GAME DAY #39: Senators @ Blackhawks - 7:00 pm - Sunday, Jan 3 2016

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    Re: GAME DAY #39: Senators @ Blackhawks - 7:00 pm - Sunday, Jan 3 2016

    Post by tim1_2 on Mon Jan 04, 2016 8:32 am

    Yeah, this can't really be pinned on Cameron. There's way too much panic going on in here. The team's in slump, it happens. Look at what Montreal's been going through.

    I don't think Karlsson should keep playing 30+, but if anyone can handle it, he can.

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    Post by wprager on Mon Jan 04, 2016 8:54 am

    Ev wrote:How is chiasson making  a lot of money? He's actually looked good ad a third liner over the last tow months imo. Using his size effectively

    Effort is there, barely. Third liners are expected to contribute offensively. He's a staple on our PK and our PK is really, really bad. A guy like this, making more than league minimum, is making a lot of money for nothing. When things aren't going well offensively you are expected to contribute in other ways. For a big guy who plays a regular shift on the PK his shot blocks and hits are very low. He needs to crash the net, take extra whacks, do SOMETHING.

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    Post by wprager on Mon Jan 04, 2016 8:59 am

    tim1_2 wrote:Yeah, this can't really be pinned on Cameron. There's way too much panic going on in here. The team's in  slump, it happens. Look at what Montreal's been going through.

    I don't think Karlsson should keep playing 30+, but if anyone can handle it, he can.

    The coach has to be better, just like the players. He doesn't and shouldn't get a free pass. There is no excuse in playing Smith (zero EV points in 15 games) on the top line. Using Boro as a forward was what, exactly? A smart coaching move or a sign of desperation? Or a feeble attempt to humiliate a player? I think Cameron lucked into some injuries (Smith, Neil, Phillips) and a hot goaltender last year and everyone thought it was his coaching. He's making the same boneheaded mistakes MacLean started making.

    I'm beginning to think this could be Murray insisting on certain players being played.

    Or something in the water at the CTC.
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    Post by PTFlea on Mon Jan 04, 2016 9:30 am

    Oglethorpe wrote:
    SpezDispensed wrote:What happens to these coaches?  What goes on in their brain?  I don't understand.  It's going to cost you your job dimwit!
    Nothing happens to the coaches, look at the roster.  

    Again, why not try to use a player who has some skill with the skilled players? I just don't get it. Smith excelled in his role as a third liner, why thrust him into a top line role? Prince has skill, give it a prolonged look.
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    Post by Ev on Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:11 am

    Prince hasn't warranted enough to become a 1st love winger. The fact is it doesn't really matter who plays. With turris and stone if they're on their game and healthy
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    Re: GAME DAY #39: Senators @ Blackhawks - 7:00 pm - Sunday, Jan 3 2016

    Post by Ev on Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:12 am

    wprager wrote:
    Ev wrote:How is chiasson making  a lot of money? He's actually looked good ad a third liner over the last tow months imo. Using his size effectively

    Effort is there, barely.  Third liners are expected to contribute offensively.  He's a staple on our PK and our PK is really, really bad.  A guy like this, making more than league minimum, is making a lot of money for nothing.  When things aren't going well offensively you are expected to contribute in other ways.  For a big guy who plays a regular shift on the PK his shot blocks and hits are very low.  He needs to crash the net, take extra whacks, do SOMETHING.

    Hits is not an important stat especially on the PK. You're expecting too much out of a guy who makes a million
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    Post by PTFlea on Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:48 am

    Ev wrote:Prince hasn't warranted enough to become a 1st love winger. The fact is it doesn't really matter who plays. With turris and stone if they're on their game and healthy

    See, that's where we disagree, I think it makes a load of difference. Especially on the third line where Pageau is being held back by glaringly average players on his wings. At least McCormick has a nice mix of grit and skill. I wish Puempel or dzingel was on his other side so something might actually happen from time to time there 5 on 5.
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    Post by PTFlea on Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:53 am

    And who can say if prince can play top line? He's been tried there for what...6 shfts?
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    Re: GAME DAY #39: Senators @ Blackhawks - 7:00 pm - Sunday, Jan 3 2016

    Post by Oglethorpe on Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:15 am

    wprager wrote:
    tim1_2 wrote:Yeah, this can't really be pinned on Cameron. There's way too much panic going on in here. The team's in  slump, it happens. Look at what Montreal's been going through.

    I don't think Karlsson should keep playing 30+, but if anyone can handle it, he can.

    The coach has to be better, just like the players.  He doesn't and shouldn't get a free pass.  There is no excuse in playing Smith (zero EV points in 15 games) on the top line.  Using Boro as a forward was what, exactly?  A smart coaching move or a sign of desperation?  Or a feeble attempt to humiliate a player?  I think Cameron lucked into some injuries (Smith, Neil, Phillips) and a hot goaltender last year and everyone thought it was his coaching.  He's making the same boneheaded mistakes MacLean started making.

