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    Re: How do we fix the Senators

    Post by PTFlea on Tue Feb 16, 2016 11:26 pm

    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Dzingel looked great tonight. We could really have a solid 4th line next year

    Hes not a 4th liner though.

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    Re: How do we fix the Senators

    Post by Flo The Action on Wed Feb 17, 2016 12:28 am

    SpezDispensed wrote:
    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Dzingel looked great tonight. We could really have a solid 4th line next year

    Hes not a 4th liner though.
    He's a little small but could be an interesting option for some scoring on the 3rd line that can jump on the 2nd line.
    And I mean on a healthy team.

    Really liked the speed he had. All over the ice.

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    Re: How do we fix the Senators

    Post by tim1_2 on Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:17 am

    Apparently we had scouts at the St. Louis game, and they had scouts at our game. I wonder if that has anything to do with Nick Paul getting in the lineup? Regardless, the trade winds are blowing.
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    Re: How do we fix the Senators

    Post by SeawaySensFan on Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:49 am

    tim1_2 wrote:Apparently we had scouts at the St. Louis game, and they had scouts at our game.  I wonder if that has anything to do with Nick Paul getting in the lineup?  Regardless, the trade winds are blowing.

    Jaden Schwartz is a name that keeps coming up, for whatever reason...
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    Re: How do we fix the Senators

    Post by PTFlea on Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:33 am

    Yes please
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    Re: How do we fix the Senators

    Post by dennycrane on Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:33 am

    SeawaySensFan wrote:
    tim1_2 wrote:Apparently we had scouts at the St. Louis game, and they had scouts at our game.  I wonder if that has anything to do with Nick Paul getting in the lineup?  Regardless, the trade winds are blowing.

    Jaden Schwartz is a name that keeps coming up, for whatever reason...

    St. Louis plays in Ottawa in less than two weeks. With Stastny on the third line, I wonder if they are having buyer's remorse.
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    Re: How do we fix the Senators

    Post by SeawaySensFan on Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:42 am

    dennycrane wrote:
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    tim1_2 wrote:Apparently we had scouts at the St. Louis game, and they had scouts at our game.  I wonder if that has anything to do with Nick Paul getting in the lineup?  Regardless, the trade winds are blowing.

    Jaden Schwartz is a name that keeps coming up, for whatever reason...

    St. Louis plays in Ottawa in less than two weeks. With Stastny on the third line, I wonder if they are having buyer's remorse.

    I'm sure they are. That's a big ticket for the Ottawa Sens but a LHC would be a great add.
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    Re: How do we fix the Senators

    Post by tim1_2 on Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:50 am

    Interesting. Stastny is $7M for two more seasons after this one. He's kind of like Dion, where he's a good player, but not quite worth his pricetag.
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    Re: How do we fix the Senators

    Post by PTFlea on Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:14 am

    dennycrane wrote:
    SeawaySensFan wrote:
    tim1_2 wrote:Apparently we had scouts at the St. Louis game, and they had scouts at our game.  I wonder if that has anything to do with Nick Paul getting in the lineup?  Regardless, the trade winds are blowing.

    Jaden Schwartz is a name that keeps coming up, for whatever reason...

    St. Louis plays in Ottawa in less than two weeks. With Stastny on the third line, I wonder if they are having buyer's remorse.

    That's a team that doesn't score, so he's suffering. I'd take Stastny on this team in a heartbeat in a hopefully softish deal.
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    Re: How do we fix the Senators

    Post by tim1_2 on Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:30 am

    Stastny for ZBad.
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    Post by PTFlea on Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:32 am

    tim1_2 wrote:Stastny for ZBad.

    Is that too much from us for that amount of salary?
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    Re: How do we fix the Senators

    Post by tim1_2 on Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:45 am

    SpezDispensed wrote:
    tim1_2 wrote:Stastny for ZBad.

    Is that too much from us for that amount of salary?

    It depends how you view ZBad.
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    Re: How do we fix the Senators

    Post by Oglethorpe on Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:48 am

    tim1_2 wrote:Interesting.  Stastny is $7M for two more seasons after this one.  He's kind of like Dion, where he's a good player, but not quite worth his pricetag.  
    He is 7 then 7.5 for the next two years. Big price tag for a Turris clone IMO.

    Aim higher. Once the Draft Lottery is done things will be clearer. If OTT, EDM, COL, BUF win the 1st pick it really changes the Top 6 centre dynamic.

    If OTT wins then we have Matthews, Turris, ZBad, Pageau and can wait to move either Turris or ZBad depending on development and price tag.

