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    Post by wprager on Thu May 19, 2016 11:38 am

    SpezDispensed wrote:No matter what happens, you MUST bring in a veteran D-man for the third pairing.  It's a must.

    In the previous post you have "Boro - ???" and then Wideman as the 7th, so I assume the "MUST" here is a RHD. So you are saying Wideman is good enough to represent his country but not good enough to play on the third pairing?

    I'd much rather see Boro's time reduced than Wideman's.

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    OK, I guess Wideman has to go.

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    wprager wrote:
    SpezDispensed wrote:No matter what happens, you MUST bring in a veteran D-man for the third pairing.  It's a must.

    In the previous post you have "Boro - ???" and then Wideman as the 7th, so I assume the "MUST" here is a RHD.  So you are saying Wideman is good enough to represent his country but not good enough to play on the third pairing?

    I'd much rather see Boro's time reduced than Wideman's.

    Doesn't matter which side you get. I'd be looking at a righty personally. I like Boro and his toughness a lot.

    Boro can 'play' both sides anyway.
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    Post by wprager on Thu May 19, 2016 12:09 pm

    No, he really cannot. You may admire his toughness but he is not very good playing the left side, and worse playing the right. I put up with him because it's just the third pairing and he does bring an element of toughness the Sens need. But with a healthy Michalek and replacing Wiericoch with Phaneuf, we are a lot tougher than we used to be. Wouldn't mind getting a little tougher up-front, of course, but we no-longer rely on Boro for that as much as in the past.


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    And I guess that's still the main reason that Neil continue to get ice time. Too many "sweethearts" up front.


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    Post by PTFlea on Thu May 19, 2016 12:25 pm

    wprager wrote:No, he really cannot.  You may admire his toughness but he is not very good playing the left side, and worse playing the right.  I put up with him because it's just the third pairing and he does bring an element of toughness the Sens need.  But with a healthy Michalek and replacing Wiericoch with Phaneuf, we are a lot tougher than we used to be.  Wouldn't mind getting a little tougher up-front, of course, but we no-longer rely on Boro for that as much as in the past.

    Where do you get that Boro isn't very good on the left side? He's just fine, he's a stay at home, crease clearing D-man who plays a simple, but sturdy game. Absolutely perfect for the 3rd pairing.
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    Post by Flo The Action on Thu May 19, 2016 12:35 pm

    SpezDispensed wrote:
    wprager wrote:No, he really cannot.  You may admire his toughness but he is not very good playing the left side, and worse playing the right.  I put up with him because it's just the third pairing and he does bring an element of toughness the Sens need.  But with a healthy Michalek and replacing Wiericoch with Phaneuf, we are a lot tougher than we used to be.  Wouldn't mind getting a little tougher up-front, of course, but we no-longer rely on Boro for that as much as in the past.

    Where do you get that Boro isn't very good on the left side?  He's just fine, he's a stay at home, crease clearing D-man who plays a simple, but sturdy game.  Absolutely perfect for the 3rd pairing.
    C'mon bro. He's not a perfect 3rd pairing guy. All too often he focuses on the hit which leads to situation where we could of retaken possession. He's 'alright' but if we could get an upgrade maybe we should.
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    Post by Flo The Action on Thu May 19, 2016 12:38 pm

    wprager wrote:No, he really cannot.  You may admire his toughness but he is not very good playing the left side, and worse playing the right.  I put up with him because it's just the third pairing and he does bring an element of toughness the Sens need.  But with a healthy Michalek and replacing Wiericoch with Phaneuf, we are a lot tougher than we used to be.  Wouldn't mind getting a little tougher up-front, of course, but we no-longer rely on Boro for that as much as in the past.

    Have you eaten breakfast today? Maybe you need a snickers. You mentioned michalek when I think you meant MacArthur and up in an early post you mentioned clouston when I think you mean cameron.

    Also did you suggest puempel on the RW? He's a LW. I think it was prince that played both sides.

    Have a snickers. Sarcasm
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    Post by Flo The Action on Thu May 19, 2016 12:41 pm

    Hoags wrote:Smith isn't a 20+ goal scorer, his shooting percentage literally doubled.

    They should trade him while his value is high imo.
    Finally. I was starting to believe I was the only one to think this.

    To be fair I think every GM in the NHL is probably aware that his shot % is 20%. I'm not sure he has as much value as we hope he would but I agree. We should look at trading him so we can get some value back because unfortunately he will command a raise likely between 2 and 3 mill on his next contract and might revert back to being a player that somewhat disappears . So yes. Maybe Edmonton might be interested. Bundle up something together for one of their players.
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    Post by Flo The Action on Thu May 19, 2016 12:43 pm

    SpezDispensed wrote:I still don't see this 'roster shake-up' that Dorion promised.