    I'm beginning to think this could be Murray insisting on certain players being played.

    Or something in the water at the CTC.
    Cameron using Boro as a forward and running Smith out with the first line should tell you he has no options. Pageau is a staple as the third line centre so his options are Neil, McCormick, Chiaisson, Lazar or Prince.

    Prince wouldn't even be in Ottawa if Murray had the balls to send him to Bingo.
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    Re: GAME DAY #39: Senators @ Blackhawks - 7:00 pm - Sunday, Jan 3 2016

    Post by Oglethorpe on Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:16 am

    SpezDispensed wrote:
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    SpezDispensed wrote:What happens to these coaches?  What goes on in their brain?  I don't understand.  It's going to cost you your job dimwit!
    Nothing happens to the coaches, look at the roster.  

    Again, why not try to use a player who has some skill with the skilled players?  I just don't get it.  Smith excelled in his role as a third liner, why thrust him into a top line role?  Prince has skill, give it a prolonged look.  
    Prince is a huge liability on the ice. He should be waived.
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    Re: GAME DAY #39: Senators @ Blackhawks - 7:00 pm - Sunday, Jan 3 2016

    Post by Oglethorpe on Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:19 am

    This is all on Murray, you can't have Neil, Chiaisson, Cowen, Smith, Weircioch and Boro all on the roster. Zero quickness in that group.
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    Re: GAME DAY #39: Senators @ Blackhawks - 7:00 pm - Sunday, Jan 3 2016

    Post by Ev on Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:42 am

    Oglethorpe wrote:This is all on Murray, you can't have Neil, Chiaisson, Cowen, Smith, Weircioch and Boro all on the roster.  Zero quickness in that group.  

    Chiasson, Smith and Neil are pretty quick.
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    Re: GAME DAY #39: Senators @ Blackhawks - 7:00 pm - Sunday, Jan 3 2016

    Post by Hoff-Machine on Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:10 pm

    missed the game, but looking at the highlights, it didn't look like they got dominated like they usually do (got outshot 30-26). SOme good saves from crawford but it's clear we need people who can bury some chances (think chiasson and mccormick had some real closeup chances they didn't bury)

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    Re: GAME DAY #39: Senators @ Blackhawks - 7:00 pm - Sunday, Jan 3 2016

    Post by Oglethorpe on Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:13 pm

    Ev wrote:
    Oglethorpe wrote:This is all on Murray, you can't have Neil, Chiaisson, Cowen, Smith, Weircioch and Boro all on the roster.  Zero quickness in that group.  

    Chiasson, Smith and Neil are pretty quick.
    What????
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    Re: GAME DAY #39: Senators @ Blackhawks - 7:00 pm - Sunday, Jan 3 2016

    Post by Oglethorpe on Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:13 pm

    Ev wrote:
    Oglethorpe wrote:This is all on Murray, you can't have Neil, Chiaisson, Cowen, Smith, Weircioch and Boro all on the roster.  Zero quickness in that group.  

    Chiasson, Smith and Neil are pretty quick.
    What????
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    Post by PTFlea on Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:27 pm

    I Cussing hate that Hoffman isn't on PP 1. Hate it. It's stupid.

    I further hate that Smith is there on line 1 ES and someone like prince isnt. Diddle I'm still really annoyed.
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    Re: GAME DAY #39: Senators @ Blackhawks - 7:00 pm - Sunday, Jan 3 2016

    Post by TheAvatar on Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:41 pm

    SpezDispensed wrote:
    Ev wrote:How is chiasson making  a lot of money? He's actually looked good ad a third liner over the last tow months imo. Using his size effectively

    You could literally put any forward prospect in chiassons place and you wouldn't miss a beat. No offence chiasson he'll be remembered as.  Useless.

    I can't believe Chiasson is the best deal we could get for Spezza ... We'll see how Nick Paul turns out but man ...
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    Re: GAME DAY #39: Senators @ Blackhawks - 7:00 pm - Sunday, Jan 3 2016

    Post by Ev on Mon Jan 04, 2016 2:23 pm

    Oglethorpe wrote:
    Ev wrote:
    Oglethorpe wrote:This is all on Murray, you can't have Neil, Chiaisson, Cowen, Smith, Weircioch and Boro all on the roster.  Zero quickness in that group.  

    Chiasson, Smith and Neil are pretty quick.
    What????

    Chiasson is pretty quick IMO. Smith is a good skater as well. I legit don't see the issues there. Neil, whatever he's almost done anyway, but he can still get up and go.

    Smith has been skating very well this seasno.

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