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    Post by SeawaySensFan on Fri Jul 29, 2016 12:01 pm

    Ev wrote:
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    Ev wrote:
    wprager wrote:Has there been a Cup champion in the last few years who didn't have either a top-3 from a good draft or some very fortunate picks/trades?  

    Pittsburgh: Crosby(1st), Malkin(2nd), Fleury(1st)
    Chicago: Kane, Toews
    LA: Doughty(2nd), Gaborik(2nd)
    Boston: Horton(3rd), Sequin(2nd)

    Boston is a bit of a stretch since Seguin didn't play that much for them (but did contribute) and wasn't Horton injured and not really a top player by then?

    Anyhow, the Sens simply haven't been *really* bad for a long time.  Their last 1st overall was the recently retired Chris Phillips (not a good draft year).

    we have Bobby Ryan at #2 and Kyle Turris at #3.

    So all we need is a late-blooming Vezina-winning goalie and a 6'9" Norris winner.  Mind you, the Bruins went out and got Chara as a UFA, which is the one things that we have not done (and, no, $5M for Kovalev and whatever we paid for Gonchar doesn't count).

    All I'm saying is, you were saying look at these teams who won they cup, they all had Top 3 picks in their lineup. Well, so do we, and we didn't have to lose to do it.

    Having said that, "Tank for Yak" was a great idea.

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    Post by Ev on Fri Jul 29, 2016 12:45 pm

    ""This year I'm coming into training camp with a little bit of arrogance and a business-like approach. I'm still going to be the smiley, happy-go-lucky guy but when that puck drops I'm not going to be stopped. I'm going to do whatever it takes to get the job done."

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    Post by Flo The Action on Fri Jul 29, 2016 1:15 pm

    SeawaySensFan wrote:
    Ev wrote:
    wprager wrote:
    Ev wrote:
    wprager wrote:Has there been a Cup champion in the last few years who didn't have either a top-3 from a good draft or some very fortunate picks/trades?  

    Pittsburgh: Crosby(1st), Malkin(2nd), Fleury(1st)
    Chicago: Kane, Toews
    LA: Doughty(2nd), Gaborik(2nd)
    Boston: Horton(3rd), Sequin(2nd)

    Boston is a bit of a stretch since Seguin didn't play that much for them (but did contribute) and wasn't Horton injured and not really a top player by then?

    Anyhow, the Sens simply haven't been *really* bad for a long time.  Their last 1st overall was the recently retired Chris Phillips (not a good draft year).

    we have Bobby Ryan at #2 and Kyle Turris at #3.

    So all we need is a late-blooming Vezina-winning goalie and a 6'9" Norris winner.  Mind you, the Bruins went out and got Chara as a UFA, which is the one things that we have not done (and, no, $5M for Kovalev and whatever we paid for Gonchar doesn't count).

    All I'm saying is, you were saying look at these teams who won they cup, they all had Top 3 picks in their lineup. Well, so do we, and we didn't have to lose to do it.

    Having said that, "Tank for Yak" was a great idea.
    I believe the saying was "fail for Nail" and yes that pretty Much blew up in edmonton's face. Nice to see that 1st overall picks can still bust expectations and it's nice that it happened to Edmonton. Now if it could just happen to Toronto...
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    Post by wprager on Fri Jul 29, 2016 1:46 pm

    SeawaySensFan wrote:
    Having said that, "Tank for Yak" was a great idea.

    First, it was 'Fail for Nail' and, second, the teams that sucked had to do it for many years. Up here, in Ottawa, if we did that then we would soon be cheering on Karlsson hoisting the Cup in a Seattle Senators jersey. So we have to strive for mediocrity until the planets align and we have a shot at contention by simply adding a 'Hudler' type player.


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    Post by wprager on Fri Jul 29, 2016 1:46 pm

    Ev wrote:""This year I'm coming into training camp with a little bit of arrogance and a business-like approach. I'm still going to be the smiley, happy-go-lucky guy but when that puck drops I'm not going to be stopped. I'm going to do whatever it takes to get the job done."

