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556 Re: Deadline moves. on Mon Feb 29, 2016 7:31 pm

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dennycrane wrote:PW46 - a healthy scratch D on arguably the worst defensive team in the NHL. Isn't the question why would I trade for this guy?

A lot of deadline players are like trash you put out at a garage sale.
Well to be fair we had a very questionable D past the first pairing and nothing was working.
On a team with good D depth that is hard to play against who knows if he couldn't turn it around. He needs a solid D partner.

In many ways he is the left-hand version of Ceci; he would be fine playing on a pairing with a right-handed Phaneuf or Methot.

Oh Walt... Laugh1

557 Re: Deadline moves. on Mon Feb 29, 2016 7:32 pm

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SpezDispensed wrote:How the hell did Vancouver not trade Vrbata or Hamhuis?  Are they insane?

NMC for Hamhuis. He wanted to go out West or to only a small handful of teams in the East. He can still go out West in the summer.

558 Re: Deadline moves. on Mon Feb 29, 2016 7:34 pm

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SpezDispensed wrote:
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dennycrane wrote:PW46 - a healthy scratch D on arguably the worst defensive team in the NHL. Isn't the question why would I trade for this guy?

A lot of deadline players are like trash you put out at a garage sale.
Well to be fair we had a very questionable D past the first pairing and nothing was working.
On a team with good D depth that is hard to play against who knows if he couldn't turn it around. He needs a solid D partner.

In many ways he is the left-hand version of Ceci; he would be fine playing on a pairing with a right-handed Phaneuf or Methot.

Oh Walt... Laugh1

I'm perfectly serious. He won't be playing for the Senators because there's no way he gets $2.7M, but when he's not signed someone will come sniffing around and sign him for under $1M and he'll be fine.

559 Re: Deadline moves. on Mon Feb 29, 2016 7:34 pm

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wprager wrote:
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dennycrane wrote:PW46 - a healthy scratch D on arguably the worst defensive team in the NHL. Isn't the question why would I trade for this guy?

A lot of deadline players are like trash you put out at a garage sale.

...but NO value at all?  Not a 5th, not a 6th?  Nothing?  Because we're not qualifying him for 2.7 million or whatever it is this summer, so we just let a UFA walk for all intensive purposes.

Oh well..

Couldn't a Pirri for Wiercioch have worked...??...

Problem is the contract was back loaded so his QO had to be $2.7M.  He will be signed as a UFA next season for less than that.

Can the sens still sign Weircioch as UFA if they don't qualify him? I know chances are pretty minuscule at that point but just wondering if the CBA even allows it or not.

560 Re: Deadline moves. on Mon Feb 29, 2016 7:36 pm

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Michallica wrote:
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dennycrane wrote:PW46 - a healthy scratch D on arguably the worst defensive team in the NHL. Isn't the question why would I trade for this guy?

A lot of deadline players are like trash you put out at a garage sale.

...but NO value at all?  Not a 5th, not a 6th?  Nothing?  Because we're not qualifying him for 2.7 million or whatever it is this summer, so we just let a UFA walk for all intensive purposes.

Oh well..

Couldn't a Pirri for Wiercioch have worked...??...

Problem is the contract was back loaded so his QO had to be $2.7M.  He will be signed as a UFA next season for less than that.

Can the sens still sign Weircioch as UFA if they don't qualify him?  I know chances are pretty minuscule at that point but just wondering if the CBA even allows it or not.

Pretty sure that's not allowed.

Edit: But can't find anything confirming it. In any case, if the team doesn't qualify you you'd be a fool to re-sign with them.


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561 Re: Deadline moves. on Mon Feb 29, 2016 7:48 pm

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spader wrote:FWIW, Prince (basically) was a 3rd rounder. Just saying. He was drafted 61st.

There's obviously more to the Prince story. I'm assuming that those reports we got last year that he had entitlement and attitude issues were true.

According to this:


Less than a third of 3rd round picks become NHLers.  My apologies for pointing to a graphic from a Yost article, but it's the first thing that came up in the search.  Not exactly sure what "become NHLers" means, but it likely means playing a minimum number of games.  If Prince is not there yet he's probably pretty close.  His playing was certainly good enough to play third-line minutes.