    Realistically, I'd imagine the lineup looking like this:

    MacArthur - Turris - Ryan
    Hoffman - Zibanejad - ????
    Smith - Pageau - Stone
    Dzingel - Paul - Lazar
    Extras Neil and Puempel - hopefully Chiasson diddles off

    If they cheap out and do absolutely nothing to the forward ranks, then move Stone up and Lazar up and insert Neil.

    Defence:

    Methot - Karlsson
    Phaneuf - Ceci
    Borowiecki - ???
    Wideman

    Anderson
    Hammond
    I see the lines a little differently.
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    MacArthur -Zib - stone
    I know stone was good with pageau but you can't actually expect him to play on the third line.
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    Post by PTFlea on Thu May 19, 2016 12:54 pm

    Flo The Action wrote:
    SpezDispensed wrote:
    wprager wrote:No, he really cannot.  You may admire his toughness but he is not very good playing the left side, and worse playing the right.  I put up with him because it's just the third pairing and he does bring an element of toughness the Sens need.  But with a healthy Michalek and replacing Wiericoch with Phaneuf, we are a lot tougher than we used to be.  Wouldn't mind getting a little tougher up-front, of course, but we no-longer rely on Boro for that as much as in the past.

    Where do you get that Boro isn't very good on the left side?  He's just fine, he's a stay at home, crease clearing D-man who plays a simple, but sturdy game.  Absolutely perfect for the 3rd pairing.
    C'mon bro. He's not a perfect 3rd pairing guy. All too often he focuses on the hit which leads to situation where we could of retaken possession. He's 'alright' but if we could get an upgrade maybe we should.

    I disagree. He's a solid player. If he goes for the big hit too much under Le Chiffre, then he'll be taught not to, but as a 3rd pairing guy, who better than a homegrown (literally) player who is tough as nails, hits like a Mac truck, clears the crease, can fight and will fight for teammates, works his arse off. Everything you want from your role players.
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    Post by PTFlea on Thu May 19, 2016 12:55 pm

    Flo The Action wrote:
    SpezDispensed wrote:I still don't see this 'roster shake-up' that Dorion promised.

    Realistically, I'd imagine the lineup looking like this:

    MacArthur - Turris - Ryan
    Hoffman - Zibanejad - ????
    Smith - Pageau - Stone
    Dzingel - Paul - Lazar
    Extras Neil and Puempel - hopefully Chiasson diddles off

    If they cheap out and do absolutely nothing to the forward ranks, then move Stone up and Lazar up and insert Neil.

    Defence:

    Methot - Karlsson
    Phaneuf - Ceci
    Borowiecki - ???
    Wideman

    Anderson
    Hammond
    I see the lines a little differently.
    Hoffman-turris-ryan
    MacArthur -Zib - stone
    I know stone was good with pageau but you can't actually expect him to play on the third line.

    Either Stone, Ryan or a free agent/trade must play on Pageau's line. You can't load up your top 6, teams can defend that too well. Then if there are injuries, Stone moves up, but he can be a dynamic player with Pageau and Smith IMO - and they'll get the ice time too.
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    Post by PTFlea on Thu May 19, 2016 1:04 pm

    I can't wait to see Perron in pre-season and the AHL. The kid is gonna be so good...
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    Post by Flo The Action on Thu May 19, 2016 1:09 pm

    SpezDispensed wrote:
    Flo The Action wrote:
    SpezDispensed wrote:I still don't see this 'roster shake-up' that Dorion promised.

    Realistically, I'd imagine the lineup looking like this:

    MacArthur - Turris - Ryan
    Hoffman - Zibanejad - ????
    Smith - Pageau - Stone
    Dzingel - Paul - Lazar
    Extras Neil and Puempel - hopefully Chiasson diddles off

    If they cheap out and do absolutely nothing to the forward ranks, then move Stone up and Lazar up and insert Neil.

    Defence:

    Methot - Karlsson
    Phaneuf - Ceci
    Borowiecki - ???
    Wideman

    Anderson
    Hammond
    I see the lines a little differently.
    Hoffman-turris-ryan
    MacArthur -Zib - stone
    I know stone was good with pageau but you can't actually expect him to play on the third line.

    Either Stone, Ryan or a free agent/trade must play on Pageau's line.  You can't load up your top 6, teams can defend that too well.  Then if there are injuries, Stone moves up, but he can be a dynamic player with Pageau and Smith IMO - and they'll get the ice time too.
    I kind of hope smith is traded.

    I think we could have an interesting 3rd line with puempel pageau and ericksson. Or MacArthur pageau and Paul, Or someone we trade for. Either way I don't see the third line looking anything the way it does now.

