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    Re: Ottawa Senators Trade Deadline Edition

    Post by SeawaySensFan on Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:10 pm

    Might as well lock this thread now. Snore-ion going on about "depth" and not wanting to give up anything to help the team. Maybe next year...

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    Post by tim1_2 on Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:11 pm

    I think Snoreion is just selling that image in hopes that asking prices will come down. We know he's not afraid of making trades...we just need the market to break a bit here. No one else has made trades either. C'mon Snoreion!

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    Re: Ottawa Senators Trade Deadline Edition

    Post by Flo The Action on Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:16 pm

    tim1_2 wrote:I think Snoreion is just selling that image in hopes that asking prices will come down. We know he's not afraid of making trades...we just need the market to break a bit here. No one else has made trades either. C'mon Snoreion!

    Yeah that's my take on it as well, trying not to show his hand.

    Although I'd be very surprised if Chabot is traded. White a little less but still. I just hope if he makes a significant trade it's for a top 6 LW. I could see us trading for vrbata but I'd rather not give up a Perron in exchange. Maybe so low picks with an average prospect.
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    Re: Ottawa Senators Trade Deadline Edition

    Post by wprager on Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:16 pm

    There is no way, no how, not a chance that Chabot is traded. And given our RW depth (or lack thereof) I'd be really careful about trading White. As much as I liked Logan Brown, I'd move him first.


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    Re: Ottawa Senators Trade Deadline Edition

    Post by Flo The Action on Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:39 pm

    wprager wrote:There is no way, no how, not a chance that Chabot is traded. And given our RW depth (or lack thereof) I'd be really careful about trading White. As much as I liked Logan Brown, I'd move him first.
    Yeah me too. Too bad brown couldn't play at the wj. Could have raised his stock.
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    Re: Ottawa Senators Trade Deadline Edition

    Post by SeawaySensFan on Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:14 pm

    Flo The Action wrote:
    wprager wrote:There is no way, no how, not a chance that Chabot is traded. And given our RW depth (or lack thereof) I'd be really careful about trading White. As much as I liked Logan Brown, I'd move him first.
    Yeah me too. Too bad brown couldn't play at the wj. Could have raised his stock.

    Like this guy?

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    Re: Ottawa Senators Trade Deadline Edition

    Post by spader on Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:41 am

    wprager wrote:There is no way, no how, not a chance that Chabot is traded. And given our RW depth (or lack thereof) I'd be really careful about trading White. As much as I liked Logan Brown, I'd move him first.

    Don't go guaranteeing things or we'll end up trading Chabot for Briere. Sarcasm
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    Re: Ottawa Senators Trade Deadline Edition

    Post by tim1_2 on Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:24 am

    I think I agree that we won't see Chabot traded. Keeping Chabot, and assuming he becomes an NHLer in a year or two, allows us to deal Ceci (RFA) or Wideman (UFA) before the end of the 18/19 season. Ceci would have more trade value at that point given his RFA status, so maybe this is all Dorion's master plan.
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    Re: Ottawa Senators Trade Deadline Edition

    Post by wprager on Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:51 am

    Pierre was asked, point blank, if he would trade Chabot or White for Duchene yesterday and he was pretty clear saying no. He actually went about it by asking if they felt that Duchene would make the Sens a legitimate Cup contender. Again, no.

    Today he was asked again about White and he said his upside is better than Duchene. He clearly loves this kid as much as he loved Sid.


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    Re: Ottawa Senators Trade Deadline Edition

    Post by Flo The Action on Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:35 pm

    wprager wrote:Pierre was asked, point blank, if he would trade Chabot or White for Duchene yesterday and he was pretty clear saying no. He actually went about it by asking if they felt that Duchene would make the Sens a legitimate Cup contender. Again, no.

    Today he was asked again about White and he said his upside is better than Duchene. He clearly loves this kid as much as he loved Sid.

    Ish.... his upside better than duchene? I don't know about higher. I think best case scenario he's the same type of point producer but likely not a 30 goal scorer. I'd say he'll be a very reliable two way forward that will get 20 to 25 goals a year at best.

    Thenthing you have to love about white is where he pans to play for the sens on the right side and we really need someone to play in the top 6 RW soon.

    I'd be upset also if we dealt chabot.
    I wouldn't mind waiting a year or two getting these guys into the line-up and holding out on major trades instead of trading them but it's karlsson I'm worried about. Somehow we have to show him that we're serious about winning it now.

    If Ryan magically comes off the books we should invest in a quality wingervia FA. It's time IMO.
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    Re: Ottawa Senators Trade Deadline Edition

    Post by spader on Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:43 pm

    Flo The Action wrote:
    wprager wrote:Pierre was asked, point blank, if he would trade Chabot or White for Duchene yesterday and he was pretty clear saying no. He actually went about it by asking if they felt that Duchene would make the Sens a legitimate Cup contender. Again, no.

    Today he was asked again about White and he said his upside is better than Duchene. He clearly loves this kid as much as he loved Sid.

    Ish.... his upside better than duchene? I don't know about higher. I think best case scenario he's the same type of point producer but likely not a 30 goal scorer. I'd say he'll be a very reliable two way forward that will get 20 to 25 goals a year at best.

    Thenthing you have to love about white is where he pans to play for the sens on the right side and we really need someone to play in the top 6 RW soon.

    I'd be upset also if we dealt chabot.
    I wouldn't mind waiting a year or two getting these guys into the line-up and holding out on major trades instead of trading them but it's karlsson I'm worried about. Somehow we have to show him that we're serious about winning it now.