If you take *three* third round picks, then there is a very good chance that one of them will turn out into a player like Prince in about 4-5 years' time.  And it's not like Prince was making a ton of money.  Sure, you can probably get a 4th liner for close to league minimum and save as much as $175K but, let's face it, that's peanuts, and, as said earlier, Prince played well enough to get 3rd line minutes (certainly brought more than Chiasson, who makes more).
Dude. Those odds drastically change depending on which team does the drafting.

562 Re: Deadline moves. on Mon Feb 29, 2016 7:55 pm

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This or does show preference to players showing grit at the detriment of skilled players getting shots. If you listen to Cameron it seems to be his style. Yeah its great to have grit and character but no way do I want a rookie grinder on the third line over Puempel or prince.

563 Re: Deadline moves. on Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:07 pm

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So Calgary shipped Jones for Backstrom from the wild. He hasn't played a game this year. I guess he'll have two jobs for the flames. Goaltending and driving the tank bus! All the way into the bottom 3!

564 Re: Deadline moves. on Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:23 pm

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Flo The Action wrote:So Calgary shipped Jones for Backstrom from the wild. He hasn't played a game this year. I guess he'll have two jobs for the flames. Goaltending and driving the tank bus! All the way into the bottom 3!

Oh, he's driving the tank alright.

565 Re: Deadline moves. on Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:25 pm

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Flo The Action wrote:This or does show preference to players showing grit at the detriment of skilled players getting shots. If you listen to Cameron it seems to be his style. Yeah its great to have grit and character but no way do I want a rookie grinder on the third line over Puempel or prince.
Cameron was perfectly content playing Puempel, he just didn't like Prince's game.

566 Re: Deadline moves. on Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:06 pm

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Flo The Action wrote:
wprager wrote:
spader wrote:FWIW, Prince (basically) was a 3rd rounder. Just saying. He was drafted 61st.

There's obviously more to the Prince story. I'm assuming that those reports we got last year that he had entitlement and attitude issues were true.

According to this:


Less than a third of 3rd round picks become NHLers.  My apologies for pointing to a graphic from a Yost article, but it's the first thing that came up in the search.  Not exactly sure what "become NHLers" means, but it likely means playing a minimum number of games.  If Prince is not there yet he's probably pretty close.  His playing was certainly good enough to play third-line minutes.

If you take *three* third round picks, then there is a very good chance that one of them will turn out into a player like Prince in about 4-5 years' time.  And it's not like Prince was making a ton of money.  Sure, you can probably get a 4th liner for close to league minimum and save as much as $175K but, let's face it, that's peanuts, and, as said earlier, Prince played well enough to get 3rd line minutes (certainly brought more than Chiasson, who makes more).
Dude. Those odds drastically change depending on which team does the drafting.

Without looking it up, I'd be surprised if the Sens were any better than the average.

Let's go 10 years to 2005 and then check the 3rd rounders of the next five drafts:

2005: Vitaly Anikeenko (draft was held in Ottawa; the "splash" was Brian Lee in the first)
2006: Erik Gryba, Kaspars Daugavins (I'll give you Gryba; I loved Daug but his NHL stint was too short to call him an NHLer)
2007: Louie Caporusso
2008: Zack Smith
2009: nothing (but their pick went to Nashville who drafted Taylor Beck?)

OK, so Gryba and Smith. 2 out of 5, 40%. Inconclusive. Let's do another couple.

2010: Jakob Culek

In 2011 their pick went to Columbus who took T.J. Tynan. I wouldn't look at anything later since it hasn't been 5 years since those drafts. So, ignoring the picks that went to other clubs, 2 out of 6 became NHLers.

If I go further back we'd get even more of Muckler's Russian picks, I think.


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567 Re: Deadline moves. on Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:30 pm

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wprager wrote:
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wprager wrote:
spader wrote:FWIW, Prince (basically) was a 3rd rounder. Just saying. He was drafted 61st.

There's obviously more to the Prince story. I'm assuming that those reports we got last year that he had entitlement and attitude issues were true.

According to this:


Less than a third of 3rd round picks become NHLers.  My apologies for pointing to a graphic from a Yost article, but it's the first thing that came up in the search.  Not exactly sure what "become NHLers" means, but it likely means playing a minimum number of games.  If Prince is not there yet he's probably pretty close.  His playing was certainly good enough to play third-line minutes.

