GUESS GAME: Hoffman's Term + Cap Hit

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    Re: GUESS GAME: Hoffman's Term + Cap Hit

    Post by wprager on Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:00 pm

    One year, $3.2M via arbitration.

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    Re: GUESS GAME: Hoffman's Term + Cap Hit

    Post by Cap'n Clutch on Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:39 pm

    1yr 3.45m

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    Re: GUESS GAME: Hoffman's Term + Cap Hit

    Post by wprager on Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:46 pm

    Cap'n Clutch wrote:1yr 3.45m

    Incomplete.
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    Re: GUESS GAME: Hoffman's Term + Cap Hit

    Post by tim1_2 on Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:48 am

    8 yrs, $40M.
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    Re: GUESS GAME: Hoffman's Term + Cap Hit

    Post by wprager on Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:04 am

    tim1_2 wrote:8 yrs, $40M.

    You must be talking about Hogberg.


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    Re: GUESS GAME: Hoffman's Term + Cap Hit

    Post by Hoff-Machine on Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:32 pm

    dennycrane wrote:Numbers announced tomorrow. My guess:
    Hoffman - 3.75
    Sens - 2.3

    If it goes to arbitration, Hoffman gets 3.1. If they settle, look for 3 years, 9 million.

    $1.75M (Sens) vs $3.4M (Hoff)

    As I said in the sens thread, this is lowballing Hoffman, despite his deficiencies, guy scored 27 goals and led the team. He definitely deserves more than $2M.

    For all that we're hearing, seems like both parties are only discussing one year deals (according to wayne scanlan).
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    Re: GUESS GAME: Hoffman's Term + Cap Hit

    Post by PTFlea on Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:47 pm

    1 year, 2.8 is my final guess. I rescind my 2 year guess.
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    Re: GUESS GAME: Hoffman's Term + Cap Hit

    Post by Flo The Action on Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:59 pm

    SpezDispensed wrote:1 year, 2.8 is my final guess. I rescind my 2 year guess.
    too late.
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    Re: GUESS GAME: Hoffman's Term + Cap Hit

    Post by dennycrane on Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:53 pm

    He fully deserves more than 2. I think there is an understanding that for arbitration the player goes high and the team goes low although they have likely been negotiating a number somewhere in between. If Hoffman called up the Sens and said he would sign at 2.3, they would do it in a heartbeat. Look at Washington and Holtby (5.1 and 8.1). Both sides knew they wouldn't get that number but were preparing to try and establish a baseline with the arbitrator.

    My guess is if it goes all the way, Hoffman gets 2.6.
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    Re: GUESS GAME: Hoffman's Term + Cap Hit

    Post by Oglethorpe on Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:36 pm

    dennycrane wrote:He fully deserves more than 2. I think there is an understanding that for arbitration the player goes high and the team goes low although they have likely been negotiating a number somewhere in between. If Hoffman called up the Sens and said he would sign at 2.3, they would do it in a heartbeat. Look at Washington and Holtby (5.1 and 8.1). Both sides knew they wouldn't get that number but were preparing to try and establish a baseline with the arbitrator.

    My guess is if it goes all the way, Hoffman gets 2.6.
    I doubt the Sens are interested in paying him more tha Stone's 2.25M.

    If he is awarded more than 3M look for him to be dealt.
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    Re: GUESS GAME: Hoffman's Term + Cap Hit

    Post by wprager on Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:38 pm

    Stone's AAV is $3.5M.


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    Re: GUESS GAME: Hoffman's Term + Cap Hit

    Post by Oglethorpe on Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:03 pm

    wprager wrote:Stone's AAV is $3.5M.
    His pay this year is 2.25. AAV means nothing unless he signs a3 year deal
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    Re: GUESS GAME: Hoffman's Term + Cap Hit

    Post by tim1_2 on Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:41 am

    Oglethorpe wrote:
    dennycrane wrote:He fully deserves more than 2. I think there is an understanding that for arbitration the player goes high and the team goes low although they have likely been negotiating a number somewhere in between. If Hoffman called up the Sens and said he would sign at 2.3, they would do it in a heartbeat. Look at Washington and Holtby (5.1 and 8.1). Both sides knew they wouldn't get that number but were preparing to try and establish a baseline with the arbitrator.

    My guess is if it goes all the way, Hoffman gets 2.6.
    I doubt the Sens are interested in paying him more tha Stone's 2.25M.