    If Ryan magically comes off the books we should invest in a quality wingervia FA. It's time IMO.

    Can I ask what you're basing that on? The org has professionals watching and evaluating the players. Have you seen him play much? I'm just confused what info you have that would contradict theirs?
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    Re: Ottawa Senators Trade Deadline Edition

    Post by Oglethorpe on Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:47 pm

    With the numbers Chlapik is putting up in the Q and at the WJC, perhaps someone who hasn't done proper scouting might consider him a top prospect. To me he is unlikely to ever become a top 9 forward on a good team.
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    Re: Ottawa Senators Trade Deadline Edition

    Post by Oglethorpe on Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:00 pm

    Flo The Action wrote:
    wprager wrote:Pierre was asked, point blank, if he would trade Chabot or White for Duchene yesterday and he was pretty clear saying no. He actually went about it by asking if they felt that Duchene would make the Sens a legitimate Cup contender. Again, no.

    Today he was asked again about White and he said his upside is better than Duchene. He clearly loves this kid as much as he loved Sid.

    Ish.... his upside better than duchene? I don't know about higher. I think best case scenario he's the same type of point producer but likely not a 30 goal scorer. I'd say he'll be a very reliable two way forward that will get 20 to 25 goals a year at best.

    Thenthing you have to love about white is where he pans to play for the sens on the right side and we really need someone to play in the top 6 RW soon.

    I'd be upset also if we dealt chabot.
    I wouldn't mind waiting a year or two getting these guys into the line-up and holding out on major trades instead of trading them but it's karlsson I'm worried about. Somehow we have to show him that we're serious about winning it now.

    If Ryan magically comes off the books we should invest in a quality wingervia FA. It's time IMO.
    If Karlsson doesn't resign in July 2018, we could move him for a crap load. Think Top 6 forward, top 4 D, A plus prospect and 1st rounder
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    Re: Ottawa Senators Trade Deadline Edition

    Post by wprager on Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:29 pm

    Oglethorpe wrote:With the numbers Chlapik is putting up in the Q and at the WJC, perhaps someone who hasn't done proper scouting might consider him a top prospect. To me he is unlikely to ever become a top 9 forward on a good team.

    He doesn't just lead his team in every offensive category, he also leads in PIMs. Have the Sens ever had a top-six player who was hard to play against? As Grats recently said, they were "softer than puppy sh*t" -- and I don't think they have gotten much tougher since he left.

    So for that reason I think Chlapik could be a real important player for Ottawa. Now, will he be able to port his game to the pros and, eventually, NHL? Time will tell.


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    Re: Ottawa Senators Trade Deadline Edition

    Post by wprager on Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:32 pm

    As for Duchene vs. White I don't think Pierre was talking exclusively about offensive production.

    I have my doubts. #27 has really soured me on prospects who are seen as can't miss. Lazar should have been sent back to junior after his 9 games. Maybe even sooner. Would that have made a difference? Impossible to tell. But I just hope that they don't repeat the same problem with White/Chabot/etc. With White at least he can go to Belleville.


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    Re: Ottawa Senators Trade Deadline Edition

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    wprager wrote:
    Oglethorpe wrote:With the numbers Chlapik is putting up in the Q and at the WJC, perhaps someone who hasn't done proper scouting might consider him a top prospect. To me he is unlikely to ever become a top 9 forward on a good team.

    He doesn't just lead his team in every offensive category, he also leads in PIMs. Have the Sens ever had a top-six player who was hard to play against? As Grats recently said, they were "softer than puppy sh*t" -- and I don't think they have gotten much tougher since he left.

    So for that reason I think Chlapik could be a real important player for Ottawa. Now, will he be able to port his game to the pros and, eventually, NHL? Time will tell.

    Chlapstik is a player who's talked about doing whatever it takes to get better and so far he's backing it up. His drive to succeed will be his eventual ticket to an everyday NHL spot.
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    Post by PTFlea on Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:52 pm

    wprager wrote:
    Oglethorpe wrote:With the numbers Chlapik is putting up in the Q and at the WJC, perhaps someone who hasn't done proper scouting might consider him a top prospect. To me he is unlikely to ever become a top 9 forward on a good team.

    He doesn't just lead his team in every offensive category, he also leads in PIMs. Have the Sens ever had a top-six player who was hard to play against? As Grats recently said, they were "softer than puppy sh*t" -- and I don't think they have gotten much tougher since he left.

    So for that reason I think Chlapik could be a real important player for Ottawa. Now, will he be able to port his game to the pros and, eventually, NHL? Time will tell.

    I have to agree. Based on what people have said who have watched him, he took what Ottawa management told him to heart and worked hard to be the player he is now - one that's dominating the Q.

    I think the kid - if he continues working - has as real a shot as any player drafted in the 2nd on at making the team (1st rounders always get the upper hand in making the team, at least here).
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    Re: Ottawa Senators Trade Deadline Edition

    Post by Oglethorpe on Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:22 pm

    I watched Chlapik play 4 games at the WJC, never seen him in the Q. Not overly impressed that he will translate to a faster pace. For that matter, I am not overly convinced White (again I've only seen him at the WJCs and 1 NCAA game) will be a top 6 forward at the NHL level, nor Brown. Chabot, I don't have any doubts that he will be Phil Freakin' Housley, hopefully a little better defensively.

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