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16 Re: Lebreton Flats Redevelopment on Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:02 pm

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Michallica wrote:daaaaaamn melnyk's group did their homework and then some.  

Why is a 'farm boy' listed as one of the highlights in the other bid?  Beer museum sounds meh, it could be built anywhere.  Melnyk's group is more attractive but then get ready for construction for the next 20 years....

Lol -- Farmboy!  Also, an automobile museum?  In Canada?  You've got the DeLorean, that's it!  And  Brewseum is only a cool name.  

Curiously, I didn't see a cineplex mentioned in either one.  Where do people downtown go to see movies?

That's true, could use a nice one downtown. My guess is they consider lansdowne being pretty close to downtown and that's where the high-rollers need to go to get their movie fix

17 Re: Lebreton Flats Redevelopment on Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:04 pm

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Michallica wrote:Maybe below ground level is supposed to make it easier for commuters on subways to get to the arena, as opposed to congesting the traffic and crosswalks above ground?

that makes sense but is the LRT underground there?

You're right, it's not underground there between bayview and whatever station

18 Re: Lebreton Flats Redevelopment on Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:07 pm

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Michallica wrote:
Ev wrote:
Michallica wrote:Maybe below ground level is supposed to make it easier for commuters on subways to get to the arena, as opposed to congesting the traffic and crosswalks above ground?

that makes sense but is the LRT underground there?

You're right, it's not underground there between bayview and whatever station

I guess the "Montreal bidders" were thinking "Metro?"

19 Re: Lebreton Flats Redevelopment on Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:12 pm

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Michallica wrote:
Ev wrote:
Michallica wrote:Maybe below ground level is supposed to make it easier for commuters on subways to get to the arena, as opposed to congesting the traffic and crosswalks above ground?

that makes sense but is the LRT underground there?

You're right, it's not underground there between bayview and whatever station

I guess the "Montreal bidders" were thinking "Metro?"

Melnyk should piss them off by countering with a metro of their own....formerly known as Loeb

20 Re: Lebreton Flats Redevelopment on Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:17 pm

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The Sens' bid involves all Ottawa business people/architects etc and the other bid is all Montreal folks. Shouldn't that play a part in this?

It seems like the other people panicked and put in a Farm Boy to make their bid more Ottawa

21 Re: Lebreton Flats Redevelopment on Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:26 pm

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wprager wrote:The Saddledome wasn't even below ground level:


As cool as it is, what are the advantages of having it mostly underground?

The Saddledome is partially below grade. It's not unusual for arenas and stadiums.

22 Re: Lebreton Flats Redevelopment on Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:32 pm

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If you want to watch the presentations they are being streamed..

http://www.ncc-ccn.gc.ca/capital-planning/master-plans/lebreton-flats/calendar-events/lebreton-flats-redevelopment-public-con

23 Re: Lebreton Flats Redevelopment on Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:34 pm

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SeawaySensFan wrote:
wprager wrote:The Saddledome wasn't even below ground level:


As cool as it is, what are the advantages of having it mostly underground?

The Saddledome is partially below grade. It's not unusual for arenas and stadiums.

In regards to the arena being partially built underground, it’s to make sure that they don’t have a huge monstrosity of a building blocking the view of the city. They don’t want the arena to stand out.

24 Re: Lebreton Flats Redevelopment on Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:47 pm

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in regards to views, the Sens arena or building will not block views to Parliament, war museum, etc.

25 Re: Lebreton Flats Redevelopment on Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:49 pm

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Ev wrote:in regards to views, the Sens arena or building will not block views to Parliament, war museum, etc.

Parliament is up on a hill and it's not like an arena is a skyscraper to begin. The other proposal just had it with a lower profile (2-storeys above ground, whereas if the ice is at street level it's like a 5 storey building.


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26 Re: Lebreton Flats Redevelopment on Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:53 pm

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Unless you're planning on living in Lebreton Flats, none of us care about the sightlines. They're really going to have to come up with good public transit options, but that'll more up to the city than the developers.

27 Re: Lebreton Flats Redevelopment on Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:58 pm

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tim1_2 wrote:Unless you're planning on living in Lebreton Flats, none of us care about the sightlines.  They're really going to have to come up with good public transit options, but that'll more up to the city than the developers.

The NCC cares about the sightlines. And I think the public transit plans already exist and the building plans factor them in. But we'll see, right?

28 Re: Lebreton Flats Redevelopment on Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:59 pm

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tim1_2 wrote:Unless you're planning on living in Lebreton Flats, none of us care about the sightlines.  They're really going to have to come up with good public transit options, but that'll more up to the city than the developers.

they already did, it's called LRT

29 Re: Lebreton Flats Redevelopment on Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:06 pm

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LRT doesn't serve the whole city.

Anyway, here's more on the Sens bid:

http://illuminationlebreton.ca/

30 Re: Lebreton Flats Redevelopment on Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:16 pm

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http://www.ncc-ccn.gc.ca/sites/defau...16_english.pdf

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http://www.ncc-ccn.gc.ca/sites/defau...ebreton-bi.pdf

31 Re: Lebreton Flats Redevelopment on Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:18 pm

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tim1_2 wrote:LRT doesn't serve the whole city.

Anyway, here's more on the Sens bid:

http://illuminationlebreton.ca/
You lost me on transit options. LRT goes to both ends of the area. The western end is where Melnyk's arena will go and that is where LRT and O-Train meet.

32 Re: Lebreton Flats Redevelopment on Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:22 pm

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tim1_2 wrote:Unless you're planning on living in Lebreton Flats, none of us care about the sightlines.  They're really going to have to come up with good public transit options, but that'll more up to the city than the developers.

Another bridge or two (and none of these dinky 1-2 lane bridges, either) would help. 500 parking spaces allocated to the arena is not going to work. Montrealers may be used to taking the bus or metro to the games, but Ottowans will take a while to adapt. Transporting 18,000 to and from was always a huge obstacle in my opinion. I have not seen a solution to that yet. Even if LRT is the answer, that only resolves traffic from the East and South, it does nothing for the North or West. They want to increase the ticketholder base by expanding into Aylmer -- sure, it's not as far as Kanata, but it's still a pain to use the existing routes. And people from Kanata -- the existing ticket holders -- will likely just stay home.

I see where Melnyk wants to go to -- clearly my having fewer seats, stating he wants it to be an event and so on -- translation is "Higher ticket prices". Seriously, it's about time, since they are the lowest tickets in Canada, for a city that is one of the most affluent.


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33 Re: Lebreton Flats Redevelopment on Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:25 pm

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Oglethorpe wrote:
tim1_2 wrote:LRT doesn't serve the whole city.

Anyway, here's more on the Sens bid:

http://illuminationlebreton.ca/
You lost me on transit options.   LRT goes to both ends of the area.  The western end is where Melnyk's arena will go and that is where LRT and O-Train meet.

There is no LRT in the West. Whose Koolaid have you been drinking?


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