GAME DAY #61: Senators @ Oilers - 9:00 pm - Tuesday, Feb 23 2016

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    Re: GAME DAY #61: Senators @ Oilers - 9:00 pm - Tuesday, Feb 23 2016

    Post by Flo The Action on Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:10 pm

    yeah. i think you have to gauge what interest there is for smith. personally i'd prefer moving him so that we can see what the kids can do. i'm not i really worry about making the playoffs this year. i think it will be a real tough go to make it and if we did we'd likely not make a dent. but i would admit that trading smith now isn't sending an amazing message to the dressing room. there is no way i see a situation where smith is with the sens past the summer. you want to move him in the best possible deal. especially if he can be packaged. Ogle is right, i don't see a world where we would extend him a raise and worst case scenario he's having a career year and we have him in the line-up taking someone more deserving spot. how does anyone not see a fourth line with nick paul and lazar and neil? smith is not a winger on this team long term. no way. plus whith white coming in and likely another LW with macarthur coming back next year you tell me where smith fits in?where?

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    Re: GAME DAY #61: Senators @ Oilers - 9:00 pm - Tuesday, Feb 23 2016

    Post by wprager on Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:33 pm

    SpezDispensed wrote:
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    SpezDispensed wrote:Lookin good right now.  Lazar just feeling it right now, smith too obviously

    Haha. Here we go again with Lazar.

    He's been good.   Can't you admit it?   So has Ceci.  

    Ceci has benefited greatly from the addition of Phaneuf. As most of us, here, predicted.

    Lazar has been playing with more confidence, of late. But over the whole season I don't think he has shown very much until recently.

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    Re: GAME DAY #61: Senators @ Oilers - 9:00 pm - Tuesday, Feb 23 2016

    Post by Hoff-Machine on Wed Feb 24, 2016 2:29 pm

    LeCaptain wrote:Trading Smith is ridiculously stupid. You need to think harder if you think that is a good idea.

    It wasn't stupid earlier when the sens were free falling in the standings, losing to columbus and what not. What if we lose the next two games? At some point you throw in the towel and realize what happened last season isn't going to happen again, but now's not the time.

    Either way, 15 goals is a big accomplishment. You're now getting to the point that keeping him is better than trading him unless it's something you can't refuse. His value at this point wouldn't diminish even in the off season if he does need to be traded.
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    Re: GAME DAY #61: Senators @ Oilers - 9:00 pm - Tuesday, Feb 23 2016

    Post by spader on Wed Feb 24, 2016 2:32 pm

    wprager wrote:The way Smith is going right now trading him at the deadline would likely affect the room in a very negative way.  Only way that happens is if they lose ground in the next couple of games and not get any closer.  Right now they are not "sellers"; not quite sure they are "buyers" either, but still.

    No, the time to move him will be in the off-season after he's scored 20 goals and, hopefully, also produced something in a playoff series.

    An upgrade is never going to have a negative impact on the room, IMO. If they moved Smith in a package for an obvious upgrade, I think that would send a positive message.
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    Re: GAME DAY #61: Senators @ Oilers - 9:00 pm - Tuesday, Feb 23 2016

    Post by SeawaySensFan on Wed Feb 24, 2016 2:51 pm

    spader wrote:
    wprager wrote:The way Smith is going right now trading him at the deadline would likely affect the room in a very negative way.  Only way that happens is if they lose ground in the next couple of games and not get any closer.  Right now they are not "sellers"; not quite sure they are "buyers" either, but still.

    No, the time to move him will be in the off-season after he's scored 20 goals and, hopefully, also produced something in a playoff series.

    An upgrade is never going to have a negative impact on the room, IMO. If they moved Smith in a package for an obvious upgrade, I think that would send a positive message.

    Murray emphatically said that Smith is going nowhere only minutes ago...
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    Post by tim1_2 on Wed Feb 24, 2016 3:02 pm

    Well that's that!
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    Re: GAME DAY #61: Senators @ Oilers - 9:00 pm - Tuesday, Feb 23 2016

    Post by wprager on Wed Feb 24, 2016 4:33 pm

    spader wrote:
    wprager wrote:The way Smith is going right now trading him at the deadline would likely affect the room in a very negative way.  Only way that happens is if they lose ground in the next couple of games and not get any closer.  Right now they are not "sellers"; not quite sure they are "buyers" either, but still.

    No, the time to move him will be in the off-season after he's scored 20 goals and, hopefully, also produced something in a playoff series.

    An upgrade is never going to have a negative impact on the room, IMO. If they moved Smith in a package for an obvious upgrade, I think that would send a positive message.

    We were talking about how Smith could bring in a 2nd rounder. You don't upgrade on the 4th line, you move out players with $2M+ salaries to make room for your prospects.


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    Re: GAME DAY #61: Senators @ Oilers - 9:00 pm - Tuesday, Feb 23 2016

    Post by spader on Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:15 pm

    wprager wrote:
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    wprager wrote:The way Smith is going right now trading him at the deadline would likely affect the room in a very negative way.  Only way that happens is if they lose ground in the next couple of games and not get any closer.  Right now they are not "sellers"; not quite sure they are "buyers" either, but still.

    No, the time to move him will be in the off-season after he's scored 20 goals and, hopefully, also produced something in a playoff series.

