ECFGDT#6: Pens @ Sens, May 23, 8:00 pm

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    Re: ECFGDT#6: Pens @ Sens, May 23, 8:00 pm

    Post by PTFlea on Wed May 24, 2017 12:18 am

    Flo The Action wrote:
    PTFlea wrote:Fans not selling out should be ashamed
    Yeah. That's a pity but by how much. Are we talking a hundred seats? Cuz there's smaller arenas out there. But yeah, not optimal. But whatever. I don't think if the numbers are that great that it should be a huge point.
    Not sure, a thousand or more I think.

    So many shots for Pittsburgh such puck movement. Scared and excited for Thursday.

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    Re: ECFGDT#6: Pens @ Sens, May 23, 8:00 pm

    Post by Flo The Action on Wed May 24, 2017 12:24 am

    PTFlea wrote:
    Flo The Action wrote:
    PTFlea wrote:Fans not selling out should be ashamed
    Yeah. That's a pity but by how much. Are we talking a hundred seats? Cuz there's smaller arenas out there. But yeah, not optimal. But whatever. I don't think if the numbers are that great that it should be a huge point.
    Not sure, a thousand or more I think.

    So many shots for Pittsburgh such puck movement. Scared and excited for Thursday.
    WS there? Cuz earlier when people were posting on this site there was 400-500 left on ticket master.

    I don't care how we win on Thursday. Just. Win.

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    Re: ECFGDT#6: Pens @ Sens, May 23, 8:00 pm

    Post by PTFlea on Wed May 24, 2017 12:26 am

    Claesson's legit too. What a nice #5 he's gonna be for a while.
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    Re: ECFGDT#6: Pens @ Sens, May 23, 8:00 pm

    Post by spader on Wed May 24, 2017 12:28 am

    He said 1700 available this morning (I think). Either way, I heard an interesting argument saying that the flood would have had a measurable impact. It obviously doesn't explain the entire situation, but it might be a factor.
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    Re: ECFGDT#6: Pens @ Sens, May 23, 8:00 pm

    Post by spader on Wed May 24, 2017 12:32 am

    PTFlea wrote:Claesson's legit too. What a nice #5 he's gonna be for a while.

    He's gonna be a good defender for sure. I think he has potential to be a serious asset. Every team needs a good #5.
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    Re: ECFGDT#6: Pens @ Sens, May 23, 8:00 pm

    Post by tim1_2 on Wed May 24, 2017 1:38 am

    Well that was delightful. Anderson was fantastic. Gotta find a way to carry a bit more of the play on Thursday.
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    Re: ECFGDT#6: Pens @ Sens, May 23, 8:00 pm

    Post by Flo The Action on Wed May 24, 2017 2:04 am

    I was at habs bar and everyone was cheering for the sens. That doesn't happen everyday. scratch
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    Re: ECFGDT#6: Pens @ Sens, May 23, 8:00 pm

    Post by wprager on Wed May 24, 2017 6:18 am

    You should tweet at @AndrewBerkshire about the bar. Give him something else to complain about beside the Subban trade.


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    Re: ECFGDT#6: Pens @ Sens, May 23, 8:00 pm

    Post by wprager on Wed May 24, 2017 6:26 am

    The paid attendance was 18,111. A sellout is 18,572. So 461 short.


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    Re: ECFGDT#6: Pens @ Sens, May 23, 8:00 pm

    Post by tim1_2 on Wed May 24, 2017 8:23 am

    Flo The Action wrote:I was at habs bar and everyone was cheering for the sens. That doesn't happen everyday. scratch

    TELL THEM THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED
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    Re: ECFGDT#6: Pens @ Sens, May 23, 8:00 pm

    Post by wprager on Wed May 24, 2017 9:01 am

    tim1_2 wrote:
    Flo The Action wrote:I was at habs bar and everyone was cheering for the sens. That doesn't happen everyday. scratch

    TELL THEM THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED

    Just charge them a tax. Like they have to but you a drink.


