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wprager wrote:Karlsson needs to mature a little, for sure.  His divorce and subsequent dating of a girl who looks like a high-priced escort didn't exactly make it look like he was growing up.  

That's a pretty Cussed up comment. You're judging her based on looks but she actually works and does a lot of community stuff.

Ev wrote:

wprager wrote:Karlsson needs to mature a little, for sure.  His divorce and subsequent dating of a girl who looks like a high-priced escort didn't exactly make it look like he was growing up.  

That's a pretty Cussed up comment. You're judging her based on looks but she actually works and does a lot of community stuff.  

Whether she does that stuff or not, judging her on her looks is stupid. Even worse is judging him based on her looks.

Also, judging someone's maturity based on the fact that he has a divorce (especially when you don't actually know any of the details that led to divorce) is stupid.

You're making stupid judgements like these and he's the one who needs to grow up?

You're right, I'm being judgmental. But Karlsson made a commitment to his long-time girlfriend when he married her "for better or for worse" and then he broke that commitment by screwing around. She did not leave him, he cheated on her. And I'm sorry, but Melinda does not have to show off her cleavage, it's not necessary. She looks every bit the "trophy wife". Did what happened in Karlsson's personal life affect his ability on the ice? No, of course not. But (IMO) it is a bit of an indictment on his character.

Very informative read, here:

http://ottawacitizen.com/sports/hockey/nhl/senatorsextra/clarke-macarthur-opens-up-about-his-gruelling-battle-with-concussions

"Zbad" is actually a pretty stupid nickname.

wprager wrote:You're right, I'm being judgmental.  But Karlsson made a commitment to his long-time girlfriend when he married her "for better or for worse" and then he broke that commitment by screwing around.  She did not leave him, he cheated on her.  And I'm sorry, but Melinda does not have to show off her cleavage, it's not necessary. She looks every bit the "trophy wife".  Did what happened in Karlsson's personal life affect his ability on the ice?  No, of course not.  But (IMO) it is a bit of an indictment on his character.

fyp

SeawaySensFan wrote:"Zbad" is actually a pretty stupid nickname.

I don't disagree. But it's better than calling him "Zibby" as all know. Mikachu is still the best.

Ev wrote:Karlsson is obviously not a great leader. He's very cocky and egotistical. I hear countless stories of how he acts like he's better than everybody else when he's out at the bars and whatnot. I'm not saying to get rid of him but we need another veteran star who can take charge. Actually I think we're fine with Phaneuf and Ryan and Turris there

I think phaneuf changed that a lot, but we need one more highly skilled forward to complete the puzzle, then perhaps some depth next deadline depending on where we're seated.

Still really believe that a high skilled, veteran forward would make as much difference as phaneuf has and will next year.

If Eriksson wants 4 years, then you go for it. 6-6.5 x 4 and you're feeling pretty good about the team imo

I'm clearly in the minority, but I'm LOLing hard at prag's comments

spader wrote:

wprager wrote:You're right, I'm being judgmental.  But Karlsson made a commitment to his long-time girlfriend when he married her "for better or for worse" and then he broke that commitment by screwing around.  She did not leave him, he cheated on her.  And I'm sorry, but Melinda does not have to show off her cleavage, it's not necessary. She looks every bit the "trophy wife".  Did what happened in Karlsson's personal life affect his ability on the ice?  No, of course not.  But (IMO) it is a bit of an indictment on his character.

fyp

marriage fail. that's just the reality. i wouldn't harp on karlsson for any of his personal life. i'd probably taking advantage of my popularity if i was him as well and wouldn't kick pretty girls out of my bed for leaving crums either in those situation. pretty senseless to pull the high moral card.

but yes, he does seem to lack a bit of maturity and i wouldn't be surprised if his ego doesn't fit through the door. i'm not surprised as countless media are calling him the best hockey player in the world. does it mean that he can't improve? no. he's got areas of his game he could definitely improve. i don't think he's setting the best example on the ice. but that comes with asking him to play so many minutes and conserving his energy.
all and all i hope they can lower his minutes next year so he can focus on being the most energetic upbeat player on the ice. then we can get a vet who can be the vocal leader in the dressing room.

spader wrote:

Ev wrote:

wprager wrote:Karlsson needs to mature a little, for sure.  His divorce and subsequent dating of a girl who looks like a high-priced escort didn't exactly make it look like he was growing up.  

That's a pretty Cussed up comment. You're judging her based on looks but she actually works and does a lot of community stuff.  

Whether she does that stuff or not, judging her on her looks is stupid. Even worse is judging him based on her looks.

Also, judging someone's maturity based on the fact that he has a divorce (especially when you don't actually know any of the details that led to divorce) is stupid.

You're making stupid judgements like these and he's the one who needs to grow up?

