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    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:43 pm

    tim1_2 wrote:Who says we need a RW?  It's LW that is more of a priority.

    Well...I guess it's open for debate.  We have Bobby and Stone as the top two RW, and then Hoff, Smith, and Dzingel that can play LW....

    IMO we need both. Top six LW is a must. But I have a feeling White plays at by the end of the year, so we likely need a top six LW and will gamble on White. Though Vrbata would be a nice fit. And I think they take a shot on Duclair who is now in the minors...

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    Post by PTFlea on Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:15 pm

    Rw depth is: stone, Ryan and Pyatt,  that's where we need help.  As opposed to Hoffman,  Smith and dzingel down the left.  Clear to see we need a rw

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    Post by wprager on Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:21 pm

    PTFlea wrote:Rw depth is: stone, Ryan and Pyatt,  that's where we need help.  As opposed to Hoffman,  Smith and dzingel down the left.  Clear to see we need a rw

    Stone,  Ryan,  Pyatt is what we have on the roster now,  but as had been mentioned,  we've got White in the wings (pun not intended),  as well as Lazar. We're talking about a 3rd line winger who can fill in for an injury. Swiss league is probably crawling with them.

    On the left side we have Hoffman and Smith. Hoffman is probably a very good 2nd line winger and PP specialist. Smith is a very good 3rd line winger and PK specialist. He is fine to fill in on the 2nd line for an injury,  but really should not be there full-time.  Since Hoffmam is playing on the third line now we actually have Smith and Dzingel as the top six left wingers. Dzingel should definitely not be in the top six.

    So the need is greater on the left. And,  yes,  we've done pretty well with a couple third liners playing top six and a third one playing like a third liner despite his salary.


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    Post by PTFlea on Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:29 pm

    wprager wrote:
    PTFlea wrote:Rw depth is: stone, Ryan and Pyatt,  that's where we need help.  As opposed to Hoffman,  Smith and dzingel down the left.  Clear to see we need a rw

    Stone,  Ryan,  Part is what we have on the roster now,  but as had been mentioned,  we've got White in the wings (pun not intended),  as well as Lazar. We're talking about a 3rd line winger who can fill in for an injury. Swiss league is probably crawling with them.

    On the left side we have Hoffman and Smith. Hoffman is probably a very good 2nd line winger and PP specialist. Smith is a very good 3rd line winger and PK specialist. He is fine to fill in on the 2nd line for an injury,  but tally should not be there full-time.  Since Hoffmam is playing on the third line now we actually have Smith and Dzingel as the top six left wingers. Dzing should definitely not be in the top six.

    So the need is greater on the left. And,  yes,  we've done pretty well with a couple third liners playing top six and a third one playing like a third liner despite his salary.

    In no league anywhere is Mike Hoffman a 2nd liner. He's a top line winger in the best league in the world and he'll push for 30 goals this year. Smith and Dzingel are probably 2 very strong 3rd liners that can be moved up to the 2nd line in a pinch, so you have the two of those guys jockeying for position.

    Meanwhile...as much as I love Pyatt, he can move down the lineup no problems and fill in for the 3rd line and up in a pinch, but having someone on the third line RW to go with Dzingel/Smith and Pageau would start to make this team look pretty complete IMO.
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    Post by wprager on Mon Jan 23, 2017 5:25 pm

    Right now he is playing on the third line with Pageau and Pyatt plus first unit PP. When I say second line, I mean a very good one on a contending team. So not to 30 in the league by position, but more like top 10.

    Actually I just read a pre-season ranking that had him at 11. So he is not far off. But right now he is thriving on the third line, playing against weaker competition. Is he strong enough to go up against the best?


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    Post by wprager on Mon Jan 23, 2017 5:30 pm

    But in any case, my argument was not whether Hoffman is a top line winger or second, but whether the need is greater on the left or the right.

    I think Stone/Ryan/White/Pyatt on the right is deeper than Hoffman/Smith/Dzingel/Kelly on the left.


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    Post by Flo The Action on Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:51 pm

    Yeah PTF, I think many here have the expectations that white will be coming here to fill that third line RW position. Right or wrong we will see. It may be demanding to ask a guy to come play his first NHL games on the 3rd line and expect him to produce. We'll see. I heard Vrbata also and I think he plays both wings no?
    Dzingel can play both wings no?
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    Post by PTFlea on Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:02 pm

    Flo The Action wrote:Yeah PTF, I think many here have the expectations that white will be coming here to fill that third line RW position. Right or wrong we will see. It may be demanding to ask a guy to come play his first NHL games on the 3rd line and expect him to produce. We'll see. I heard Vrbata also and I think he plays both wings no?
    Dzingel can play both wings no?

    I think White's trajectory will be about 25 points in year one, then around 35 points in year two, then we'll start to see the real prospect developing. In that case, why not play him a year in the AHL first, or two even?

    I doubt we can get Vrbata, the time to take a chance on some of these guys was in the off-season, but if we can snare him at a lowish cost, that'll look fantastic IMO.
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    Post by Flo The Action on Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:32 pm

    PTFlea wrote:
    Flo The Action wrote:Yeah PTF, I think many here have the expectations that white will be coming here to fill that third line RW position. Right or wrong we will see. It may be demanding to ask a guy to come play his first NHL games on the 3rd line and expect him to produce. We'll see. I heard Vrbata also and I think he plays both wings no?
    Dzingel can play both wings no?

    I think White's trajectory will be about 25 points in year one, then around 35 points in year two, then we'll start to see the real prospect developing.  In that case, why not play him a year in the AHL first, or two even?  

    I doubt we can get Vrbata, the time to take a chance on some of these guys was in the off-season, but if we can snare him at a lowish cost, that'll look fantastic IMO.

    I agree. I think white should start in the NHL next season. But I think the org is planning on having him play some games in Ottawa towards the end of the season. Probably a good gauge of where he's at too.
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    Post by wprager on Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:38 pm

    Say what you will about Pierre,  but he is well connected and knows a ton about hockey,  a hell of a lot more than any of us,  here. He also knows about top prospects, especially the ones coming out of the NCAA. Last off season he said he would be shocked of White would not be NHL-ready this season. He was very careful not to say he would play in the NHL, but just that he would be ready. Here we are 5-6 months later and White led Team USA to Gold over Canada. Suffice it to say that Pierre would be even more shocked now.

    If White signs the roster spot will be his to lose.


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