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271 Re: 2017 Off-Season Around the NHL on Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:52 pm

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DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
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wprager wrote:I just don't see what Stalberg brings that is *that much* better then our own prospects that can be had for a lot less.  He is fast,  big,  and has experience.  We have enough players with experience,  now. A full three rounds of playoffs last year is just the most recent experience.

I'd much rather Colin White got the extra ice time.
I'd rather have both and have depth and rested players. Rather not be left scrambling mid-season wasting assets on a trade.

I'd rather not spend almost $2M on Nate Thompson

What do you know about Nate Thompson?

272 Re: 2017 Off-Season Around the NHL on Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:11 pm

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I know that he has 8 points over his last two NHL seasons and only played 30 games last year. He missed this time with a torn Achilles and a torn labrum in his shoulder.

I know we gave a 33 year old a two year deal with a NTC at probably two times what he's actually worth from a cap perspective - though he did make this much over the last couple of seasons.

I know he will be getting a lot of ice time that I think should be given to someone with more than a two year future with the team for developmental purposes.

What I didn't know is how big of a guy he is.

273 Re: 2017 Off-Season Around the NHL on Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:31 pm

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DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:I know that he has 8 points over his last two NHL seasons and only played 30 games last year. He missed this time with a torn Achilles and a torn labrum in his shoulder.

I know we gave a 33 year old a two year deal with a NTC at probably two times what he's actually worth from a cap perspective - though he did make this much over the last couple of seasons.

I know he will be getting a lot of ice time that I think should be given to someone with more than a two year future with the team for developmental purposes.

What I didn't know is how big of a guy he is.

A ferocious beast is what he's been described as. He'll play his arse off every shift, is a great PKer, leader, good to very good faceoff guy, amazing forechecker. He'll be big time missed in Anaheim - with a lot of their fans lamenting the fact that he's gone. Our PK sucked last year and as much as I enjoyed watching Chris Kelly...

I knew nothing about him and was upset we signed him, but I've since seen the light that comes from unjaded fans of teams he's played for.

274 Re: 2017 Off-Season Around the NHL on Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:39 pm

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Key free agent signings last 4 seasons:

- Nate Thompson
- Chris Kelly
- Tom Pyatt
- Scott Gomez
- David Legwand

That's what fans lament about.

275 Re: 2017 Off-Season Around the NHL on Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:56 pm

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DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Key free agent signings last 4 seasons:

- Nate Thompson
- Chris Kelly
- Tom Pyatt
- Scott Gomez
- David Legwand

That's what fans lament about.
And that's probably similar to 24 other teams.

276 Re: 2017 Off-Season Around the NHL on Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:13 pm

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DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Key free agent signings last 4 seasons:

- Nate Thompson
- Chris Kelly
- Tom Pyatt
- Scott Gomez
- David Legwand

That's what fans lament about.

The only issues I have from time to time is that we don't go after guys like Jokinen and/or Jagr. Obvious pieces this team could use - although they might laugh at signing with Ottawa, who knows.

Legwand was a big signing at the time - he just was done unfortunately.

Pyatt was amazing for us, just great.

I kinda wish we'd take a chance on Markov this year, but otherwise there are a ton of mistake contracts given out in July, as you know. So many that are Cussing terrible, buyout fodder.

277 Re: 2017 Off-Season Around the NHL on Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:14 pm

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Free agents don't sign here. Not really hard to understand.

278 Re: 2017 Off-Season Around the NHL on Sat Jul 08, 2017 2:09 pm

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PTFlea wrote:
DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Key free agent signings last 4 seasons:

- Nate Thompson
- Chris Kelly
- Tom Pyatt
- Scott Gomez
- David Legwand

That's what fans lament about.

The only issues I have from time to time is that we don't go after guys like Jokinen and/or Jagr.  Obvious pieces this team could use - although they might laugh at signing with Ottawa, who knows.

Legwand was a big signing at the time - he just was done unfortunately.

Pyatt was amazing for us, just great.

I kinda wish we'd take a chance on Markov this year, but otherwise there are a ton of mistake contracts given out in July, as you know.  So many that are Cussing terrible, buyout fodder.
Legrand was already on the outs when he signed here. I hardly qualify that as anything more than depth signing.
I think the last free agent of note we brought in was Gonchar. Was that something like 7-8 years ago?

There's something to be said about not being a prime destination for FA and that's an impairment but somehow you figure out how to make better trades then. They may cost you more in quantity than you'd rather give up but they are necessary.

279 Re: 2017 Off-Season Around the NHL on Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:01 pm

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Murray gave out too many NMCs.  Lots of teams do that, but it really hampered trading Heatly and Spezza.

280 Re: 2017 Off-Season Around the NHL on Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:14 pm

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Oglethorpe wrote:Murray gave out too many NMCs.  Lots of teams do that, but it really hampered trading Heatly and Spezza.

Heatley and Spezza are the type of guys that get NMCs.

281 Re: 2017 Off-Season Around the NHL on Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:44 pm

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Habs apparently offering Streit a 1-year $1.5M deal.


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282 Re: 2017 Off-Season Around the NHL on Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:19 am

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Man, has Markov not signed anywhere? I guess when you're that old and you're demanding $12M over two years, that's a big ask.

I also just realized Robin Lehner is a RFA with the Sabres. Those negotiations will be...interesting.

283 Re: 2017 Off-Season Around the NHL on Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:59 am

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Lehner may be the hardest RFA to sign. So much "potential" on a bad team, terrible attitude but so competitive, workhorse goalie who can't stop a breakaway, too old for a bridge deal but not the type of guy you want to commit as your starter long-term.

284 Re: 2017 Off-Season Around the NHL on Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:29 pm

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DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Lehner may be the hardest RFA to sign. So much "potential" on a bad  team, terrible attitude but so competitive, workhorse goalie who can't stop a breakaway, too old for a bridge deal but not the type of guy you want to commit as your starter long-term.  

Factor in some injury concerns, and I have no idea where it'll go.

285 Re: 2017 Off-Season Around the NHL on Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:39 pm

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His take-home salary was $3.15M last year. He won't take a reduction. 3 x $3.5M may be what he's worth. Bishop has a cap-hit of just under $5M per year with a front-loaded contract.

286 Re: 2017 Off-Season Around the NHL on Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:27 am

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tim1_2 wrote:Man, has Markov not signed anywhere?  I guess when you're that old and you're demanding $12M over two years, that's a big ask.  

I also just realized Robin Lehner is a RFA with the Sabres.  Those negotiations will be...interesting.

He might take less to play for someone like Pittsburgh, I want him here though

287 Re: 2017 Off-Season Around the NHL on Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:41 am

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PTFlea wrote:
tim1_2 wrote:Man, has Markov not signed anywhere?  I guess when you're that old and you're demanding $12M over two years, that's a big ask.  

I also just realized Robin Lehner is a RFA with the Sabres.  Those negotiations will be...interesting.

He might take less to play for someone like Pittsburgh, I want him here though

He's not coming here though I would welcome him back with open arms.

288 Re: 2017 Off-Season Around the NHL on Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:32 pm

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I don't have any interest in Lehner.

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