Well apparently he cheated on the wife so there's that

Michallica wrote:I'm clearly in the minority, but I'm LOLing hard at prag's comments

Same but still wrong lol

Flo The Action wrote:

spader wrote:

wprager wrote:You're right, I'm being judgmental.  But Karlsson made a commitment to his long-time girlfriend when he married her "for better or for worse" and then he broke that commitment by screwing around.  She did not leave him, he cheated on her.  And I'm sorry, but Melinda does not have to show off her cleavage, it's not necessary. She looks every bit the "trophy wife".  Did what happened in Karlsson's personal life affect his ability on the ice?  No, of course not.  But (IMO) it is a bit of an indictment on his character.

fyp

marriage fail. that's just the reality. i wouldn't harp on karlsson for any of his personal life. i'd probably taking advantage of my popularity if i was him as well and wouldn't kick pretty girls out of my bed for leaving crums either in those situation. pretty senseless to pull the high moral card.

but yes, he does seem to lack a bit of maturity and i wouldn't be surprised if his ego doesn't fit through the door. i'm not surprised as countless media are calling him the best hockey player in the world. does it mean that he can't improve? no. he's got areas of his game he could definitely improve. i don't think he's setting the best example on the ice. but that comes with asking him to play so many minutes and conserving his energy.
all and all i hope they can lower his minutes next year so he can focus on being the most energetic upbeat player on the ice. then we can get a vet who can be the vocal leader in the dressing room.

I don't think I've seen any media calling him the best hockey player in the world. The actual answer is Crosby but lots of ppl are saying Kane because of his one great year

Ev wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

spader wrote:

wprager wrote:You're right, I'm being judgmental.  But Karlsson made a commitment to his long-time girlfriend when he married her "for better or for worse" and then he broke that commitment by screwing around.  She did not leave him, he cheated on her.  And I'm sorry, but Melinda does not have to show off her cleavage, it's not necessary. She looks every bit the "trophy wife".  Did what happened in Karlsson's personal life affect his ability on the ice?  No, of course not.  But (IMO) it is a bit of an indictment on his character.

fyp

marriage fail. that's just the reality. i wouldn't harp on karlsson for any of his personal life. i'd probably taking advantage of my popularity if i was him as well and wouldn't kick pretty girls out of my bed for leaving crums either in those situation. pretty senseless to pull the high moral card.

but yes, he does seem to lack a bit of maturity and i wouldn't be surprised if his ego doesn't fit through the door. i'm not surprised as countless media are calling him the best hockey player in the world. does it mean that he can't improve? no. he's got areas of his game he could definitely improve. i don't think he's setting the best example on the ice. but that comes with asking him to play so many minutes and conserving his energy.
all and all i hope they can lower his minutes next year so he can focus on being the most energetic upbeat player on the ice. then we can get a vet who can be the vocal leader in the dressing room.

I don't think I've seen any media calling him the best hockey player in the world. The actual answer is Crosby but lots of ppl are saying Kane because of his one great year

It seems the dialogue is switching around a bit this year. I heard bob Mckenzie say it in an interview and a few others are echoing it. It used to be the best dman but the dialogue has been switching to best player. It's probably partly because of the records he's probably passing since Bobby Orr but there's definitely a buzz about it this year.

Yes. marriages fail, but that doesn't mean they should. Heatley makes a commitment by signing a long-term contract, then something happens and he wants out. We label him a traitor, quitter, lowlife, no-character and so on. When you make a *life-long* commitment to a partner to love and to hold, for better or worse, forsaking all others, till death do us part, in front of witnesses -- well, shouldn't that be at least as important as signing a contract for a fraction of your life? And when that trust and promise is broken, should you not be held up to the same criticism that Heatley was?

wprager wrote:Yes. marriages fail, but that doesn't mean they should.  Heatley makes a commitment by signing a long-term contract, then something happens and he wants out.  We label him a traitor, quitter, lowlife, no-character and so on.  When you make a *life-long* commitment to a partner to love and to hold, for better or worse, forsaking all others, till death do us part, in front of witnesses -- well, shouldn't that be at least as important as signing a contract for a fraction of your life?  And when that trust and promise is broken, should you not be held up to the same criticism that Heatley was?

Judge not lest ye be judged.

Oglethorpe wrote:

wprager wrote:Yes. marriages fail, but that doesn't mean they should.  Heatley makes a commitment by signing a long-term contract, then something happens and he wants out.  We label him a traitor, quitter, lowlife, no-character and so on.  When you make a *life-long* commitment to a partner to love and to hold, for better or worse, forsaking all others, till death do us part, in front of witnesses -- well, shouldn't that be at least as important as signing a contract for a fraction of your life?  And when that trust and promise is broken, should you not be held up to the same criticism that Heatley was?

Judge not lest ye be judged.

Yep. Guilty as charged. Never said I was perfect.