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    Post by Ev on Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:38 am

    How is Pageau a Top 6 player (yet)?


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    Post by Ev on Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:39 am

    Oglethorpe wrote:Great idea, break up the one line that is producing Facepalm

    Why not just move around the other 3 lines Michalek - Pageau - Ryan / Prince - ZBad - Lazar / Chiasson - Smith - Neil

    as I said the other day, the line is broken up quite a bit and always produces, because of Turris, and now because of Stone. Removing Hoffman doesn't hurt the line.

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    Oglethorpe wrote:Great idea, break up the one line that is producing Facepalm

    Why not just move around the other 3 lines Michalek - Pageau - Ryan / Prince - ZBad - Lazar / Chiasson - Smith - Neil

    Because Hoffman can produce with Ryan and Zbad, as we've seen and this league is about duos more than three players. Turris and Stone are the rocks of that line, Hoffman can be shifted around and not lose confidence IMO.

    Plus, we'll never win a thing if only one line is producing.
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    Post by PTFlea on Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:41 am

    Ev wrote:How is Pageau a Top 6 player (yet)?


    I'm saying, given a chance, I think he could be a top 6 player that produces top 6 numbers. He's got all the tools. Nice shot, great offensive awareness, willingness to go to dirty areas, great battle along the boards, he hits. Everything.
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    Post by Oglethorpe on Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:42 am

    SpezDispensed wrote:
    Oglethorpe wrote:Great idea, break up the one line that is producing Facepalm

    Why not just move around the other 3 lines Michalek - Pageau - Ryan / Prince - ZBad - Lazar / Chiasson - Smith - Neil

    Because Hoffman can produce with Ryan and Zbad, as we've seen and this league is about duos more than three players.  Turris and Stone are the rocks of that line, Hoffman can be shifted around and not lose confidence IMO.

    Plus, we'll never win a thing if only one line is producing.
    You'll win even less if no lines are producing. The Turris / Stone combo works better with Hoffman's speed.
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    Post by Oglethorpe on Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:43 am

    SpezDispensed wrote:
    Ev wrote:How is Pageau a Top 6 player (yet)?


    I'm saying, given a chance, I think he could be a top 6 player that produces top 6 numbers.  He's got all the tools.  Nice shot, great offensive awareness, willingness to go to dirty areas, great battle along the boards, he hits.  Everything.  
    Just looking at today, I think Pageau brings more to the 2nd line than ZBad. Maybe 20 games down the road that changes.
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    Post by Ev on Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:47 am

    Oglethorpe wrote:
    SpezDispensed wrote:
    Oglethorpe wrote:Great idea, break up the one line that is producing Facepalm

    Why not just move around the other 3 lines Michalek - Pageau - Ryan / Prince - ZBad - Lazar / Chiasson - Smith - Neil

    Because Hoffman can produce with Ryan and Zbad, as we've seen and this league is about duos more than three players.  Turris and Stone are the rocks of that line, Hoffman can be shifted around and not lose confidence IMO.

    Plus, we'll never win a thing if only one line is producing.
    You'll win even less if no lines are producing.  The Turris / Stone combo works better with Hoffman's speed.

    does it? because they were PPG players with MacArthur/Michalek/Chiasson on their wing last year.
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    Post by Ev on Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:58 am

    Apparently Laurie Boschman is the chaplain of the Sens. Did not know that.
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    Post by Oglethorpe on Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:59 am

    Ev wrote:
    Oglethorpe wrote:
    SpezDispensed wrote:
    Oglethorpe wrote:Great idea, break up the one line that is producing Facepalm

    Why not just move around the other 3 lines Michalek - Pageau - Ryan / Prince - ZBad - Lazar / Chiasson - Smith - Neil

    Because Hoffman can produce with Ryan and Zbad, as we've seen and this league is about duos more than three players.  Turris and Stone are the rocks of that line, Hoffman can be shifted around and not lose confidence IMO.

