Ottawa acquires Mike Condon for a 5th

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    Post by wprager on Wed Nov 02, 2016 6:57 pm

    I think this gives Anderson flexibility to take off for a coupe days here and there. Condon was pretty good the first time Price went down; beat Ottawa once and lost in OT another time. Then when Price went down for good the team folded. It wasn't all Condon's fault. The team was not scoring.

    Anyhow, he is not here to replace Anderson but to give him flexibility. Will we go into some games With Hammond/Condon? Yeah, probably. Maybe by that time Boucher's system will be firmly entrenched and you won't need superhuman goaltending to win a game here and there.

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    Post by wprager on Wed Nov 02, 2016 6:59 pm

    Before the season's over they may trade him for another 5th rounder, if not better.

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    Re: Ottawa acquires Mike Condon for a 5th

    Post by SeawaySensFan on Wed Nov 02, 2016 9:39 pm

    PTFlea wrote:...from Pittsburgh according to Bobby Mac.

    Might as well make a new thread for a transaction, no matter how small.

    Threadworthy.
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    Re: Ottawa acquires Mike Condon for a 5th

    Post by spader on Thu Nov 03, 2016 5:02 pm

    Flo The Action wrote:
    MarkStone wrote:
    Flo The Action wrote:Urghhhh. Smells of desperation. Every jabs fan is laughing their asses off. He's the rebound king.
    This ain't gonna end well.

    You can't be serious. they traded for a backup goalie to come in every now and then when needed.

    Are you serious? I can't believe you are.
    Because he's a crappy goalie and that 5th could be better utilized? I seriously wonder if driedger wouldn't be better suited. How is trading for a crappy back up a good idea?

    I honestly can't imagine a better utilization of a 5th rounder than to get an NHL ready backup who can step in and provide stability at a time when the starter is out, backup is out, the team doesn't want to roll with the entire AHL goalie tandem (neither of whom seem ready), and the team is in a playoff spot early on. This is precisely what I want them to use 5th on. I mean, a stable presence at a time like this is almost invaluable. Rather than let the AHL team rot under Greenham and whoever they sign in a hurry, PD made a smart move. This will provide Anderson some assurances so that he can be where he's most needed and it doesn't take a chainsaw to every level of goaltending in the Sens system. And no, I don't think Condon is a world beater, but at league minimum salary he's really the only available option for a budget team like this. Pavelec and Fleury are way too expensive, have term, would create havoc with the budget, and would be MUCH more expensive to get. And then we'd probably end up losing one for nothing in the draft.

    So, in short, getting a stable presence is much more valuable than a pick that has about a 15% shot of making the league 5 years down the road. He's the stablest presence available at those dollars.
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    Re: Ottawa acquires Mike Condon for a 5th

    Post by Flo The Action on Thu Nov 03, 2016 5:27 pm

    spader wrote:
    Flo The Action wrote:
    MarkStone wrote:
    Flo The Action wrote:Urghhhh. Smells of desperation. Every jabs fan is laughing their asses off. He's the rebound king.
    This ain't gonna end well.

    You can't be serious. they traded for a backup goalie to come in every now and then when needed.

    Are you serious? I can't believe you are.
    Because he's a crappy goalie and that 5th could be better utilized? I seriously wonder if driedger wouldn't be better suited. How is trading for a crappy back up a good idea?

    I honestly can't imagine a better utilization of a 5th rounder than to get an NHL ready backup who can step in and provide stability at a time when the starter is out, backup is out, the team doesn't want to roll with the entire AHL goalie tandem (neither of whom seem ready), and the team is in a playoff spot early on. This is precisely what I want them to use 5th on. I mean, a stable presence at a time like this is almost invaluable. Rather than let the AHL team rot under Greenham and whoever they sign in a hurry, PD made a smart move. This will provide Anderson some assurances so that he can be where he's most needed and it doesn't take a chainsaw to every level of goaltending in the Sens system. And no, I don't think Condon is a world beater, but at league minimum salary he's really the only available option for a budget team like this. Pavelec and Fleury are way too expensive, have term, would create havoc with the budget, and would be MUCH more expensive to get. And then we'd probably end up losing one for nothing in the draft.