    If he is awarded more than 3M look for him to be dealt.

    I think it's silly to assume he'll be traded if he crosses that $3M mark. It's only a one-year contract. I'm not saying he won't be traded, I just don't think he'll be traded because of the arbitration ruling.
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    Re: GUESS GAME: Hoffman's Term + Cap Hit

    Post by spader on Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:07 pm

    Oglethorpe wrote:
    wprager wrote:Stone's AAV is $3.5M.
    His pay this year is 2.25. AAV means nothing unless he signs a3 year deal

    Uh-oh. Ahhhhh! Ahhhhh!
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    Re: GUESS GAME: Hoffman's Term + Cap Hit

    Post by rooneypoo on Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:12 pm

    tim1_2 wrote:
    Oglethorpe wrote:
    dennycrane wrote:He fully deserves more than 2. I think there is an understanding that for arbitration the player goes high and the team goes low although they have likely been negotiating a number somewhere in between. If Hoffman called up the Sens and said he would sign at 2.3, they would do it in a heartbeat. Look at Washington and Holtby (5.1 and 8.1). Both sides knew they wouldn't get that number but were preparing to try and establish a baseline with the arbitrator.

    My guess is if it goes all the way, Hoffman gets 2.6.
    I doubt the Sens are interested in paying him more tha Stone's 2.25M.

    If he is awarded more than 3M look for him to be dealt.

    I think it's silly to assume he'll be traded if he crosses that $3M mark. It's only a one-year contract. I'm not saying he won't be traded, I just don't think he'll be traded because of the arbitration ruling.

    No no, Budget Logic clearly dictates that the same player we'd love to have on our roster for $2.5 mil is one we'd have to ship off for spare parts if there's a $500k difference or whatever.
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    Re: GUESS GAME: Hoffman's Term + Cap Hit

    Post by wprager on Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:23 pm

    Oglethorpe wrote:
    wprager wrote:Stone's AAV is $3.5M.
    His pay this year is 2.25. AAV means nothing unless he signs a3 year deal

    Then we'll take up this discussion next year.


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    Re: GUESS GAME: Hoffman's Term + Cap Hit

    Post by wprager on Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:24 pm

    tim1_2 wrote:
    Oglethorpe wrote:
    dennycrane wrote:He fully deserves more than 2. I think there is an understanding that for arbitration the player goes high and the team goes low although they have likely been negotiating a number somewhere in between. If Hoffman called up the Sens and said he would sign at 2.3, they would do it in a heartbeat. Look at Washington and Holtby (5.1 and 8.1). Both sides knew they wouldn't get that number but were preparing to try and establish a baseline with the arbitrator.

    My guess is if it goes all the way, Hoffman gets 2.6.
    I doubt the Sens are interested in paying him more tha Stone's 2.25M.

    If he is awarded more than 3M look for him to be dealt.

    I think it's silly to assume he'll be traded if he crosses that $3M mark. It's only a one-year contract. I'm not saying he won't be traded, I just don't think he'll be traded because of the arbitration ruling.

    Without silly assumptions we wouldn't have a message board. And SD wouldn't have that extra cash to buy a pack of gum.


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    Re: GUESS GAME: Hoffman's Term + Cap Hit

    Post by PTFlea on Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:45 pm

    wprager wrote:
    tim1_2 wrote:
    Oglethorpe wrote:
    dennycrane wrote:He fully deserves more than 2. I think there is an understanding that for arbitration the player goes high and the team goes low although they have likely been negotiating a number somewhere in between. If Hoffman called up the Sens and said he would sign at 2.3, they would do it in a heartbeat. Look at Washington and Holtby (5.1 and 8.1). Both sides knew they wouldn't get that number but were preparing to try and establish a baseline with the arbitrator.

    My guess is if it goes all the way, Hoffman gets 2.6.
    I doubt the Sens are interested in paying him more tha Stone's 2.25M.

    If he is awarded more than 3M look for him to be dealt.

    I think it's silly to assume he'll be traded if he crosses that $3M mark. It's only a one-year contract. I'm not saying he won't be traded, I just don't think he'll be traded because of the arbitration ruling.

    Without silly assumptions we wouldn't have a message board. And SD wouldn't have that extra cash to buy a pack of gum.

    Yeah? Gum costs nothing these days? Nice! Ahhhhh! Ahhhhh!

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