    If EDM wins then they have McDavid, Matthew, The Nuge, Draisaitl. So many options and with Eberle off the market Nuge and Draisaitl could both be available.

    If COL wins then they would likely go with MacKinnon and Matthews. They could move Duchesne to the wing but they are budget and they have needs elsewhere.

    If BUF wins they would have Eichel, Reinhart, Matthew and O'Reilly.

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    Re: How do we fix the Senators

    Post by tim1_2 on Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:54 am

    Oglethorpe wrote:
    tim1_2 wrote:Interesting.  Stastny is $7M for two more seasons after this one.  He's kind of like Dion, where he's a good player, but not quite worth his pricetag.  
    He is 7 then 7.5 for the next two years.   Big price tag for a Turris clone IMO.

    Aim higher.  Once the Draft Lottery is done things will be clearer.  If OTT, EDM, COL, BUF win the 1st pick it really changes the Top 6 centre dynamic.

    If OTT wins then we have Matthews, Turris, ZBad, Pageau and can wait to move either Turris or ZBad depending on development and price tag.

    If EDM wins then they have McDavid, Matthew, The Nuge, Draisaitl.  So many options and with Eberle off the market Nuge and Draisaitl could both be available.

    If COL wins then they would likely go with MacKinnon and Matthews.  They could move Duchesne to the wing but they are budget and they have needs elsewhere.

    If BUF wins they would have Eichel, Reinhart, Matthew and O'Reilly.

    Good point. But you have to have a bit of fear that Murray is still trying to salvage this season and make the playoffs....
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    Re: How do we fix the Senators

    Post by PTFlea on Wed Feb 17, 2016 11:03 am

    It's not that he's a Turris clone, it's that he's performed at ~PPG level in the NHL and has the pedigree to do it again, especially in the East. He's a talented C who doesn't (really) skimp on the 2-way play. I'd say Turris is a Stastny lite right now.

    It's a big price, but at the same time, you make the team immediately better and they're better next year and the year after. You don't trade the 1st for him, you don't trade White or Chabot for him, you offer a potpourri of things - similar to the Dion trade, and you become impactfully better.
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    Re: How do we fix the Senators

    Post by Flo The Action on Wed Feb 17, 2016 11:45 am

    SpezDispensed wrote:It's not that he's a Turris clone, it's that he's performed at ~PPG level in the NHL and has the pedigree to do it again, especially in the East.  He's a talented C who doesn't (really) skimp on the 2-way play.  I'd say Turris is a Stastny lite right now.

    It's a big price, but at the same time, you make the team immediately better and they're better next year and the year after.  You don't trade the 1st for him, you don't trade White or Chabot for him, you offer a potpourri of things - similar to the Dion trade, and you become impactfully better.
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    Ok ok... Thanks for that. But yes I think we could do worse than stastny and he is an upgrade over Zib. Might also be Backes with a new contract extention. You would dream it was Schwartz but that's not happening.
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    Re: How do we fix the Senators

    Post by TheAvatar on Wed Feb 17, 2016 11:49 am

    Flo The Action wrote:
    SpezDispensed wrote:It's not that he's a Turris clone, it's that he's performed at ~PPG level in the NHL and has the pedigree to do it again, especially in the East.  He's a talented C who doesn't (really) skimp on the 2-way play.  I'd say Turris is a Stastny lite right now.

    It's a big price, but at the same time, you make the team immediately better and they're better next year and the year after.  You don't trade the 1st for him, you don't trade White or Chabot for him, you offer a potpourri of things - similar to the Dion trade, and you become impactfully better.
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    Ok ok... Thanks for that. But yes I think we could do worse than stastny and he is an upgrade over Zib. Might also be Backes with a new contract extention. You would dream it was Schwartz but that's not happening.

    At this point, just about anything that means I won't need to watch our current brand of mediocre hockey ... please ... Wink
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    Re: How do we fix the Senators

    Post by Oglethorpe on Wed Feb 17, 2016 12:51 pm

    SpezDispensed wrote:It's not that he's a Turris clone, it's that he's performed at ~PPG level in the NHL and has the pedigree to do it again, especially in the East.  He's a talented C who doesn't (really) skimp on the 2-way play.  I'd say Turris is a Stastny lite right now.

    It's a big price, but at the same time, you make the team immediately better and they're better next year and the year after.  You don't trade the 1st for him, you don't trade White or Chabot for him, you offer a potpourri of things - similar to the Dion trade, and you become impactfully better.
    Stastny has not been close to a PPG for his last 6 seasons. I'll stand by my assessment that he is a Turris clone, and I wouldn't pay Turris 7M.

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