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    Re: ECFGDT#6: Pens @ Sens, May 23, 8:00 pm

    Post by PTFlea on Wed May 24, 2017 9:12 am

    I don't want to be a wet blanket, but I don't think we win game 7 if we allow them that much zone time and shots.

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    Re: ECFGDT#6: Pens @ Sens, May 23, 8:00 pm

    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Wed May 24, 2017 9:31 am

    wprager wrote:The paid attendance was 18,111. A sellout is 18,572. So 461 short.

    I tried to do the math with a friend the other day. We ball-parked:

    - 1 million people in the greater Ottawa area
    - Of those 1 million people, 50% are hockey fans and can afford to buy tickets. 500,000
    - Of those 500,000, 25% live in areas around the city that make it too much of a pain to go to the game (Almonte, Orleans, Gatineau, Riverside South, etc). 375,000 remaining
    - 50% of the 375,000 support the Leafs or Habs and would not buy tickets. 187,500 fans that would buy tickets in the city.

    You then look at the stats about workforce diversity and determine:
    - 50% of the city works for the government; many of which have/had Phoenix pay issues
    - 25% of the workforce works for companies that support the government. They cannot buy corporate tickets and take their largest client to games.
    - 25% of the workforce is non-government related; some in the service industry (retail for example) or other (tech, grocery stores - varies considerably)
    - Students and many young professionals (assuming they are Sens fans) can't afford a $200 hockey ticket (plus beers). They go to Elgin Street or other bars which have all been jam packed.
    - Many people also own 60+ inch TV's and prefer watching on their couch where they don't need to pay for parking, wait in lines for a washroom, pay $10 for a beer, etc. (my preference)

    Out of my 10 core group of friends who grew up in Ottawa as Sens fans, 8 live in Toronto now and are not coming back. They have been back on weekends to go to games but not during the week.

    So really the demographic in this city is misleading. While we have a large population, our fan-base is segmented to (by my estimates) 15-20% of the population who are willing to buy tickets. My office for example: I am the only one in my office who has been to a game. 1 out of 20 people (5%) of whom make $60K or more.

    It is the same 150K-200K that are buying tickets. Many of those people will go to a game or 2 and that's it. At a 19K capacity, it's a huge financial burden to attend 9 home games x $150 per ticket = $1,350 plus concessions and parking.

    Yes, the math is probably wrong but the logic is there. There is a lot of fan support for the Sens in Ottawa and around the country but the demographic does not support the market. I don't think moving to Lebreton will make much of a difference either. The Sens have to understand their market better, make games more affordable, find a way to attract part-time fans to games, and get full-time fans off their couches and to a game. I'm an example of this. I watch every game and probably went to 3 regular season games this year and 2 playoff games. They need to find a way to get people like me there.
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    Re: ECFGDT#6: Pens @ Sens, May 23, 8:00 pm

    Post by tim1_2 on Wed May 24, 2017 9:41 am

    There's a lot of reasons why Sens tickets don't sell well. It's going to be an issue until the team moves downtown. There's no magic "marketing" answer to the problem.

    Can we PLEASE stop talking about it?

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    Re: ECFGDT#6: Pens @ Sens, May 23, 8:00 pm

    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Wed May 24, 2017 9:43 am

    We've been talking about it for years on this forum. There are definitely answers to it.
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    Re: ECFGDT#6: Pens @ Sens, May 23, 8:00 pm

    Post by tim1_2 on Wed May 24, 2017 9:47 am

    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:We've been talking about it for years on this forum. There are definitely answers to it.

    I think it'd be great to have a separate thread for the whole discussion. We're a win away from the Stanley Cup Final, facing the biggest game in 10 years, and we're talking about attendance...AGAIN.
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    Re: ECFGDT#6: Pens @ Sens, May 23, 8:00 pm

    Post by tim1_2 on Wed May 24, 2017 10:01 am

    Does White play in game 7? He played 2:40 in this game and Boucher won't be able to control the matchups in Pittsburgh.

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    Re: ECFGDT#6: Pens @ Sens, May 23, 8:00 pm

    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Wed May 24, 2017 10:13 am

    I think they put in Kelly. Will help with the PK.

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