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GAME DAY #67: Stars @ Senators - 5:00 pm - Sunday, March 6 2016

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Flo The Action


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SpezDispensed wrote:Ok, I don't want to win one more game all year please.  
That's sad. But I understand where this comes from.

Winning is good for a young team but this team has lacked the drive to win all season. Such a travesty because we have such good pieces.

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Well that's gonna finally end our hopes. I'm thankful they kept it interesting, it was a solid game but what a heart breaker after that lazar goal got called back. But that's how it goes: we didn't deserve to win yesterday, and we deserved to win today.

Ironic actually that two coach's challenges really did us in: this one, and then the one against vancouver that was still allowed to stand and paved the way for the loss that night.

You got 15 games to now see what's really in the system. And it's make or break time for both Hoffman and Zibanejad.

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Flo The Action wrote:
SpezDispensed wrote:Ok, I don't want to win one more game all year please.  
That's sad. But I understand where this comes from.

Winning is good for a young team but this team has lacked the drive to win all season. Such a travesty because we have such good pieces.

I wish our winning last season meant good things for the future but taking a step back is a real kick in the pants. Honestly don't know if winning down the stretch now does much for development and growth. Columbus won like crazy late last year and everyone thought they were a shoo-in for the playoffs this year.

Honestly, I just hope they're competitive going forth, and for that I think we need to let the kids play more.

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Tough loss for the Ottawa Sens. Let's run the table for the rest of the year and see where we land!

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Flo The Action wrote:
SpezDispensed wrote:Ok, I don't want to win one more game all year please.  
That's sad. But I understand where this comes from.

Winning is good for a young team but this team has lacked the drive to win all season. Such a travesty because we have such good pieces.

Take the pain and get the highest pick possible. Could be a hell of a player for 20 games of pain.

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Was at the game. Spezza really had a great game for Dallas. Bobby Ryan was good too but was saddled with Gomez and Dzingel. What a waste of a player and such a telling statement that Gomez is the best center you can find for Bobby Ryan. Dzingel isn't bad but he is no more than a 4th liner.

What Dallas did was essentially double-cover Ryan and Hoffman. They were both saddled with inferior linemates. Bad coaching.

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The Smith penalty that gave Spezza his PP goal was absolute horse Dung. Brutal call. And then the offside on Lazar's goal. Just bad luck and that's that. Turris finds ways to make his linemates better, but it seems he's the only one on the team capable of doing that.

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I actually think Gomez is good. Slick passer, good playmaker. I've been relatively impressed.

But yeah, we need to upgrade zibanejad this off season.

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tim1_2 wrote:The Smith penalty that gave Spezza his PP goal was absolute horse Dung. Brutal call. And then the offside on Lazar's goal. Just bad luck and that's that. Turris finds ways to make his linemates better, but it seems he's the only one on the team capable of doing that.

How about the non-calls against Dallas in the last minutes. Robbery I tells ya!!!

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dennycrane wrote:Was at the game. Spezza really had a great game for Dallas. Bobby Ryan was good too but was saddled with Gomez and Dzingel. What a waste of a player and such a telling statement that Gomez is the best center you can find for Bobby Ryan. Dzingel isn't bad but he is no more than a 4th liner.

What Dallas did was essentially double-cover Ryan and Hoffman. They were both saddled with inferior linemates. Bad coaching.

I disagree. I thought Gomez was an excellent centre for Ryan because of his playmaking. Also thought Hoffman should have been scratched for the game. He was terrible again yesterday and cost us a couple of goals or chances.

Spezza was only noticeable on the pp i found

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Not saying I think Gomez will be an option for next season though.

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Poor effort level from Hoff, I was quite disappointed with him.

Zbad just doesn't seem to have the hockey sense you would like to see, although his effort level was good.

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Ev wrote:
dennycrane wrote:Was at the game. Spezza really had a great game for Dallas. Bobby Ryan was good too but was saddled with Gomez and Dzingel. What a waste of a player and such a telling statement that Gomez is the best center you can find for Bobby Ryan. Dzingel isn't bad but he is no more than a 4th liner.

What Dallas did was essentially double-cover Ryan and Hoffman. They were both saddled with inferior linemates. Bad coaching.

I disagree. I thought Gomez was an excellent centre for Ryan because of his playmaking. Also thought Hoffman should have been scratched for the game. He was terrible again yesterday and cost us a couple of goals or chances.

Spezza was only noticeable on the pp i found

Only 7 players in the entire league have more even-strength goals over the last two seasons than Hoffman. I would bet none of those players are defensive stalwarts, placed on the 4th line, sat out for an entire period of a game you are trailing, not seeing regular PP time.

I'm not saying Hoffman should get a pass, I'm not saying we should not be trying to get every one to buy in on solid defensive play, I am not saying any of this. But what I am saying is that Dave Cameron is not getting the message through -- it's not just Hoffman. Cameron doesn't say anything about Borowiecki who regularly leaves his partner all alone while he tries to go for a huge hit. I love what Borowiecki brings but he is far from perfect. He has caused just as many turnovers from being *BAD* at handling the puck as Hoffman has simply by being so good that he does it so much of the time. Boro has created probably *more* scoring chances against by being out of position than Hoffman has (big difference, of course, is that at least he gets a lick in on someone, whereas Hoffman is just not in the right place).

But the bottom line in all of this is that this isn't all on Hoffman. Ryan has not bee very good for quite a while. Zibanejad has been not very good for quite a while. Lazar has made plenty of mistakes but, hey, he's just a kid. All those callups have made tons of mistakes. Chiasson has been horrawful for the last two years. Wiercioch and Cowen sucked! Wideman has made mistakes. Karlsson -- OMG, he has made some horrible plays. You can go up and down the lineup and, with very few exceptions, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of Hockey, but it seems Hoffman is the only being singled out by Cameron.

And that is just bad coaching.


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Oglethorpe wrote:Poor effort level from Hoff, I was quite disappointed with him.  

Zbad just doesn't seem to have the hockey sense you would like to see, although his effort level was good.  

Poor effort from a lot of players. Most of them nowhere near 43 goals over the last two seasons.


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I get it. I really do. We want 43 goals from Hoffman but we also want more when he doesn't have the puck. We are not asking him to be a heavy hitter but maybe finish a check now and again and not always do a fly-by. And go ahead and be creative when carrying the puck but just not when you are the last guy back, and not when you are crossing the blue lines. And make sure that you either have the puck, or are looking to get in a scoring zone when one of your team mates has the puck, or that you cover one of the other team's players when they have possession.

I get all that. We want him to be a better player.

But, surely, there is a way to deliver that message in a clear, constructive way that doesn't appear like you are taking sides and being biased?


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I am beginning to suspect that Dave Cameron is a terrible communicator. Or maybe just a terrible motivator. Or maybe just a terrible coach.


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wprager wrote:I am beginning to suspect that Dave Cameron is a terrible communicator.  Or maybe just a terrible motivator.  Or maybe just a terrible coach.

Not sure what anyone was expecting, Cameron wasn't very good in the few years he was HC in Binghamton. He's like Craig Hartsburg, can only coach teenagers.

That's what happens when the owner chooses the coach.

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Big topic is having kostka/wideman and Gomez on at the end of the game and then the GWG is scored.  You probably need a more aggressive approach when you're fighting for your playoff lives and every point matters.  To play so well and not even get a single point is such a travesty.  I remember a game in the cup finals run where bryan murray didn't play his 4th line (mcammond's line) a single shift in the game

Our special teams just absolutely sucks donkey balls.  I don't care if they 'looked good', they're piss poor in terms of actual results and in my mind is the single biggest reason we're so far on the outside

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