    Feels like the org is leaning toward keeping Chiasson maybe. Tough to see where he slides in. Dzingel lazar Chiasson/Neil on the 4rth line?
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    Post by PTFlea on Thu May 19, 2016 1:14 pm

    Flo The Action wrote:
    SpezDispensed wrote:
    Flo The Action wrote:
    SpezDispensed wrote:I still don't see this 'roster shake-up' that Dorion promised.

    Realistically, I'd imagine the lineup looking like this:

    MacArthur - Turris - Ryan
    Hoffman - Zibanejad - ????
    Smith - Pageau - Stone
    Dzingel - Paul - Lazar
    Extras Neil and Puempel - hopefully Chiasson diddles off

    If they cheap out and do absolutely nothing to the forward ranks, then move Stone up and Lazar up and insert Neil.

    Defence:

    Methot - Karlsson
    Phaneuf - Ceci
    Borowiecki - ???
    Wideman

    Anderson
    Hammond
    I see the lines a little differently.
    Hoffman-turris-ryan
    MacArthur -Zib - stone
    I know stone was good with pageau but you can't actually expect him to play on the third line.

    Either Stone, Ryan or a free agent/trade must play on Pageau's line.  You can't load up your top 6, teams can defend that too well.  Then if there are injuries, Stone moves up, but he can be a dynamic player with Pageau and Smith IMO - and they'll get the ice time too.
    I kind of hope smith is traded.

    I think we could have an interesting 3rd line with puempel pageau and ericksson. Or MacArthur pageau and Paul, Or someone we trade for. Either way I don't see the third line looking anything the way it does now.

    Feels like the org is leaning toward keeping Chiasson maybe. Tough to see where he slides in. Dzingel lazar Chiasson/Neil on the 4rth line?

    I think I'd put Dzingel on the 3rd line before Puempel.
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    Post by Flo The Action on Thu May 19, 2016 1:22 pm

    SpezDispensed wrote:
    Flo The Action wrote:
    SpezDispensed wrote:
    Flo The Action wrote:
    SpezDispensed wrote:I still don't see this 'roster shake-up' that Dorion promised.

    Realistically, I'd imagine the lineup looking like this:

    MacArthur - Turris - Ryan
    Hoffman - Zibanejad - ????
    Smith - Pageau - Stone
    Dzingel - Paul - Lazar
    Extras Neil and Puempel - hopefully Chiasson diddles off

    If they cheap out and do absolutely nothing to the forward ranks, then move Stone up and Lazar up and insert Neil.

    Defence:

    Methot - Karlsson
    Phaneuf - Ceci
    Borowiecki - ???
    Wideman

    Anderson
    Hammond
    I see the lines a little differently.
    Hoffman-turris-ryan
    MacArthur -Zib - stone
    I know stone was good with pageau but you can't actually expect him to play on the third line.

    Either Stone, Ryan or a free agent/trade must play on Pageau's line.  You can't load up your top 6, teams can defend that too well.  Then if there are injuries, Stone moves up, but he can be a dynamic player with Pageau and Smith IMO - and they'll get the ice time too.
    I kind of hope smith is traded.

    I think we could have an interesting 3rd line with puempel pageau and ericksson. Or MacArthur pageau and Paul, Or someone we trade for. Either way I don't see the third line looking anything the way it does now.

    Feels like the org is leaning toward keeping Chiasson maybe. Tough to see where he slides in. Dzingel lazar Chiasson/Neil on the 4rth line?

    I think I'd put Dzingel on the 3rd line before Puempel.  
    Well when it all shakes out I think we will see a new name on the team's bottom 2 lines. Dorion has gone on record stating that he wants to add someone there. Who? No clue. Hopefully someone that could possibly play too 6 also. If anything has worried me about Dorion it's that he wants to upgrade the bottom lines when I still see a huge hole on the LW in the top two lines.

    But he could be talking about chiasson's spot.
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    Post by PTFlea on Thu May 19, 2016 2:04 pm

    I don't understand the point in bringing Chiasson back. He's not as good as Dzingel, Paul or Lazar, he's probably on par with McCormick and Puempel's about to lap him too. Not to mention we'll want to see a few games from Perron. I just don't see a fit.
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    Post by Flo The Action on Thu May 19, 2016 2:33 pm

    SpezDispensed wrote:I don't understand the point in bringing Chiasson back.  He's not as good as Dzingel, Paul or Lazar, he's probably on par with McCormick and Puempel's about to lap him too.  Not to mention we'll want to see a few games from Perron.  I just don't see a fit.
    It is questionable. Maybe there is hope they can trade him? Maybe they think guy can get him going?

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