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SeawaySensFan

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tim1_2 wrote:I honestly think a one year deal makes sense for both sides. You'd think they'd be able to come to a $2.8Mish compromise before arbitration, but who knows.

The team might want to pay a little more for a one-year to have another go at Hoffman with RFA status. And Hoffman might lean towards a discounted 2 year deal to lead into a UFA windfall.

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At this point, I doubt the Sens even listen to a 2 year offer. I forgot that he'll be a UFA in 2, so it's either 1 or 3+, but I would imagine they want a 1 year to re-assess.

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Michallica wrote:Hmm hate to say it, but sens are low-balling hoffman big time.  I'd say he's easily worth greening money at least, even if he's only shown it for a year, still what a year.  Outscored everyone on the team including bobby ryan.  

You can't use a contract that everyone realizes is a mistake as a comparable. "Greening money" = an inappropriate $ value and term. No one is "worth" Greening money because Greening money is a poor investment.

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Any progress with The Hoffer?

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spader wrote:
Michallica wrote:Hmm hate to say it, but sens are low-balling hoffman big time.  I'd say he's easily worth greening money at least, even if he's only shown it for a year, still what a year.  Outscored everyone on the team including bobby ryan.  

You can't use a contract that everyone realizes is a mistake as a comparable. "Greening money" = an inappropriate $ value and term. No one is "worth" Greening money because Greening money is a poor investment.

Maybe not. Sure it was a mistake, but greening never led his team in scoring or even scored 20 goals for that matter to 'earn' that contract. When I say he deserves greening money, I mean the actual cap hit, not directly comparing situations. But the sens also have to look in the mirror and realize they are offering hoffman much less than what they're paying a healthy scratch....after leading the team in scoring.

A bit of an insult, but based on the bernier stuff, it looks like it's just all strategy.

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Michallica wrote:
spader wrote:
Michallica wrote:Hmm hate to say it, but sens are low-balling hoffman big time.  I'd say he's easily worth greening money at least, even if he's only shown it for a year, still what a year.  Outscored everyone on the team including bobby ryan.  

You can't use a contract that everyone realizes is a mistake as a comparable. "Greening money" = an inappropriate $ value and term. No one is "worth" Greening money because Greening money is a poor investment.

Maybe not.  Sure it was a mistake, but greening never led his team in scoring or even scored 20 goals for that matter to 'earn' that contract.  When I say he deserves greening money, I mean the actual cap hit, not directly comparing situations.  But the sens also have to look in the mirror and realize they are offering hoffman much less than what they're paying a healthy scratch....after leading the team in scoring.  

A bit of an insult, but based on the bernier stuff, it looks like it's just all strategy.

In player elected arbitration, I believe the player submits his request first and the team responds to that number. I think, anyway. At any rate, you see how it works. The mid point between the player's # and the team's number usually represents the actual max that the team has in mind. 1.75 isn't an insult... It's part of the process to get Hoffman signed for something like $2.5-2.75 mil for the year.

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No news on The Hoffer.

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Regardless of who submits first, I think neither side knows the other side's figure until the arbitrator has both numbers.


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Here's Senschirp's 15/16 opening lineup prediction: http://senschirp.ca/news/your-20152016-ottawa-senators/

Seems about right. Assuming the young kids take a step forward, this should be a playoff team.

The one thing I disagree with Senschirp about is the Methot/Karlsson pairing. He thinks that they should be split to pair Methot with Ceci and Karlsson with Wiercioch, but I don't see how anyone would want to do that given how well they played together after Methot came back last season. Karlsson won the Norris trophy playing with Methot...why mess with that?

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You know what grinds my gears. I can't even tune into go TSN 1200 anymore without having to suffer through all the other sports(why the focus on Golf so much) at this time of year. God this sucks.

Does anyone know how to access syrus NHL radio online for free? I need something vaguely interesting to listen to in these dog days of summer.

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Flo The Action wrote:You know what grinds my gears. I can't even tune into go TSN 1200 anymore without having to suffer through all the other sports(why the focus on Golf so much) at this time of year. God this sucks.

Does anyone know how to access syrus NHL radio online for free? I need something vaguely interesting to listen to in these dog days of summer.


i'm the opposite. I don't wanna hear about hockey in the summer.

tim1_2

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Yeah, there really isn't much to say this time of year about hockey. The guys on TSN 1200 don't have much real insight most of the time anyway, it's just reactions to headlines.

I'm fine if they want to yack about golf and baseball. The Blow Jays are somewhat interesting these days.

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Flo The Action wrote:You know what grinds my gears. I can't even tune into go TSN 1200 anymore without having to suffer through all the other sports(why the focus on Golf so much) at this time of year. God this sucks.

Does anyone know how to access syrus NHL radio online for free? I need something vaguely interesting to listen to in these dog days of summer.


There's other sports? What?!?!

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tim1_2 wrote:Here's Senschirp's 15/16 opening lineup prediction:   http://senschirp.ca/news/your-20152016-ottawa-senators/

Seems about right.  Assuming the young kids take a step forward, this should be a playoff team.  

The one thing I disagree with Senschirp about is the Methot/Karlsson pairing.  He thinks that they should be split to pair Methot with Ceci and Karlsson with Wiercioch, but I don't see how anyone would want to do that given how well they played together after Methot came back last season.  Karlsson won the Norris trophy playing with Methot...why mess with that?

Because Karlsson/Wiercioch were even better than Karlsson/Methot, and it's fair to say that Methot/Ceci would be better than Wiercioch/Ceci.

Let's face it, both Wiercioch and Ceci play better when paired up with someone with experience.


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SeawaySensFan wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:You know what grinds my gears. I can't even tune into go TSN 1200 anymore without having to suffer through all the other sports(why the focus on Golf so much) at this time of year. God this sucks.

Does anyone know how to access syrus NHL radio online for free? I need something vaguely interesting to listen to in these dog days of summer.


There's other sports? What?!?!
My feelings exactly. I couldn't give to Dung about watching any other team sports. Unless it's a nice surf competition or snowboarding I'm not gonna care what goes on on TSN. Diddle the Jays. I will never support any sports franchise coming out of that putrid city.
Speaking of surfing 10 days left until I spend 3 weeks in Costa Rica on a board! Longest 10 days of my life....

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