    Plus, we'll never win a thing if only one line is producing.
    You'll win even less if no lines are producing.  The Turris / Stone combo works better with Hoffman's speed.

    does it? because they were PPG players with MacArthur/Michalek/Chiasson on their wing last year.
    No they weren't. They are 1.33 PPG this year, but whatever, it's my opinion on what I see which is much higher puck possession. Maybe one of the analytics geeks around here can check out their Fenway and Corso or whatever
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    Post by SeawaySensFan on Thu Oct 22, 2015 12:04 pm

    Oglethorpe wrote:
    Ev wrote:
    Oglethorpe wrote:
    SpezDispensed wrote:
    Oglethorpe wrote:Great idea, break up the one line that is producing Facepalm

    Why not just move around the other 3 lines Michalek - Pageau - Ryan / Prince - ZBad - Lazar / Chiasson - Smith - Neil

    Because Hoffman can produce with Ryan and Zbad, as we've seen and this league is about duos more than three players.  Turris and Stone are the rocks of that line, Hoffman can be shifted around and not lose confidence IMO.

    Plus, we'll never win a thing if only one line is producing.
    You'll win even less if no lines are producing.  The Turris / Stone combo works better with Hoffman's speed.

    does it? because they were PPG players with MacArthur/Michalek/Chiasson on their wing last year.
    No they weren't.  They are 1.33 PPG this year, but whatever, it's my opinion on what I see which is much higher puck possession.   Maybe one of the analytics geeks around here can check out their Fenway and Corso or whatever

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    Post by Ev on Thu Oct 22, 2015 12:05 pm

    Oglethorpe wrote:
    Ev wrote:
    Oglethorpe wrote:
    SpezDispensed wrote:
    Oglethorpe wrote:Great idea, break up the one line that is producing Facepalm

    Why not just move around the other 3 lines Michalek - Pageau - Ryan / Prince - ZBad - Lazar / Chiasson - Smith - Neil

    Because Hoffman can produce with Ryan and Zbad, as we've seen and this league is about duos more than three players.  Turris and Stone are the rocks of that line, Hoffman can be shifted around and not lose confidence IMO.

    Plus, we'll never win a thing if only one line is producing.
    You'll win even less if no lines are producing.  The Turris / Stone combo works better with Hoffman's speed.

    does it? because they were PPG players with MacArthur/Michalek/Chiasson on their wing last year.
    No they weren't.  They are 1.33 PPG this year, but whatever, it's my opinion on what I see which is much higher puck possession.   Maybe one of the analytics geeks around here can check out their Fenway and Corso or whatever

    When Turris and Stone were together last year, I am pretty sure they were PPG or very close to it. I don't mean they were PPG for the entire 82 games. Either way I think they'll produce and possess with Chris Neil on their wing.
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    Post by SeawaySensFan on Thu Oct 22, 2015 12:09 pm

    Ev wrote:
    Oglethorpe wrote:
    Ev wrote:
    Oglethorpe wrote:
    SpezDispensed wrote:
    Oglethorpe wrote:Great idea, break up the one line that is producing Facepalm

    Why not just move around the other 3 lines Michalek - Pageau - Ryan / Prince - ZBad - Lazar / Chiasson - Smith - Neil

    Because Hoffman can produce with Ryan and Zbad, as we've seen and this league is about duos more than three players.  Turris and Stone are the rocks of that line, Hoffman can be shifted around and not lose confidence IMO.

    Plus, we'll never win a thing if only one line is producing.
    You'll win even less if no lines are producing.  The Turris / Stone combo works better with Hoffman's speed.

    does it? because they were PPG players with MacArthur/Michalek/Chiasson on their wing last year.
    No they weren't.  They are 1.33 PPG this year, but whatever, it's my opinion on what I see which is much higher puck possession.   Maybe one of the analytics geeks around here can check out their Fenway and Corso or whatever

    When Turris and Stone were together last year, I am pretty sure they were PPG or very close to it. I don't mean they were PPG for the entire 82 games. Either way I think they'll produce and possess with Chris Neil on their wing.

    Good to see the Neiler finally get a shot.
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    Post by PTFlea on Thu Oct 22, 2015 12:16 pm

    Ev wrote:
    Oglethorpe wrote:
    SpezDispensed wrote:
    Oglethorpe wrote:Great idea, break up the one line that is producing Facepalm

    Why not just move around the other 3 lines Michalek - Pageau - Ryan / Prince - ZBad - Lazar / Chiasson - Smith - Neil

    Because Hoffman can produce with Ryan and Zbad, as we've seen and this league is about duos more than three players.  Turris and Stone are the rocks of that line, Hoffman can be shifted around and not lose confidence IMO.