If you take *three* third round picks, then there is a very good chance that one of them will turn out into a player like Prince in about 4-5 years' time.  And it's not like Prince was making a ton of money.  Sure, you can probably get a 4th liner for close to league minimum and save as much as $175K but, let's face it, that's peanuts, and, as said earlier, Prince played well enough to get 3rd line minutes (certainly brought more than Chiasson, who makes more).
Dude. Those odds drastically change depending on which team does the drafting.

Without looking it up, I'd be surprised if the Sens were any better than the average.

Let's go 10 years to 2005 and then check the 3rd rounders of the next five drafts:

2005: Vitaly Anikeenko (draft was held in Ottawa; the "splash" was Brian Lee in the first)
2006: Erik Gryba, Kaspars Daugavins (I'll give you Gryba; I loved Daug but his NHL stint was too short to call him an NHLer)
2007: Louie Caporusso
2008: Zack Smith
2009: nothing (but their pick went to Nashville who drafted Taylor Beck?)

OK, so Gryba and Smith.  2 out of 5, 40%.  Inconclusive.  Let's do another couple.

2010: Jakob Culek

In 2011 their pick went to Columbus who took T.J. Tynan.  I wouldn't look at anything later since it hasn't been 5 years since those drafts.  So, ignoring the picks that went to other clubs, 2 out of 6 became NHLers.

If I go further back we'd get even more of Muckler's Russian picks, I think.
you went back too far. You should of only evaluated it under the Murray leadership since that is under this regime.

568 Re: Deadline moves. on Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:34 pm

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Flo The Action wrote:This or does show preference to players showing grit at the detriment of skilled players getting shots. If you listen to Cameron it seems to be his style. Yeah its great to have grit and character but no way do I want a rookie grinder on the third line over Puempel or prince.
Cameron was perfectly content playing Puempel, he just didn't like Prince's game.
He preferred having dziuzinsky over puempel.

569 Re: Deadline moves. on Tue Mar 01, 2016 8:47 am

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Biggest loser? Vancouver?

I find it weird Tampa didn't do anything, but I guess Stevie Y can be pretty stubborn.

570 Re: Deadline moves. on Tue Mar 01, 2016 8:49 am

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tim1_2 wrote:Biggest loser?  Vancouver?

I find it weird Tampa didn't do anything, but I guess Stevie Y can be pretty stubborn.

Stevie Y is the biggest genius of any GM ever, according to many experts.

571 Re: Deadline moves. on Tue Mar 01, 2016 8:59 am

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Yzerman is pretty much my favourite player ever. Up until recently, I thought he was doing a good job as Tampa's GM, but now with the Drouin thing and Stamkos thing, I just don't know. I guess I'll have to withhold judgement until the summer some time.

If Tampa wins the Cup, cool.

If they don't, then why didn't he improve his team towards the deadline, when he had a chip he could've played (Drouin)?

If they lose Stamkos for nothing and don't win the Cup, well, that's an epic failure.

572 Re: Deadline moves. on Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:06 am

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tim1_2 wrote:Yzerman is pretty much my favourite player ever.  Up until recently, I thought he was doing a good job as Tampa's GM, but now with the Drouin thing and Stamkos thing, I just don't know.  I guess I'll have to withhold judgement until the summer some time.  

If Tampa wins the Cup, cool.  

If they don't, then why didn't he improve his team towards the deadline, when he had a chip he could've played (Drouin)?

If they lose Stamkos for nothing and don't win the Cup, well, that's an epic failure.  


He couldn't have been that anxious to add for the stretch if he did nothing. There were deals to be made, I'm sure. Maybe he alienated the league's GMs like he seems to have done with his players?

573 Re: Deadline moves. on Tue Mar 01, 2016 10:21 am

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tim1_2 wrote:Yzerman is pretty much my favourite player ever.  Up until recently, I thought he was doing a good job as Tampa's GM, but now with the Drouin thing and Stamkos thing, I just don't know.  I guess I'll have to withhold judgement until the summer some time.  

If Tampa wins the Cup, cool.  

If they don't, then why didn't he improve his team towards the deadline, when he had a chip he could've played (Drouin)?

If they lose Stamkos for nothing and don't win the Cup, well, that's an epic failure.  

I thought the same thing. They needed to make a few moves to take a run at the East, even if Washington's the better team, anything can happen. Pretty bad deadline day for TB.

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