    Lazar ready for a big season.

    Where's that from?


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    Post by wprager on Fri Jul 29, 2016 1:47 pm

    Flo The Action wrote:
    I believe the saying was "fail for Nail" and yes that pretty Much blew up in edmonton's face. Nice to see that 1st overall picks can still bust expectations and it's nice that it happened to Edmonton. Now if it could just happen to Toronto...

    Oh, it will. Not in ways anyone is expecting, but it will.


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    Post by Hoff-Machine on Fri Jul 29, 2016 2:48 pm


    That was rough...condolences to Bobby. This must have been weighing on him for quite some time.
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    Post by Hoff-Machine on Fri Jul 29, 2016 2:48 pm

    Ev wrote:
    wprager wrote:Has there been a Cup champion in the last few years who didn't have either a top-3 from a good draft or some very fortunate picks/trades?  

    Pittsburgh: Crosby(1st), Malkin(2nd), Fleury(1st)
    Chicago: Kane, Toews
    LA: Doughty(2nd), Gaborik(2nd)
    Boston: Horton(3rd), Sequin(2nd)

    Boston is a bit of a stretch since Seguin didn't play that much for them (but did contribute) and wasn't Horton injured and not really a top player by then?

    Anyhow, the Sens simply haven't been *really* bad for a long time.  Their last 1st overall was the recently retired Chris Phillips (not a good draft year).

    we have Bobby Ryan at #2 and Kyle Turris at #3.

    Was just coming to say that....
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    Post by PTFlea on Fri Jul 29, 2016 3:12 pm

    Ev wrote:
    wprager wrote:
    Ev wrote:
    wprager wrote:Has there been a Cup champion in the last few years who didn't have either a top-3 from a good draft or some very fortunate picks/trades?  

    Pittsburgh: Crosby(1st), Malkin(2nd), Fleury(1st)
    Chicago: Kane, Toews
    LA: Doughty(2nd), Gaborik(2nd)
    Boston: Horton(3rd), Sequin(2nd)

    Boston is a bit of a stretch since Seguin didn't play that much for them (but did contribute) and wasn't Horton injured and not really a top player by then?

    Anyhow, the Sens simply haven't been *really* bad for a long time.  Their last 1st overall was the recently retired Chris Phillips (not a good draft year).

    we have Bobby Ryan at #2 and Kyle Turris at #3.

    So all we need is a late-blooming Vezina-winning goalie and a 6'9" Norris winner.  Mind you, the Bruins went out and got Chara as a UFA, which is the one things that we have not done (and, no, $5M for Kovalev and whatever we paid for Gonchar doesn't count).

    All I'm saying is, you were saying look at these teams who won they cup, they all had Top 3 picks in their lineup. Well, so do we, and we didn't have to lose to do it.

    We also have Brassard, a 6th OV and Karlsson that would have been a 1st OV.
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    Post by wprager on Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:35 pm

    Hoffside wrote:

    That was rough...condolences to Bobby.  This must have been weighing on him for quite some time.

    From his earlier tweet is sounded like it came very quickly, but not necessarily suddenly. Don't know if that makes sense. I wonder if she'd been battling some health issues and that's been weighing on him. Getting married, having a kid, losing your mother -- all in quick succession. The highs and the lows. Really hoping he has a rebound year, dedicate it to his mother.


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    Post by wprager on Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:44 pm

    All of those high picks we have we got from teams that no-longer wanted them, for one reason or another. Not that I'm unhappy with Turris, but he did not progress like Phoenix expected him to. He was actually rated as the top NA skater by Central Scouting (Kane went 1st overall -- wonder what happened).

    Anyway, I'm talking about a player of a higher calibre than either Turris or Brassard. Ryan *used to be* that player but, again, we got him from a team whose GM said he couldn't spell intensity.