    Plus, we'll never win a thing if only one line is producing.
    You'll win even less if no lines are producing.  The Turris / Stone combo works better with Hoffman's speed.

    does it? because they were PPG players with MacArthur/Michalek/Chiasson on their wing last year.

    Yeah, and Hoffman propelled Ryan and ZBad to new heights. I think Turris and Stone can similarly propel Ryan back on track.

    EDIT: and the 2 for 1 of it would be Hoffman back with Zbad and whoever they feel they need to put on that line. Might be worth a shot, but then, patience is key with Z and Ryan, two notoriously slow starters.

    Turris and Stone will cool off for a bit and that's when you hope Z and Ryan can get hot - like last year.
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    Post by wprager on Thu Oct 22, 2015 3:33 pm

    Ev wrote:
    wprager wrote:I'm not saying Fisher wasn't, I'm saying we had many discussions.  Those discussions typically were about how he was a pretty good top-six winger, but as a center in a top-six role he left some things to be desired.  For instance, he was very much a north/south player, where as a center you were expected to have more creativity.  I think Mendes wrote an article at one point comparing Mike Fisher to other 2LCs in the league and how his stats actually compared rather favorably with other 2LCs (not named Malkin).  

    As for Zibanejad not playing the body, I stand by what I said -- as compared to Mike Fisher.  When Fisher wasn't going offensively he still contributed with his physical play, something that Zibanejad does not do on a regular basis.

    Last year Zibanejad was 6th on the team in hits, behind 3rd liners Pageau and Lazar.  Both played fewer minutes and fewer games (Pageau played 30 gewer games!)  So far this year, he's on pace for even fewer hits than last year (Chiasson is ahead of him for crying out loud).  Mike Fisher, who is considerably older, has 21 hits through 6 games, while Zibanejad has 8 in the same number of games.  

    Of course he's on pace for fewer when he is a notoriously slow starter. He was the same last year. Not to mention Mike Fisher has 2 points all year.

    Hits is a very dumb stat but Fisher has 2 hits per game over the last two years compared to 1.8 for Zibanejad. Fisher is more physical, but saying Zibanejad isn't is incorrect. He's especially physical when he's on his game. Not to mention Mike Fisher has 2 points all year. So you can have your hits all you want, Mike...

    3rd liners like Chiasson, Lazar, and Pageau should be hitting a lot as they don't have the puck a lot and that's their role. Pageau and Lazar especially are physical players and they are not expected to score a lot. Pageau has more jam but doesn't have the same level of upside of course.

    Comparing Mike Fisher now to a 22 year old is kinda dumb. I'm saying Fisher *now* at his age, is still more of a hitter than Zibanejad. Not that I necessarily want Zibanejad to be a hitter, but if he doesn't hit, then he should be scoring at a better pace than Mike Fisher did when we were al discussing whether he was a 2LC or not.


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    Post by wprager on Thu Oct 22, 2015 3:34 pm

    tim1_2 wrote:ZBad generally looks like he doesn't have full confidence in himself, but then there's times when he does great things with the puck.  It seems like the Sens brass will continue to have patience with him, but sooner or later he's going to have to elevate, or be demoted to the third line.

    The contract they gave him was a bit of a message.


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    wprager wrote:
    tim1_2 wrote:ZBad generally looks like he doesn't have full confidence in himself, but then there's times when he does great things with the puck.  It seems like the Sens brass will continue to have patience with him, but sooner or later he's going to have to elevate, or be demoted to the third line.

    The contract they gave him was a bit of a message.

    Looks like the message was received loud and clear.
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    SeawaySensFan wrote:
    wprager wrote:
    tim1_2 wrote:ZBad generally looks like he doesn't have full confidence in himself, but then there's times when he does great things with the puck.  It seems like the Sens brass will continue to have patience with him, but sooner or later he's going to have to elevate, or be demoted to the third line.

    The contract they gave him was a bit of a message.

    Looks like the message was received loud and clear.

    Sure was! He cut his hair and all.


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    Post by tim1_2 on Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:06 am

    Mike Hoffy Hoffman was injured late in the game last night and is not at practice this morning.  This is not great news.

    Lazar is taking The Hoff's spot on the top line in practice.

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