2017 Sens Off-Season

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    Re: 2017 Sens Off-Season

    Post by PTFlea on Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:37 pm

    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Needless to say I do not expect a very busy off-season:
    - Pre-expansion draft Ceci trade (package for a top-six forward)
    - Smith being taken in expansion draft (if Ryan is protected)
    - Claesson trade (if Chabot is ready)

    I do think Vegas takes Ryan if the Sens leave him unprotected.

    I would NOT trade Claesson, no way, no how. He's fantastic as a number 5 guy who might be able to move up and play in the top 4 next season and beyond. He and Harper are 2 cheap, effective players - not for sale!

    tim1_2 wrote:Someone on Twitter was going on about how the Sens should take a run at Tavares...which is a nice thought, but I can't imagine what the trade package would have to look like for him. Duchene is a more realistic target, but I'm not sure Dorion will want to give up the prospects for him either....I'm pretty sure Dorion is already on record saying he's not mortgaging the future this summer.

    Dorion might say that, but he knows we're close. Going out to get Duchene would put us in the mix of contender status - especially with a veteran righty coming in too.

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    Re: 2017 Sens Off-Season

    Post by Ev on Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:46 pm

    Duchene is overrated. Tavares only has one more year so he wouldn't cost that much IMO.

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    Re: 2017 Sens Off-Season

    Post by tim1_2 on Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:50 pm

    I assume any deal for Tavares would also be contingent on him signing with his new team.
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    Re: 2017 Sens Off-Season

    Post by PTFlea on Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:00 pm

    Ev wrote:Duchene is overrated. Tavares only has one more year so he wouldn't cost that much IMO.

    Oh, I think he will...
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    Re: 2017 Sens Off-Season

    Post by Flo The Action on Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:05 pm

    Personally I don't think duchene should cost us more than ceci plus our 1st. And at that price you add a guy like Perron and go get Drouin.
    All these reported prices are overinfl, when was the last time such expensive deals happened with players that had been underperforming ? It's always lower than we anticipated.

    I'm looking forward to seeing who gets protected. Is it blasphemy to wanting smith picked up over claesson? After these playoffs, Claesson has potential top 4 written all over him. That's why vegas might actually select him over whoever we leave unprotected. Of course it all depends what else is out there and what type of deals other clubs have made.

    But yeah, original point. Let's go after an underperforming star winger, but it shouldn't cost us white or chabot. Possibly Brown, depending on what the deal looks like. His stock must have gone up after the memorial
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    Re: 2017 Sens Off-Season

    Post by Flo The Action on Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:06 pm

    PTFlea wrote:
    Ev wrote:Duchene is overrated. Tavares only has one more year so he wouldn't cost that much IMO.

    Oh, I think he will...
    Agreed. That would cost 3-4 significant pieces
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    Re: 2017 Sens Off-Season

    Post by Ev on Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:14 pm

    One year of Tavares would get what Kovalchuk got, maybe a little more. I don't think he would have to be extended to be traded .

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    Re: 2017 Sens Off-Season

    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:36 pm

    Agreed, but you need to consider positional depth right now. We have 7 d-men signed for next season, 9 if you include Harpur and Chabot - both of which are going to play in the NHL at some point.

    LD: Methot, Phaneuf, Boro, Claesson, Chabot
    RD: Karlsson, Ceci, Wideman, Harpur

    Jaros and Englund will also have huge roles in Bingo next year and may get a call-up towards the end of the season pending injuries. Both will play in the NHL as well, but probably not for another 3-4 years. So yeah, I think Claesson is expendable when he can be replaced with Chabot...
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    Re: 2017 Sens Off-Season

    Post by Flo The Action on Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:41 pm

    Ev wrote:One year of Tavares would get what Kovalchuk got, maybe a little more. I don't think he would have to be extended to be traded .
    Im not sure many trade for Tavares without an extention attached to him.
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    Re: 2017 Sens Off-Season

    Post by Flo The Action on Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:47 pm

    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Agreed, but you need to consider positional depth right now. We have 7 d-men signed for next season, 9 if you include Harpur and Chabot - both of which are going to play in the NHL at some point.

    LD: Methot, Phaneuf, Boro, Claesson, Chabot
    RD: Karlsson, Ceci, Wideman, Harpur

    Jaros and Englund will also have huge roles in Bingo next year and may get a call-up towards the end of the season pending injuries. Both will play in the NHL as well, but probably not for another 3-4 years. So yeah, I think Claesson is expendable when he can be replaced with Chabot...

    Whatever way we look at it we are likely loosing a Dman this offseason. The question is which one and how.
    Depending on what Phaneuf decides to do with his NTC we likely have to decide if we want to lose methot or Ceci. If not you have to trade one of them and then roll the dice on what Vegas plans to do.

    Claesson is a very good possibility in terms of pick ups and then you like have lost two Dman in that scenario (and gained a top 6). So you are likely going to need that depth right there.

    I wouldn't mind Harpur starting the year in bellvo (urgh Facepalm , I don't like the sound of it prags) to have him take what he learned in Ottawa and apply it in the A and be a force. Could help him become a top 4 someday.
    We could also go after a vet D man in FA.

