE - Ottawa Senators Top Prospects: #1 (2015)

    Post by Ev on Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:07 pm

    wprager wrote:
    SeawaySensFan wrote:
    Ev wrote:
    SeawaySensFan wrote:That and where they were picked in the draft, right?

    As of today, yes the recent first rounders shoot up to to the top because of their talent and where they were picked

    So if I think a guy that was picked later or a guy that was picked a couple of years ago has shown significant improvement and I believe he projects to be better than the latest first rounder, I'm not allowed to pick him?

    Correct! If you don't like that, you should create your own poll and clearly state that it doesn't follow Ev's rules.

    How bout I create another poll and block you from posting or voting?

    Or else you migth vote a marginal prospect like Lindberg over Colin White.
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    Re: VOTE - Ottawa Senators Top Prospects: #1 (2015)

    Post by wprager on Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:08 pm

    Go ahead and try, lol.


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    Re: VOTE - Ottawa Senators Top Prospects: #1 (2015)

    Post by SeawaySensFan on Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:08 pm

    SeawaySensFan wrote:I think the formula is to take the hype originating from the organization and adding that players position in the draft, divide by 2 and multiply by the draft year you get your answer?

    The question is how do you represent this in your formula. We need to devise a hype scale from 1 - 10 in order for this to work. But I think this is as close to perfect as possible.
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    Re: VOTE - Ottawa Senators Top Prospects: #1 (2015)

    Post by SeawaySensFan on Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:11 pm

    Of course the ranking would have to be reversed ie. last player picked would be a 1, and first would be 211 (based on 2015).
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    Re: VOTE - Ottawa Senators Top Prospects: #1 (2015)

    Post by spader on Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:13 pm

    SeawaySensFan wrote:Of course the ranking would have to be reversed ie. last player picked would be a 1, and first would be 211 (based on 2015).

    It's a simple concept.
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    Re: VOTE - Ottawa Senators Top Prospects: #1 (2015)

    Post by Flo The Action on Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:14 pm

    You ladies are terrible.


    Top prospect simply means highest upside combined with possibility of achieving those expectations. Not in one year but in the long run. In other words in the players NHL career. And yes it can't be evaluated after one year.
    Now quit your Wing Dang Doodle and contribute.


    I voted for pumpel simply because he really looks like he's gonna be a good top 6 forward and his chances to succeed are looking really good. I like Paul but I'm not sure if he's top 6 or top 9. I would probably rate chabot ahead of him right now.
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    Re: VOTE - Ottawa Senators Top Prospects: #1 (2015)

    Post by Ev on Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:15 pm

    you know even if you do the rankings by draft position only, it's still close to actual rankings IMO.

    Chabot
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    Puempel
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    Re: VOTE - Ottawa Senators Top Prospects: #1 (2015)

    Post by spader on Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:24 pm

    Flo The Action wrote:You ladies are terrible.


    Top prospect simply means highest upside combined with possibility of achieving those expectations. Not in one year but in the long run. In other words in the players NHL career. And yes it can't be evaluated after one year.
    Now quit your Wing Dang Doodle and contribute.


    I voted for pumpel simply because he really looks like he's gonna be a good top 6 forward and his chances to succeed are looking really good. I like Paul but I'm not sure if he's top 6 or top 9. I would probably rate chabot ahead of him right now.

    This is exactly what I mean by "highest attainable upside."
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    Re: VOTE - Ottawa Senators Top Prospects: #1 (2015)

    Post by SeawaySensFan on Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:29 pm

    Ev wrote:you know even if you do the rankings by draft position only, it's still close to actual rankings IMO.

    Chabot
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    Puempel
    Gagne
    Englund
    Chlapik
    Prince
    Driedger
    Hogberg
    Paul
    Lindberg

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