    An upgrade is never going to have a negative impact on the room, IMO. If they moved Smith in a package for an obvious upgrade, I think that would send a positive message.

    We were talking about how Smith could bring in a 2nd rounder.  You don't upgrade on the 4th line, you move out players with $2M+ salaries to make room for your prospects.

    Ah. I thought we were talking about using him in a package, which is all that makes sense to me if they're trading him right now.
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    Re: GAME DAY #61: Senators @ Oilers - 9:00 pm - Tuesday, Feb 23 2016

    Post by wprager on Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:49 am

    spader wrote:
    wprager wrote:
    spader wrote:
    wprager wrote:The way Smith is going right now trading him at the deadline would likely affect the room in a very negative way.  Only way that happens is if they lose ground in the next couple of games and not get any closer.  Right now they are not "sellers"; not quite sure they are "buyers" either, but still.

    No, the time to move him will be in the off-season after he's scored 20 goals and, hopefully, also produced something in a playoff series.

    An upgrade is never going to have a negative impact on the room, IMO. If they moved Smith in a package for an obvious upgrade, I think that would send a positive message.

    We were talking about how Smith could bring in a 2nd rounder.  You don't upgrade on the 4th line, you move out players with $2M+ salaries to make room for your prospects.

    Ah. I thought we were talking about using him in a package, which is all that makes sense to me if they're trading him right now.

    Another goal last night. He'd definitely fetch a 2nd rounder now (maybe even a first if Chicago hadn't already made all of their moves -- but that's likely to be a 25-30 pick anyway). Of course where they are now he's not being moved at the deadline. He still might go at the draft.


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    Re: GAME DAY #61: Senators @ Oilers - 9:00 pm - Tuesday, Feb 23 2016

    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Sun Feb 28, 2016 12:18 pm

    You have to consider the depth chart. Hoff could be on his way out and mac is a huge question mark. I wouldn't trade Smith. Worst case you have a really good 4th line and carry neil as the extra forward.

    I'd rather move hoff for a legit LW
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    Re: GAME DAY #61: Senators @ Oilers - 9:00 pm - Tuesday, Feb 23 2016

    Post by Flo The Action on Sun Feb 28, 2016 12:30 pm

    Whenever you can make a good move to trade smith you do it. I don't see how he ever reaches a better value than now.he is not a goal scoring machine and will likely regress in future Years. The problem is he'll be getting a raise. One that is hard to swallow for a guy likely to be on the fourth line. He'll end up being an anchor for this gem if resigned. Mark my words.
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    Re: GAME DAY #61: Senators @ Oilers - 9:00 pm - Tuesday, Feb 23 2016

    Post by wprager on Sun Feb 28, 2016 1:22 pm

    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:You have to consider the depth chart. Hoff could be on his way out and mac is a huge question mark. I wouldn't trade Smith. Worst case you have a really good 4th line and carry neil as the extra forward.

    I'd rather move hoff for a legit LW

    Drouin shoots left. But completely unproven. Eriksson is another leftie, though.


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    Re: GAME DAY #61: Senators @ Oilers - 9:00 pm - Tuesday, Feb 23 2016

    Post by wprager on Sun Feb 28, 2016 1:23 pm

    Flo The Action wrote:Whenever you can make a good move to trade smith you do it. I don't see how he ever reaches a better value than now.he is not a goal scoring machine and will likely regress in future Years. The problem is he'll be getting a raise. One that is hard to swallow for a guy likely to be on the fourth line. He'll end up being an anchor for this gem if resigned. Mark my words.

    It will be really hard to move him now because they are still in a playoff race. I also don't think his value will dip between the deadline and draft day because of his past playoff "success".


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    Re: GAME DAY #61: Senators @ Oilers - 9:00 pm - Tuesday, Feb 23 2016

    Post by Flo The Action on Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:22 pm

    wprager wrote:
    Flo The Action wrote:Whenever you can make a good move to trade smith you do it. I don't see how he ever reaches a better value than now.he is not a goal scoring machine and will likely regress in future Years. The problem is he'll be getting a raise. One that is hard to swallow for a guy likely to be on the fourth line. He'll end up being an anchor for this gem if resigned. Mark my words.

    It will be really hard to move him now because they are still in a playoff race.  I also don't think his value will dip between the deadline and draft day because of his past playoff "success".

    Then I would move him at the draft. You don't start the year with smith.
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    Re: GAME DAY #61: Senators @ Oilers - 9:00 pm - Tuesday, Feb 23 2016

    Post by wprager on Mon Feb 29, 2016 9:49 am

    Flo The Action wrote:
    wprager wrote:
    Flo The Action wrote:Whenever you can make a good move to trade smith you do it. I don't see how he ever reaches a better value than now.he is not a goal scoring machine and will likely regress in future Years. The problem is he'll be getting a raise. One that is hard to swallow for a guy likely to be on the fourth line. He'll end up being an anchor for this gem if resigned. Mark my words.

    It will be really hard to move him now because they are still in a playoff race.  I also don't think his value will dip between the deadline and draft day because of his past playoff "success".

    Then I would move him at the draft. You don't start the year with smith.

    Agreed. I doubt he can sustain his current scoring (and "doubt" is nowhere near strong-enough) pace so his best place is still as the 4C. We have plenty of 3/4C candidates, and if we can parlay Smith+Wiercioch+Pick+ into some left-side scoring help that would be best for the team, going forward.


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