    I like Bobby, I think he is a much better player than his stats (with the Sens) have shown so far. But, again, he really hasn't been that game breaker here.


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    Post by wprager on Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:57 pm

    wprager wrote:
    Ev wrote:""This year I'm coming into training camp with a little bit of arrogance and a business-like approach. I'm still going to be the smiley, happy-go-lucky guy but when that puck drops I'm not going to be stopped. I'm going to do whatever it takes to get the job done."

    Lazar ready for a big season.

    Where's that from?

    Thanks for answering Facepalm

    http://senators.nhl.com/club/blogpost.htm?id=47324

    He also talks about Pokemon Go.


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    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Sun Jul 31, 2016 12:05 pm

    wprager wrote:All of those high picks we have we got from teams that no-longer wanted them, for one reason or another.  Not that I'm unhappy with Turris, but he did not progress like Phoenix expected him to.  He was actually rated as the top NA skater by Central Scouting (Kane went 1st overall -- wonder what happened).

    Anyway, I'm talking about a player of a higher calibre than either Turris or Brassard.  Ryan *used to be* that player but, again, we got him from a team whose GM said he couldn't spell intensity.

    I like Bobby, I think he is a much better player than his stats (with the Sens) have shown so far.  But, again, he really hasn't been that game breaker here.

    I'm not too worried. With a better center he'll put up more points this year.

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    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Sun Jul 31, 2016 12:07 pm

    Correct me if I am wrong too but Ryan mostly played on the LW in Anaheim? Perhaps we see some sort of Ryan-Brassard-Stone combo at some point in the year

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    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Sun Jul 31, 2016 12:11 pm

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    Post by Ev on Sun Jul 31, 2016 12:49 pm

    Naw he won't play LW. He doesn't like it.
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    Post by wprager on Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:37 pm

    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
    wprager wrote:All of those high picks we have we got from teams that no-longer wanted them, for one reason or another.  Not that I'm unhappy with Turris, but he did not progress like Phoenix expected him to.  He was actually rated as the top NA skater by Central Scouting (Kane went 1st overall -- wonder what happened).

    Anyway, I'm talking about a player of a higher calibre than either Turris or Brassard.  Ryan *used to be* that player but, again, we got him from a team whose GM said he couldn't spell intensity.

    I like Bobby, I think he is a much better player than his stats (with the Sens) have shown so far.  But, again, he really hasn't been that game breaker here.

    I'm not too worried. With a better center he'll put up more points this year.

    There's no doubt Brassard is a better set-up man than Zibanejad. He is also a left-handed center. So, yeah, I think he's poised for a much better season than the last two. Might want to get better gloves as well, as he's been playing through a broken finger in each of the last two seasons.

    I'd like to see Hoffman with Turris and Stone. Both righties. We could have a legitimate 40 goal threat. Then a second line with Brassard/Ryan and MacArthur.

    So, Hoffman with 40-ish and Turris/Stone combining for another 50, a total of 90 goals for the top line. Ryan back to 30, plus 40 between MacArthur and Brassard for another 70. Add 40 more for the third line of Smith-Pageau-Lazar, 20 for Karlsson and 20 more between Ceci and Phaneuf. 240 goals. Add another 20 for the 4th line (maybe a stretch) and 10 more for the remaining D-men and that's 270 goals. Am I overly optimistic? Most likely -- last season the Sens had 230 (so nearly a 0.5 goals/game increase) and Dallas led the league with 265.

    If Turris had stayed healthy, with MacArthur in the lineup, and Phaneuf here for the full season, that 230 would certainly have been higher. 270 is a stretch, for sure, but another 7 goals last season would have put us top-five, and that's definitely achievable.


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    Post by wprager on Mon Aug 01, 2016 8:25 am

    Did Hoffman really get 13 points in his last 13 games last season? I thought he was supposed to have dropped off down the stretch.


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