    So, in short, getting a stable presence is much more valuable than a pick that has about a 15% shot of making the league 5 years down the road. He's the stablest presence available at those dollars.
    Sucks that this is a factor. Besides, I'm not sure those two are the only available options.
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    Re: Ottawa acquires Mike Condon for a 5th

    Post by spader on Thu Nov 03, 2016 5:52 pm

    Flo The Action wrote:
    spader wrote:
    Flo The Action wrote:
    MarkStone wrote:
    Flo The Action wrote:Urghhhh. Smells of desperation. Every jabs fan is laughing their asses off. He's the rebound king.
    This ain't gonna end well.

    You can't be serious. they traded for a backup goalie to come in every now and then when needed.

    Are you serious? I can't believe you are.
    Because he's a crappy goalie and that 5th could be better utilized? I seriously wonder if driedger wouldn't be better suited. How is trading for a crappy back up a good idea?

    I honestly can't imagine a better utilization of a 5th rounder than to get an NHL ready backup who can step in and provide stability at a time when the starter is out, backup is out, the team doesn't want to roll with the entire AHL goalie tandem (neither of whom seem ready), and the team is in a playoff spot early on. This is precisely what I want them to use 5th on. I mean, a stable presence at a time like this is almost invaluable. Rather than let the AHL team rot under Greenham and whoever they sign in a hurry, PD made a smart move. This will provide Anderson some assurances so that he can be where he's most needed and it doesn't take a chainsaw to every level of goaltending in the Sens system. And no, I don't think Condon is a world beater, but at league minimum salary he's really the only available option for a budget team like this. Pavelec and Fleury are way too expensive, have term, would create havoc with the budget, and would be MUCH more expensive to get. And then we'd probably end up losing one for nothing in the draft.

    So, in short, getting a stable presence is much more valuable than a pick that has about a 15% shot of making the league 5 years down the road. He's the stablest presence available at those dollars.
    Sucks that this is a factor. Besides, I'm not sure those two are the only available options.

    I'm not sure who else might be available. Who else do you think could have been had? And what do you expect each would cost? My guess is that your problem isn't that they traded a 5th to fill a MASSIVE hole, but that they chose the wrong guy. Is that accurate?

    EDIT: Also, whether the budget is an issue or not, I hope you recognize that the cap space it would take to take on someone like the two guys I mentioned would be excessive. Honestly, I can't imagine a better (and quicker) solution to what could have been a massive problem. I for one think Dorion is the anti-Murray here. We all complained about how Murray never seemed to be willing to pull the trigger. I'm pleased that this GM isn't willing to wait, especially when it only costs a 5th to shore up a key position.
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    Re: Ottawa acquires Mike Condon for a 5th

    Post by Flo The Action on Thu Nov 03, 2016 7:10 pm

    spader wrote:
    Flo The Action wrote:
    spader wrote:
    Flo The Action wrote:
    MarkStone wrote:
    Flo The Action wrote:Urghhhh. Smells of desperation. Every jabs fan is laughing their asses off. He's the rebound king.
    This ain't gonna end well.

    You can't be serious. they traded for a backup goalie to come in every now and then when needed.

    Are you serious? I can't believe you are.
    Because he's a crappy goalie and that 5th could be better utilized? I seriously wonder if driedger wouldn't be better suited. How is trading for a crappy back up a good idea?

    I honestly can't imagine a better utilization of a 5th rounder than to get an NHL ready backup who can step in and provide stability at a time when the starter is out, backup is out, the team doesn't want to roll with the entire AHL goalie tandem (neither of whom seem ready), and the team is in a playoff spot early on. This is precisely what I want them to use 5th on. I mean, a stable presence at a time like this is almost invaluable. Rather than let the AHL team rot under Greenham and whoever they sign in a hurry, PD made a smart move. This will provide Anderson some assurances so that he can be where he's most needed and it doesn't take a chainsaw to every level of goaltending in the Sens system. And no, I don't think Condon is a world beater, but at league minimum salary he's really the only available option for a budget team like this. Pavelec and Fleury are way too expensive, have term, would create havoc with the budget, and would be MUCH more expensive to get. And then we'd probably end up losing one for nothing in the draft.