    Time will tell, but it's exciting!
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    Re: 2017 Sens Off-Season

    Post by wprager on Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:31 pm

    Bellvo is not mine. Someone suggested it on twitter and I liked it.

    Bellvo.
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    Rolls very easily off the tongue.

    Harpur is a leftie.


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    Re: 2017 Sens Off-Season

    Post by spader on Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:50 am

    PTFlea wrote:
    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Needless to say I do not expect a very busy off-season:
    - Pre-expansion draft Ceci trade (package for a top-six forward)
    - Smith being taken in expansion draft (if Ryan is protected)
    - Claesson trade (if Chabot is ready)

    I do think Vegas takes Ryan if the Sens leave him unprotected.

    I would NOT trade Claesson, no way, no how. He's fantastic as a number 5 guy who might be able to move up and play in the top 4 next season and beyond. He and Harper are 2 cheap, effective players - not for sale!

    tim1_2 wrote:Someone on Twitter was going on about how the Sens should take a run at Tavares...which is a nice thought, but I can't imagine what the trade package would have to look like for him. Duchene is a more realistic target, but I'm not sure Dorion will want to give up the prospects for him either....I'm pretty sure Dorion is already on record saying he's not mortgaging the future this summer.

    Dorion might say that, but he knows we're close. Going out to get Duchene would put us in the mix of contender status - especially with a veteran righty coming in too.

    Untouchable? Unlike poor, poor Stone.
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    Re: 2017 Sens Off-Season

    Post by wprager on Wed Jun 07, 2017 6:29 am

    We are not getting Duchene, and in fine with that. He is small and has played a lot of games, taking a lot of abuse. His numbers will never get back to where he was earlier. And we need to get bigger down the middle.


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    Re: 2017 Sens Off-Season

    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:33 am

    wprager wrote:Bellvo is not mine. Someone suggested it on twitter and I liked it.

    Bellvo.
    Bellvo.
    Bellvo.

    Rolls very easily off the tongue.

    Harpur is a leftie.

    All the more reason why someone on the left has to go to make room for Chabot

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    Re: 2017 Sens Off-Season

    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:44 am

    I think we're all underestimating the impact that someone like Chabot can bring to the team, and how good he is.

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    Even if he plays managed minutes as a third pairing d-man, he's a huge asset to have on the powerplay. I can't say the same for Claesson. Don't get me wrong, I like Claesson a lot but I think Chabot will have more of an impact than him.

    If there is a way you fit both then sure. Phaneuf can play on his off-side.. But we still have too many d-men on the left, and there is no way Chabot spends the whole year in Bingo so room needs to be made.

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    Re: 2017 Sens Off-Season

    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:19 am

    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:I think we're all underestimating the impact that someone like Chabot can bring to the team, and how good he is.

    2015 - CHL/NHL Top Prospects Game 2015
    2016 - Second All-Star Team
    2017 - First All-Star Team
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    2017 - Paul Dumont Trophy (QMJHL Personality of the Year)
    2017 - Guy Lafleur Trophy (MVP - QMJHL Playoffs)
    2017 - World Junior MVP
    2017 - World Junior Best Defenceman
    2017 - World Junior All Star Team

    Even if he plays managed minutes as a third pairing d-man, he's a huge asset to have on the powerplay. I can't say the same for Claesson. Don't get me wrong, I like Claesson a lot but I think Chabot will have more of an impact than him.

    If there is a way you fit both then sure. Phaneuf can play on his off-side.. But we still have too many d-men on the left, and there is no way Chabot spends the whole year in Bingo so room needs to be made.

    All this to say, we are more than fine without Ceci...
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    Re: 2017 Sens Off-Season

    Post by tim1_2 on Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:49 am

    We could lose one of any of our defencemen not named Karlsson and be fine.
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    Re: 2017 Sens Off-Season

    Post by Flo The Action on Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:14 pm

    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:I think we're all underestimating the impact that someone like Chabot can bring to the team, and how good he is.

    2015 - CHL/NHL Top Prospects Game 2015
    2016 - Second All-Star Team
    2017 - First All-Star Team
    2017 - Emile Bouchard Trophy (QMJHL Defenceman of the Year)
    2017 - Paul Dumont Trophy (QMJHL Personality of the Year)
    2017 - Guy Lafleur Trophy (MVP - QMJHL Playoffs)
    2017 - World Junior MVP
    2017 - World Junior Best Defenceman
    2017 - World Junior All Star Team

    Even if he plays managed minutes as a third pairing d-man, he's a huge asset to have on the powerplay. I can't say the same for Claesson. Don't get me wrong, I like Claesson a lot but I think Chabot will have more of an impact than him.

    If there is a way you fit both then sure. Phaneuf can play on his off-side.. But we still have too many d-men on the left, and there is no way Chabot spends the whole year in Bingo so room needs to be made.

    All this to say, we are more than fine without Ceci...
    I still wouldn't hand him anything. I didn't watch any memorial games but I heard that people expected more from him than he delivered. Unless he is lights outheads above most, I'd start him in Belleville next year. MYbe play half. YeR before calling him up. It be good for Belleville, it be good for his development and it be good for all the other Dman that have made it this far. Even karlsson whent the AHL route.

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