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wprager


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Flo The Action wrote:
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Flo The Action wrote:Hard to believe there wasn't a market for vermette anywhere. I can't imagine he's done playing. Would be a good 3c on many teams.

Vermette to the Ducks for 2 @$1.75M.


Nice add. He's still got something left in the tank.
I would of preferred vermette over Kelly any day of the week

Kelly is half the salary and half the term. Vermette is not better than Turris or Brassard. He is close to Pageau but Pageau may continue to improve while Vermette is likely to continue to decline. So not really much of an upgrade on the 3rd line. So, yes, Vermette would be an upgrade over Lazar or Paul as the 4th line center but that's the spot where you want your young players to learn the game, so getting a veteran who won't mind playing just 30-40 games is the move you make.

You can't just compare Kelly to Vermette because they fill different roles.

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wprager wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:
spader wrote:
wprager wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:Hard to believe there wasn't a market for vermette anywhere. I can't imagine he's done playing. Would be a good 3c on many teams.

Vermette to the Ducks for 2 @$1.75M.


Nice add. He's still got something left in the tank.
I would of preferred vermette over Kelly any day of the week

Kelly is half the salary and half the term.  Vermette is not better than Turris or Brassard.  He is close to Pageau but Pageau may continue to improve while Vermette is likely to continue to decline.  So not really much of an upgrade on the 3rd line.  So, yes, Vermette would be an upgrade over Lazar or Paul as the 4th line center but that's the spot where you want your young players to learn the game, so getting a veteran who won't mind playing just 30-40 games is the move you make.

You can't just compare Kelly to Vermette  because they fill different roles.
Vermette can play the wing also.

wprager


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True. But so can Kelly. We have Hoffman, MacArthur, Smith as the top-9 left wingers, with Dzingel and Puempel fighting it out for the 4th line. Then we have Kelly and Paul, who both can play the wing. If MacArthur can't play at his previous level then, yes, Vermette would be an upgrade over Kelly.

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wprager wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:
spader wrote:
wprager wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:Hard to believe there wasn't a market for vermette anywhere. I can't imagine he's done playing. Would be a good 3c on many teams.

Vermette to the Ducks for 2 @$1.75M.


Nice add. He's still got something left in the tank.
I would of preferred vermette over Kelly any day of the week

Kelly is half the salary and half the term.
 Vermette is not better than Turris or Brassard.  He is close to Pageau but Pageau may continue to improve while Vermette is likely to continue to decline.  So not really much of an upgrade on the 3rd line.  So, yes, Vermette would be an upgrade over Lazar or Paul as the 4th line center but that's the spot where you want your young players to learn the game, so getting a veteran who won't mind playing just 30-40 games is the move you make.

You can't just compare Kelly to Vermette  because they fill different roles.

Aaaaaand... half the player!

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So, good deal then? In terms of the almighty cost per point analysis we've all heard so much about from our savior Melnyk.


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Cap'n Clutch wrote:So, good deal then?  In terms of the almighty cost per point analysis we've all heard so much about from our savior Melnyk.

I dunno. PTFlea?

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I will refrain from making any comment about the hashtagbudget.

wprager

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SeawaySensFan wrote:
wprager wrote:

Kelly is half the salary and half the term.
 Vermette is not better than Turris or Brassard.  He is close to Pageau but Pageau may continue to improve while Vermette is likely to continue to decline.  So not really much of an upgrade on the 3rd line.  So, yes, Vermette would be an upgrade over Lazar or Paul as the 4th line center but that's the spot where you want your young players to learn the game, so getting a veteran who won't mind playing just 30-40 games is the move you make.

You can't just compare Kelly to Vermette  because they fill different roles.

Aaaaaand... half the player!

Which means he's double the value (twice 2x is 4x, so 2x the player for 4x the cost is 0.5x the value because math).


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wprager

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Monahan 7 yr @ $6.375M.


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wprager

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Monahan: 237 games, 80 goals, 79 assists -- 0.67 PPG.
Turris (since coming to Ottawa): 269 games, 75 goals, 106 assists -- 0.67 PPG.

And if you take away those games he payed on one leg the numbers would be even better.


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wprager wrote:Monahan 7 yr @ $6.375M.

Nice add for The Flames.

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Seems like the flames could have bridge dealer him.

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Flo The Action wrote:Seems like the flames could have bridge dealer him.

He had "no leverage" right? Like The Cecer!

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SeawaySensFan wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:Seems like the flames could have bridge dealer him.

He had "no leverage" right? Like The Cecer!

His leverage is the fact that he is the team's #1 center. Ceci is a 2nd pairing defenseman.


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wprager wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:Seems like the flames could have bridge dealer him.

He had "no leverage" right? Like The Cecer!

His leverage is the fact that he is the team's #1 center.  Ceci is a 2nd pairing defenseman.

Just waiting for The Cecer to agree with you.

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Jimmy Vesey, hobey baker winner and former prospect for nashville signs with the NYR after 7 teams wined and dined him.

It was already a foregone conclusion that he would be signing with Toronto. Sucks for them but at least they didn't give up a 3rd rounder like Tim Murray for his rights.

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I don't like the rags but I'm kind of happy that neither the Toronto or Boston are getting them as both their fab base have been challenged annoying about being sure shots as landing spots. Diddle em'

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Vesey is a third round pick. Gaudreau was also a Hobey Baker winner and went in the 4th round. But those are rare. Typical HB winners (Eichel being atypical):
- Drew Leblanc (2013 winner, undrafted)
- Jack Connolly (2012, undrafted)
- Andy Miele (2011, undrafted)
- Blake Geoffrion (2010, 3rd round, out of hockey)
- Matt Gilroy (2009, undrafted, KHL)
- Kevin Porter (2008, 4th round, 4th liner)

Of course there are winners who made it in the NHL but they are few and far between. Most of them are either 3-4th round picks or go undrafted. Not saying he's going to be a bust but the chances of him being the next Johhny Gaudreau are practically zero.

I often wonder why teams spend so much effort wooing these players (undrafted or unsigned). I guess spending a day "wining and dining" them is a lot cheaper than developing them for 3-4 years in the AHL.


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