    So, in short, getting a stable presence is much more valuable than a pick that has about a 15% shot of making the league 5 years down the road. He's the stablest presence available at those dollars.
    Sucks that this is a factor. Besides, I'm not sure those two are the only available options.

    I'm not sure who else might be available. Who else do you think could have been had? And what do you expect each would cost? My guess is that your problem isn't that they traded a 5th to fill a MASSIVE hole, but that they chose the wrong guy. Is that accurate?

    EDIT: Also, whether the budget is an issue or not, I hope you recognize that the cap space it would take to take on someone like the two guys I mentioned would be excessive. Honestly, I can't imagine a better (and quicker) solution to what could have been a massive problem. I for one think Dorion is the anti-Murray here. We all complained about how Murray never seemed to be willing to pull the trigger. I'm pleased that this GM isn't willing to wait, especially when it only costs a 5th to shore up a key position.
    I definitely they took the wrong guy. I think the isles trying to get rid of halak could have been convinced to part ways with Greiss(cue ev complaining about the logic of that) or even Ryan miller in Vancouver I'm sure they would like to unload and even retain cash. Michael Neuvirth is said to be on the block for really cheap too and philly is dying to unload a contract and that to me is a better idea than this guy. Maybe I'll be proven wrong but this guy is said to be the rebound king.
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    Re: Ottawa acquires Mike Condon for a 5th

    Post by wprager on Thu Nov 03, 2016 7:16 pm

    Greenham had one game, a bad one. But his AHL stats from previous years aren't bad and bring better.


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    Re: Ottawa acquires Mike Condon for a 5th

    Post by tim1_2 on Thu Nov 03, 2016 7:35 pm

    All this talk of trying to trade for a better goalie is ridiculous. We just needed a plug for a few games, and we got that whole giving up pretty much nothing.
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    Re: Ottawa acquires Mike Condon for a 5th

    Post by wprager on Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:12 am

    All we need is an impenetrable shield to stop unwanted ah nevermind.


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    Re: Ottawa acquires Mike Condon for a 5th

    Post by Flo The Action on Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:22 am

    tim1_2 wrote:All this talk of trying to trade for a better goalie is ridiculous. We just needed a plug for a few games, and we got that whole giving up pretty much nothing.
    We have no idea how long Anderson will be gone for. Could be months.
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    Re: Ottawa acquires Mike Condon for a 5th

    Post by tim1_2 on Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:25 am

    Flo The Action wrote:
    tim1_2 wrote:All this talk of trying to trade for a better goalie is ridiculous. We just needed a plug for a few games, and we got that whole giving up pretty much nothing.
    We have no idea how long Anderson will be gone for. Could be months.

    Even if it is months, there was a zero percent chance we were going to bring in anyone expensive, or with term (or both). Hammond has proven before he can carry a load over an extended period of time, so bringing in a cheap backup option who can also perform decently is exactly what we needed and exactly what we did.
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    Re: Ottawa acquires Mike Condon for a 5th

    Post by Flo The Action on Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:15 pm

    tim1_2 wrote:
    Flo The Action wrote:
    tim1_2 wrote:All this talk of trying to trade for a better goalie is ridiculous. We just needed a plug for a few games, and we got that whole giving up pretty much nothing.
    We have no idea how long Anderson will be gone for. Could be months.

    Even if it is months, there was a zero percent chance we were going to bring in anyone expensive, or with term (or both). Hammond has proven before he can carry a load over an extended period of time, so bringing in a cheap backup option who can also perform decently is exactly what we needed and exactly what we did.
    Hammond had a half a season where he went hot. He's not proven anything since.
    He didn't show much last year and didn't start the year great either.
    He's a decent back-up. No more, no less.
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    Re: Ottawa acquires Mike Condon for a 5th

    Post by tim1_2 on Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:17 pm

    So who would you have traded for?
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    Re: Ottawa acquires Mike Condon for a 5th

    Post by wprager on Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:37 pm

    Hammond has had a string of injuries. Nickname should be changed to The Hamstringer.



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    Re: Ottawa acquires Mike Condon for a 5th

    Post by wprager on Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:43 pm

    Hard to establish what he could have done last year for example. He's injured in camp so first game in he's quite rusty. He plays well after that but gets hit in the head with a puck a few times (including practice) and has a concussion.


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